How can I get closer to Holy Mary in addition to praying

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Furthermore, if Jesus is the Messiah, and He is, that makes Him also the king of Israel, which also establishes the Blessed Virgin as His Queen Mother. A position of intercession to the king on behalf of His subjects and known in Hebrew as the Giberah. Do your own research and you’ll soon discover that the Queens of Israel were never the wives of the kings, but always the Queen Mother.

Mary began functioning in this capacity in John 2 when she interceded for the couple at the wedding feast at Cana and when she did, in fact, get Our Lord to begin His public ministry before He had planned to. (See John 2:4)

As for the woman in Revelation 12. You err here by forgetting/ignoring the fact that many passages in the Bible have multiple fulfillments.
Yes, Scott Hahn talks about the Queen Mother position in Hail Holy Queen, for ex. Solomon/Bathsheba. The Queen Mother was highly revered and the son of the Queen Mother would never refuse her request. I think many Protestants see Mary in a vacuum of time and fail to realize that she has been mentioned in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. There are many hidden truths/levels of truth but many refuse to open their mind to the possibility.
 
Yes, Scott Hahn talks about the Queen Mother position in Hail Holy Queen, for ex. Solomon/Bathsheba. The Queen Mother was highly revered and the son of the Queen Mother would never refuse her request. I think many Protestants see Mary in a vacuum of time and fail to realize that she has been mentioned in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. There are many hidden truths/levels of truth but many refuse to open their mind to the possibility.
Just keep in mind that Bathsheba’s 1st request was actually refused for good reason. See 1st Kings 2:12-25.

That, however, doesn’t bear on the Blessed Virgin, since she always asks out of compassion as we see in John 2.

👍 I agree with the rest of your post,
 
I also agree, that reading books on Mary, help,s you understand the LOVE that Mary has for us children of GOD,and how see wants us to change our lives,so that we will always be united with her son Jesus,Every time she has appeared, she tells us to pray the Rosary,for those that are weak ,and won,t change,to pray for the Soul,s in Purgatory and the dying,for Peace in the world.
 
I dreamed last night that I was praying the Office from the Little Office of the BVM (which I don’t own, by the way). Is that a message? :eek:
 
Actually, after digging deep into scripture I found the references to be quite strong. That’s why I reverted back to Catholicism.

Mary Ark of the Covenant

The woman in Revelation IS Mary and is also the woman in Genesis

Mary,Conceived without Sin.
I’ve read those arguments before, & their at best, not very good parallels, for numerous reasons. Just to give an example, comparing Mary to the ark, because they both traveled into Judah is false, because although Mark did indeed travel into Judah from Galilee, the ark was in a city already IN JUDAH, on the border of of Judah & Benjamin, then moved to another city IN JUDAH, then to it’s final resting place in Jerusalem IN JUDAH. Plus, unlike Mary, who left Judah to return to Galilee, the ark NEVER left Judah. There are other examples, but honestly, it’s just an attempt to ‘get around’ Mary’s declaration of her sinful nature ‘while’ she was pregnant with Jesus (Luke 1:46-47) & Paul’s declaration that Mary was sinful since her birth, since she was born ‘under the Law’ (Galatians 4:4-5),while Jesus was ‘born of a woman, born under the Law,’ but He was not ‘born under the Law Himself,’ but rather was a ‘fulfillment’ of the Law & the Prophets,’ fulfilling the Law perfectly, unlike His earthly & blessed, yet sinful, mother, who 'rejoiced in God her SAVIOR!"
 
I’ve read those arguments before, & their at best, not very good parallels, for numerous reasons. Just to give an example, comparing Mary to the ark, because they both traveled into Judah is false, because although Mark did indeed travel into Judah from Galilee, the ark was in a city already IN JUDAH, on the border of of Judah & Benjamin, then moved to another city IN JUDAH, then to it’s final resting place in Jerusalem IN JUDAH. Plus, unlike Mary, who left Judah to return to Galilee, the ark NEVER left Judah. There are other examples, but honestly, it’s just an attempt to ‘get around’ Mary’s declaration of her sinful nature ‘while’ she was pregnant with Jesus (Luke 1:46-47) & Paul’s declaration that Mary was sinful since her birth, since she was born ‘under the Law’ (Galatians 4:4-5),while Jesus was ‘born of a woman, born under the Law,’ but He was not ‘born under the Law Himself,’ but rather was a ‘fulfillment’ of the Law & the Prophets,’ fulfilling the Law perfectly, unlike His earthly & blessed, yet sinful, mother, who 'rejoiced in God her SAVIOR!"
Hi BornAgain,

You might have seen this video before, but if you haven’t, please watch it. It’s very well done, has nice background music and is an exegesis of Marian teaching.

I watched it when I was exploring Catholicism and it was very helpful.

The Truth About Mary
 
Hi BornAgain,

You might have seen this video before, but if you haven’t, please watch it. It’s very well done, has nice background music and is an exegesis of Marian teaching.

I watched it when I was exploring Catholicism and it was very helpful.

The Truth About Mary
I watched part of it, & yes it’s put together very well, & it does start out very Biblical. However, when it compares Eve being called 'Woman" & Mary being called “Woman” & implies that Mary is the ‘second Eve,’ because Jesus is the ‘second Adam,’ that’s where the flaw is. First, in Genesis, “Woman” was 'taken out of Man," while Jesus was 'taken out of Mary." Second, Scripture actually calls Jesus ‘the last Adam,’ but it doesn’t call Mary ‘the last Eve.’ Third, the Hebrew word for ‘Woman’ in the OT means ‘wife, or bride,’ while the Greek word for ‘Woman’ in the NT, can either mean ‘virgin, married, or widow.’ Although Mary was a virgin & she was married to Joseph, when Jesus calls her ‘Woman,’ both at the wedding at Cana, & when He’s on the cross, He’s not meaning this. ‘Woman’ was a term of endearment & respect, like “lady” or “ma’am.” Plus, when Jesus says, “What does this have to do with Me (or, ‘Us’)?” It literally means, ‘what do we have in common?’ And, the answer is ‘nothing.’ Then, He tells Mary, ‘my hour has not yet come.’ Jesus was very respectfully saying to His mother, that His mission on earth was that whatever He did was to glorify God, not fulfill an earthly need, which is why He then turned water into wine, so that God could be glorified. And, when He was on the cross & entrusted His mother to John, He called her ‘woman,’ which was a reference to her being a ‘widow’ (gynē - same word for ‘woman’ at Cana), since Jesus was going to die & Joseph most likely was dead. So, Jesus calling Mary, ‘woman,’ has nothing to do with her being a ‘second Eve.’

Also, I read a comment below the video that the ‘woman’ in Revelation 12 is Mary. If you compare the description of the 'Woman" in verse 1, & compare it to Genesis 37:5-10, you’ll see that the ‘Woman’ is actually Israel. It can’t refer to ‘Mary’ in Heaven, because later in Revelation 12, it says this same ‘Woman’ is being chased by the dragon (Satan) in the wilderness. So, if the ‘woman’ is Mary in Heaven, & not Israel, what is she doing later in the wilderness?

It was a nice attempt, but I’ve heard these defenses before, but with all due respect, they aren’t really good correlations. The music in the video was soothing though. 🙂
 
Hi Born Again,
only saying hello , it is great theat you understand what Jesus said ,we must go through him, well said:thumbsup:
 
When Jesus was born she did pretty much flee to the wilderness as they were running from Herod
 
"Listed summarily , the views of biblical scholars on the identity of “the woman clothed with the sun” fall into these categories :
She could be: a) Mary. b) Mary and the Church c) Israel , the Chosen People ; d) the people of the Old and New Testament. e) the Church of Christ f) the Church as eschatological community

A more critical analysis of the theories , however , shows that as in past exegesis , so today there are but two basic interpretations of the “woman” of Revelation 12. Namely Mary and the Church."
Author also notes ; The point then on which the identification of the “woman” hangs , is the dual maternity realized indivisibly and only in Mary: she is the real , physical Mother of the Messiah ; she is the real mystical Mother of the Church , the new people of God.

(“Mariology a guide for Priests , Deacons, seminarians and consecrated persons.”)
 
The rosary is a great idea. I also say the Magnificat every day - it’s fairly short.

I like to meditate on the annunciation - where Mary gave her “Yes”.

I call this poem “In That Instant”

In that instant, the angel said: “Hail full of Grace”
"Behold you shall conceive in your womb and shall bring forth a son: and you shall call his name Jesus. He shall be great and shall be called the Son of the Most High. "
And in that instant, every living creature stopped, held its breath, and waited for the young woman to respond. Waiting for her fiat - her “Yes”.
In that instant, all the angels in heaven took their eyes off God to behold the young virgin.
Abundant silence.
In that instant, our Mother Mary gave her “Yes”:
“Behold the handmaid of the Lord. Be it done to me in accordance with thy Word.”
In that instant the Word became Flesh.
And in that instant the choirs of angels in heaven rejoiced.
 
the rosary??? Our Holy Mother has been on mind constantly for the past week. I want to develop a closer relationship with her. Should I talk to her as well?!? I am coming back to the Catholic & I have been mostly focused on Jesus & the history of the Church since the onset of my journey back. But Mary has been on my mind ALL THE TIME this week.
Thank you!
I think you are about to be very blessed! Many many years ago, I was into liberal Catholicism and dissented from traditionalism. Not only dissented, but was actually quite rebellious against the hierarchy and the “old way.”

One evening, while soaking in the tub, the doorbell rang and a few moments later my husband came into the bathroom with a huge pile of paper in his hands saying this was just delivered to you from a close friend’s husband. (This friend and I were in ministry together and actually of one mind regarding the Church.) This friend is requesting that you read this material, pray and discern over it, and then call her. I was completely mystified by all of this since I had just spoken to her that very afternoon and she had not mentioned one word of this.

Imagine my astonishment as I later looked thru these documents to find many articles reiterating traditional devotion and church teaching. I stayed up late that evening pouring through some of them and came upon an article written by some Apostalacy (I cannot remember the exact name) but it was on a teaching regarding obedience. Before I went to bed that night, I ended up on my knees sobbing for the Holy Spirit to enlighten me.

A couple of days later, I was doing intercessory prayer for someone, but was stymied because I wasn’t sure what I should pray for. Being in the Charismatic movement at the time, I asked the HS as to how I should pray, and was again astounded because the “Hail Mary” verbally came forth from my lips. I had not prayed that prayer for years! I was spiritually in shock.

I will shorten this testimony by just saying that was the beginning of an incredible journey to Our Lady. I had always believed in her with my mind, but I cannot say I loved her, nor had she ever entered my heart, and just how she did so is still a complete mystery to me. It was an instruction and mystical experience that could only have been given by the grace of God. btw, both my friend and I eventually made a complete Consecration to Her Immaculate Heart.

You only need ask Mary and the HS to direct your way. She is already calling to you and I dare say you are about to become one of her warriors.
 
I think you are about to be very blessed! Many many years ago, I was into liberal Catholicism and dissented from traditionalism. Not only dissented, but was actually quite rebellious against the hierarchy and the “old way.”

One evening, while soaking in the tub, the doorbell rang and a few moments later my husband came into the bathroom with a huge pile of paper in his hands saying this was just delivered to you from a close friend’s husband. (This friend and I were in ministry together and actually of one mind regarding the Church.) This friend is requesting that you read this material, pray and discern over it, and then call her. I was completely mystified by all of this since I had just spoken to her that very afternoon and she had not mentioned one word of this.

Imagine my astonishment as I later looked thru these documents to find many articles reiterating traditional devotion and church teaching. I stayed up late that evening pouring through some of them and came upon an article written by some Apostalacy (I cannot remember the exact name) but it was on a teaching regarding obedience. Before I went to bed that night, I ended up on my knees sobbing for the Holy Spirit to enlighten me.

A couple of days later, I was doing intercessory prayer for someone, but was stymied because I wasn’t sure what I should pray for. Being in the Charismatic movement at the time, I asked the HS as to how I should pray, and was again astounded because the “Hail Mary” verbally came forth from my lips. I had not prayed that prayer for years! I was spiritually in shock.

I will shorten this testimony by just saying that was the beginning of an incredible journey to Our Lady. I had always believed in her with my mind, but I cannot say I loved her, nor had she ever entered my heart, and just how she did so is still a complete mystery to me. It was an instruction and mystical experience that could only have been given by the grace of God. btw, both my friend and I eventually made a complete Consecration to Her Immaculate Heart.

You only need ask Mary and the HS to direct your way. She is already calling to you and I dare say you are about to become one of her warriors.
What a beautiful testimony. Thank you!

Did your friend ever tell you how she herself experienced her change of heart?
 
I dreamed last night that I was praying the Office from the Little Office of the BVM (which I don’t own, by the way). Is that a message? :eek:
You would like the version from Baronius. It is pre-1962, Latin and English side by side, and has the notes for all the chants.

baroniuspress.com/book.php?wid=56&bid=47

A sample page is here.

I have a copy I don’t pray and will send it to you if you want, no charge. I’d rather have someone pray it than have it sit on my shelf unused. Send me a PM if you want it. If you don’t like it you could send it to Wasserfall or give it to someone at your parish.

Just let me know.

-Tim-
 
You would like the version from Baronius. It is pre-1962, Latin and English side by side, and has the notes for all the chants.

baroniuspress.com/book.php?wid=56&bid=47

A sample page is here.

I have a copy I don’t pray and will send it to you if you want, no charge. I’d rather have someone pray it than have it sit on my shelf unused. Send me a PM if you want it. If you don’t like it you could send it to Wasserfall or give it to someone at your parish.

Just let me know.

-Tim-
Thanks. I’ll think it over.

Does Wasserfall want one?
 
I think you are about to be very blessed! Many many years ago, I was into liberal Catholicism and dissented from traditionalism. Not only dissented, but was actually quite rebellious against the hierarchy and the “old way.”

One evening, while soaking in the tub, the doorbell rang and a few moments later my husband came into the bathroom with a huge pile of paper in his hands saying this was just delivered to you from a close friend’s husband. (This friend and I were in ministry together and actually of one mind regarding the Church.) This friend is requesting that you read this material, pray and discern over it, and then call her. I was completely mystified by all of this since I had just spoken to her that very afternoon and she had not mentioned one word of this.

Imagine my astonishment as I later looked thru these documents to find many articles reiterating traditional devotion and church teaching. I stayed up late that evening pouring through some of them and came upon an article written by some Apostalacy (I cannot remember the exact name) but it was on a teaching regarding obedience. Before I went to bed that night, I ended up on my knees sobbing for the Holy Spirit to enlighten me.

A couple of days later, I was doing intercessory prayer for someone, but was stymied because I wasn’t sure what I should pray for. Being in the Charismatic movement at the time, I asked the HS as to how I should pray, and was again astounded because the “Hail Mary” verbally came forth from my lips. I had not prayed that prayer for years! I was spiritually in shock.

I will shorten this testimony by just saying that was the beginning of an incredible journey to Our Lady. I had always believed in her with my mind, but I cannot say I loved her, nor had she ever entered my heart, and just how she did so is still a complete mystery to me. It was an instruction and mystical experience that could only have been given by the grace of God. btw, both my friend and I eventually made a complete Consecration to Her Immaculate Heart.

You only need ask Mary and the HS to direct your way. She is already calling to you and I dare say you are about to become one of her warriors.
I agree that this is a beautiful testimony. And remember devotion to Mary is never in conflict to the church. She will always lead you to Him.

After all - Mary is the most perfect adorer of the Holy Trinity. Daughter of the Father, spouse of the Holy Spirit, and mother of the Son. Can anyone else that has ever walked on this planet have a more perfect Love of God? Impossible!

She was given to us as our mother at the foot of the cross. Behold your mother! And who does not love their mother?

We are children of God and she is the Theotokos - God Bearer. It was God’s plan from the beginning that the Son of Man would come to save us. The Deliverer. She bore the Son of Man.

She is the new Ark. Gilded in purest gold. Like the Ark - she carried the Word of God - the Word made flesh. Would God place himself in an unworthy vessel? She is most pure. Perpetual Virgin. Conceived immaculately without original sin. Without stain. Purest gold.

To honor her and love her is right and just. We know she is not God, but she - like any mother deserves our love and affection.

She is the Queen of heaven. The angels bow down to her. And as queen, to her, no request is refused.

Peace,
John Marie Philomena
 
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