How can I get this straight?!?

[Paris_Blues]

vern humphrey:

Your response is very good.

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Yeah but someone told me:
"How can Mary & the saints guide us? They are DEAD. Jesus is the only one (& His Holy Spirit) that can guide us. Jesus Lives while the others are dead!
Mary did not save us. God chose her & she obeyed but she did not DIE for us. It is Jesus dying for us & believing on Him that saves us.
To say that Mary saves (even “in a way”) is almost like saying that Jesus suffered so horribly… for nothing."

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I think she missed my point! Of course Christ SAVED us!!!

 

[vern_humphrey]

Paris Blues:

Yeah but someone told me:
"How can Mary & the saints guide us? They are DEAD. Jesus is the only one (& His Holy Spirit) that can guide us. Jesus Lives while the others are dead!
Mary did not save us. God chose her & she obeyed but she did not DIE for us. It is Jesus dying for us & believing on Him that saves us.
To say that Mary saves (even “in a way”) is almost like saying that Jesus suffered so horribly… for nothing."

I think she missed my point! Of course Christ SAVED us!!!

There are very few Protestant sects that deny we have immortal souls!! As I pointed out, from the very first Christians have believed in the Communion of Saints (Saint Paul alludes to that when he refers to those who have died as having “fallen asleep.”)

To say the immortal soul is “dead” is to reject Christianity completely.

As for “saving,” there are those who believe in the “once saved, always saved” approach. I knew some who used to visit prostitutes on Saturday, and go to church on Sunday – convinced they had committed no sin, because they were “saved.”

This illustrates the problem with that kind of belief – it leads to the logical conclusion that there is no such thing as sin. Because if there is no penalty for sin, there is no such thing as sin.

Now Catholics believe salvation is an on-going process. We believe that we can (and do) sin. When Jesus saved us, he saved MANKIND, not each and everyone of us personally. He gave us the MEANS to keep his law, and the promise of salvation, but we are each responsible for keeping that law – and if we fail, we pay the penalty.

One of the most beautiful Catholic prayers, “Hail, Holy Queen” illustrates this – it ends, “Pray for us, Oh Holy Mother of God, that we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.”