How can I honor my dad?

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I know one of God’s ten commandments is that I’m supposed to honor my dad. But how can I do so? So here’s some background.

My sister is 34 y.o. Was a highschool dropout, and didn’t finish college. She just quit whenever things get hard/uncomfortable. She would blame all her failures onto other people. She had never been employed. All she does is stay at home, slacking off.

I moved back home to help my sister. My last attempt was in opening a small store for her. It failed because she wouldn’t get out of her comfort zone. As always, she blamed it on me forcing her. I learned that the root problem is my dad.

My dad spoils my sister so much. When she didn’t do her responsibility, there’s never any consequence. Whenever she asks for money, he would readily give her regardless of mom’s opinion. This irresponsible parenting turned her a lazy drama queen who gets angry when things don’t go her way.

Mom and I been trying to fix dad’s behavior. We defined a rule that my sister has to earn the money she receives. She has to complete her responsibilities before any money. My dad doesn’t think it’s important, he just bypassed everything.

My dad is a man of no integrity. He made empty promises just to please people. He himself had a broken-home. He cut contact with his sister and brother whom according to my other aunt had been spoiled as children. My dad didn’t wanna talk to them years until his sister and son died an tragic dead couple years ago. Ironically, my dad raises my sister just the way his his hated siblings were raised. I have been pointing out that he’s repeating the same cycle. He doesn’t care.

My dad also treats other people and my mom like crap, a total 180 degrees from how he does my sister. When my sister does wrong, he just let her be. Just yesterday, my sister yelled at my mom because she asked her to throw away fallen strands of hair into the trash bin to avoid clogging the sink. My sister swore improper words to my mom. My dad just did nothing to defend my mom. I expect my dad to scold my sister for using such words.

My dad never hangs out with friends, nor talks to his relatives. His relations with people are mostly business-related, in which he wouldn’t hesitate to talk dishonestly/lie to win a deal.

I often get into heated arguments with my dad. I feel the need to because who else would correct his self-righteousness? I need to defend my mom when she’s treated crappily. I need to protect my sister from all the spoiling she receives. I always say this right into his face: “you’re raising your daughter like your hated siblings were raised. You didn’t talk to your sister much until she died of HIV. Do you want the same to your daughter?” and he would defend himself: “Who am I to be responsible of my sister?”. And so I’d angrily respond “Okay then, don’t blame me if I say the same to your beloved daugther when you’re gone and she needs help” He just can’t see that he’s repeating the same cycle of a broken home-ness.

Sorry for this long rant. How am I supposed to honor my dad? How can I honor such ungodly behavior?
 
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I come from a big family and we all get along. We are all middle-aged and genuinely like eachother, largely because we stay out of each other’s business. I would suggest you try that. It diminishes the need to solve each other’s problems, to judge each other, and all of the other negative things you described about your relationship with your family members.
 
Welcome to the forums @blacksoil 💐

Have you tried nicely saying to your sister that you are concerned how she will support herself etc when your father is no longer here?
If she is not willing to work, then she will at least need to meet a man to marry who will support her being a housewife.
Otherwise,it could become very hard for her to cope with the practicalities of everyday life such as paying bills etc.

I guess you can honour your dad by staying respectful,being patient and understanding that his ways are probably influenced due to his own upbringing.
 
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I did try that… the thing I can’t stand is when my sisters started bossing around and being disrespectful in the house. For example, when my mom, as the owner of our house, asked her to do things certain way in the house. As we are living on her house, I personally think she has the right to ask us to do so, and we should just listen. If we don’t like it, we’re free to move out. But that’s not how my sister is behaving. She feels entitled to doing things her way and doing whatever she wants. She behaves as if parents supporting her is just her rights, instead of a privilege or something to be grateful for. This is super irritating to me and I can’t stand such arrogance
 
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I did try that. I spent these past 4 years trying to help her. She often got into heated arguments with my dad, she would cry and stuff. I told her that if she doesn’t like being home, she should stand on her two feet by getting a job/create a small business and move out. I even pitied her for that and decided to help her.

But after so many failed attempts, I realized she’s just being a drama queen. In a reality she isn’t willing to get out of her comfort zone of not having to do anything and just rely on my dad’s support. So it’s like she doesn’t like my dad, but she loves the comfort zone my dad is providing her.
 
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Wow.

My heartfelt suggestion is to begin to pray for your relationships. Ask God to become part of every interaction with your family. Get good, solid, Christian counseling. If your family will not come to counseling, you go yourself.
We are all middle-aged and genuinely like eachother, largely because we stay out of each other’s business. I would suggest you try that. It diminishes the need to solve each other’s problems, to judge each other, and all of the other negative things you described about your relationship with your family members.
This is a great starting point.

There seems to be long standing, deep jealousy at work.

If I were you, I would move out tomorrow. Your parents are your parents, and it seems that you are stepping in as another parent to your sister, and trying to also parent your dad. Not healthy.
she should stand on her two feet by getting a job/create a small business and move out.
In a reality she isn’t willing to get out of her comfort zone of not having to do anything and just rely on my dad’s support.
Not everyone has the ability to bootstrap. Your sister may have some interior battles, crippling fears, even illnesses that you know nothing about.
I even pitied her for that and decided to help her.
Really, this sort of judgemental help is not help.

Get your own place, get some counseling, pray for God to be part of every conversation. Literally, if you cannot say something kind to your sister or parents, stay out of conversations.

Be what God wants you to be, light and love and joy. Read 1 Corinthians chapter 13 every day.
 
Thanks for your honest feedback. This gets me thinking.

While it may sound like there’s a jealousy, I can tell you honestly that I’m not jealous or anything. In fact, I had a really great job overseas and had a peaceful life there. But I just felt that considering how the situation is back at home, I shouldn’t just run away to seek my own peace knowing that my family is breaking down.

I realize I’m stepping my boundaries as a child. I admit it that I’m trying to “parent” my dad. But this is not without reason. My dad, he often hurt my mom through his words and his actions. I’ve been hearing my mom pouring out her hearts ever since I was in highschool or even middle-school, probably because she didn’t have anyone else to pour hear heart to. Should I just stay quiet when I see my mom being abused verbally? Is it wrong to defend her?

About my sister, I totally understand that not everybody has the ability to bootstrap. I quitted a good overseas job to help her bootstraped, but she didn’t even try. I never once asked her to do things without me accompanying and supporting her. But you know, she just doesn’t wanna leave her own little comfort ball. She blames things around her, yet she doesn’t wanna try to get out of the situations. She prefers to just blame and blame instead of doing real actions to move out. It’s like somebody saying he doesn’t have money, yet at the same time refuse to work to earn more…
 
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I’ve been hearing my mom pouring out her hearts ever since I was in highschool or even middle-school, probably because she didn’t have anyone else to pour hear heart to.
You mom out never have put you in that position.
Should I just stay quiet when I see my mom being abused verbally? Is it wrong to defend her?
“Mom, here is the number of the Community Counseling Center. I can make you an appointment, I would be happy to make you an appointment with Fr Joe as well.”
It’s like somebody saying he doesn’t have money, yet at the same time refuse to work to earn more…
When someone is a bootstrapper, it is difficult to understand those who are not. Not everyone can just “work to earn more”. For instance, those dealing with depression, it can take every ounce of energy they have to simply take a shower.

What sounds like blaming may be indicative that your sister does not have the tools to express what she is feeling. To be really honest, you two may have such an adversarial dynamic happening that your suggestions to see a therapist and a physician might backfire, but, maybe someone else can be the support she needs to get some treatment. Your sister may never be able to run a business or go overseas to get a good job. She deserves your respect, she has dignity as God’s creation.
 
Thanks for the counseling suggestion. I’ll do that next time instead of trying to solve things my way.

I’m trying really hard to respect my sister. But it’s really hard when everyday I see her waking up late and just slacking off, not doing the small things she’s responsible for, and just yesterday, swearing curse words at my mom! How can I respect such attitudes?
 
We respect, we give love and dignity, to persons.

You can disagree with attitudes or ideals.

Imagine for a moment that your sister has a terminal illness that has robbed her of the ability to walk. Would you resent her for requiring a wheelchair?
 
You’re such a compassionate person. I need to learn to be more compassionate, I guess.

The last 6 months, it’s super hard for me to not resent. The previous 3 years, I have been trying different efforts to support her. From importing things to sell, opening up online shop, and lastly opening up an offline store for her. She knows I sacrificed a lot of time and opportunity for her, even decided to move back home for her. She’s just being unreasonable. For example, when I imported electronic gadgets from china, I asked her to do 2 things: create a simple website for online promotion, and go out to shops with my dad trying to find reseller for it. Atm I had to leave home 1 month, and she agreed. I asked my dad to accompanied my sister as needed. 1 month came by, she did nothing… She blamed it on me saying that I knew she didn’t wanna do anything related to design nor salesmanship. I didn’t give up.

Then, I tried teaching her online shops. I bought used things and find buyers, then I ocassionaly asked her to communicate with buyers and arranged shipping. It worked when I asked her explicitly. When I stopped asking, she stopped doing anything, although I have taught her how to source items, promote, etc. There seems to just be no motivation on her side, because money is something my dad always readily gives.

Last attempt, I opened an offline shop for her. She disagreed with the location, but I said we should do it there to save cost because dad owns it. I spent months preparing for things. Putting wallpaper and tiles according to her wants because she hated its previous pink-colored wall and ceramic floor. I planned the items to buy, etc, involving her in the process. We opened the shop for 2 weeks. During those moments we learned that we had to do more marketing. I created some design material although I’m not a designer myself, just simple brochure and poster. I distributed flyers. I also assigned her to help doing the same. She refused, saying she didn’t wanna do design. I then told her, you can find designers to do that if you don’t wanna do it yourself. She kept delaying it, complaining whenever doing it. At some point, we got into an argument. She begin yelling at me saying I forced her into doing design and talking to people, somehing she doesn’t wanna do from the very start. My mom and I explained her that in business, there’s always things we don’t like to do, but we have to. She kept complaining and blaming me how she didn’t like the location in the first place and prefer different location. I gave up and I tell her, “I already show you how I’d do things, feel free to continue it on your own. If you wanna open another shop in another location, please do so, dad is already willing to fund it” You know what? She comes back to doing nothing! 2 months passed by she came back to slacking off all day long.

The thing I’m really disappointed is that my dad didn’t try to talk responsibility to her. He’s like 100% okay with my sister not doing anything. She’s 34 years old, have never been employed a single day in her life, dropped out of 4 different universities, how does my dad think she can survive when he pass away?
 
. The previous 3 years, I have been trying different efforts to support her.
Did she ask you to do these things or was it you suggesting and she grudgingly said “mkay”?

She told you she is not a salesperson, a marketing person or a designer yet you want her to do those things?

Work on becoming a friend to your sister.
 
It’s true. You’ve got to stop. You say you moved into your family home to help your sister. She obviously didn’t want your help, didn’t take your advice, and is content to live on what your dad gives her. You failed. You were willing to help, but your sister didn’t do her part.

Are you still living in their home? If so, why? So they can upset you? That’s what’s going to happen!

Maybe the only thing your father will see as ‘honor’ is obeying him without question. I’m pretty sure the best bet for all of you (something you can control)is for you to move out. Are you all passed thirty? You can show your siblings what ‘growing up’ is.

Your father obviously, wants to give your sister what she wants. And, it would be disrespectful for you to bring up the possibility of your father’s death, right in front of him. You seem to be the best lifestyle example in your family. But we’re only seeing one side of the situation!

The highest honor you can give your father, (and most likely, mother, sister, and rest of the family that live near you) is to make a good life for yourself, and keep living it. You won’t be taken seriously until you’re living the way you say you want them to live. Do it!
 
God gave you the gift of your life and self.
You need first to honor God your eternal Father by living it well, not in trying to parent your father and your sister.
This is what you are trying to do.
All that will happen is that they will push against your efforts and become more entrenched in their ways.
Your father clearly has no desire to or perhaps ability to recognise or rise above the years of parent modelling he received as a child and youth.

You also cannot parent your mother’s life by trying to fix it.
That won’t happen either. She is an adult who also must make her own choices and find her own strength.
This is what you are trying to do.
It won’t work in any case and you will only ruin your chance at living the full and productive life God intends for you.

The best thing you can do to honor your parents in Gods eyes is to respectfully stop the pointless arguing and reproaches.

Provide a good example silently by moving out again, telling them your decision to do so without recrimination or judgement but pleasantly, find your own place, and model a life well-lived. You have some mending of yourself to do. You have forced yourself to be your family’s conscience and parent. It won’t work. And you need to live the only life it is possible to live, your own, with enthusiasm and dedication, without allowing yourself to be sucked back into your family drama and the role you have assigned yourself till now.

Pray for your family, and live your life kindly and well, and with discretion.
 
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I’m sorry about your mother’s unhappiness. You and she may not realise it, but it was unfair of her to make you the recipient of her unhappiness. I say that as a mother myself. Your family is divided into roles that have played out for a long time and it’s hard to break out of those.
Your father and sister have an unhealthy dynamic, and you may find it difficult to realise that your mother’s and your dynamic is also unhealthy for you both …for you both
Honest counselling might benefit you both.
I know it’s all very painful and difficult, but please God, you and your mother each will find a healthy and strong way forward.
With regard to each of you, choices, and refusals to make choices, all have consequences and each is personal responsibility, for which each will stand alone in judgement before God.

You know you have tried to the best of your ability and understanding.
Now, it is possible that God brought you to us at this moment because He wants to say to you, “go now and live your life. Love and pray for them always, but become who I create you to be”

God bless you and your family. God loves you all too. He must also work with your family in His own way. It may at some time be harsh and scary for you, but it is God who is truly the Father of each member of your family, and a Father sometimes must discipline, must sometimes act gently. Trust in His love, however hard that may be at times now and in the future.

May God bless and help your family.
 
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Yes, she wanted it. She wanted to stand up on her two feet, that’s why I helped.

If you have ever done a business before, you’ll know that no matter you like it or not, there are just things that gotta be done. When you have spent money for capitals and rent, yet no customers coming in the door, we gotta do what we gotta to do. I’m not even asking her anything hard. Just drag and dropping images for simple brochure, or if she didn’t wanna do it, I let her do it her own way (i.e. pay her friend, etc). As for talking people, it’s not anything hard like professional sales or marketing, just one time when she was buying a dog food in the neighborhood, I asked her to tell the owner about our shop. That’s it. Is that too much to ask? I on the other hand did 10x of all the things I asked her…

You’re giving her so much benefits of doubt, but trust me, all my family members agree that my sister has an issue. The problem is that her pride is too big to admit it and so she’d just blame people. It’s not without reason she flunked twice back on middle-school and high school. She ended up not finishing highschool either. Dad bought her a degree… And after that, 4 failed attempts at different universities. It’s not because of intellectual challenge or anything, she just quit and blame when things get a little uncomfy.
 
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Thanks a lot. I think you’re right. I can’t change until they wanna change…
 
Due to the circumstances, I have some commitments requiring me to stay home for a few more months (work-related). After that, though, like you suggested, I’m gonna move out. I’m really praying that my moving plan would work out well. I also asked my mom to pray that it goes well so that when she gets too sad, she can just fly over to my future place and spend some time there to discharge.

Thank you for your suggestion. This is like a confirmation that my plan to move out is the right thing to do.
 
Thank you for your suggestion. I have a plan to move out in few months, I pray things go well…
 
Thank you so much for your kind words… At the moment, my dad’s older bro is in a quite sad condition. He has a failing kidney, he can no longer walk without being supported and has to go through hemodialysis once a week. Even at such condition, my dad still refuses to go see him. And another one was my dad’s sister, like I described in the previous post, my dad also refused to talk to her until one time she was in a very desperate and sad situation. Considering how he treats his own siblings, I was scared of what would happen to my sister.

But you’re right, there’s nothing else I can do again at this point. I’ve tried being soft, firm, etc, for the past 4 years, and nothing has worked. My dad and my sister already know what I think they should do and how I feel about them. Now it’s up to them. It’s time for me to worry about my own life…

Thanks for being a confirmation that I’m not being selfish by planning to move out…
 
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