How can I prove that the Virgin Mary has always been a virgin?

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Hi, Ginger2
Ginger2 said:
That was indeed one of the best answers I have received from a Catholic source thus far 😃
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Does this mean that you accept the answers provided and that Mary remained a virgin throughout her life?

God bless
 
Ginger2 said:
The original text does not say “full of Grace”

If I remember correctly, The only place Scripture where those words are used is in reference to Jesus:

Jhn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth.

Altho translated differently, the same words used to address Mary are applied to all believers in Eph 1:6 meaning being made accepted to God.

Ginger
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peck, peck, peck, peck, peck…the bulk of that prayer is rooted in scripture.
 
I’m curious, Ginger. You said that the link which was given for Scripture Catholic, which I then gave in full, was “the best answer you had gotten from a Catholic source.” Now I looked through that and gosh all golly, it appears to me as if we have,in this thread, mentioned every single one of those points.

So could you tell us why this link was “the best answer you had gotten from a Catholic source” when at the same time every time one of these points was raised by one of us troglodytes, you denied it and found it unworthy?
 
Hi, Tantum ergo,

Hey! Go easy on those troglodytes … I am sure they have their standards… 😃 Besides, TE, you will just have to take a number… I have a pending question to Ginger 2 basically on this same subject. I worry now that your post may have scared her off … she is such a wallflower, you know… 😃
Tantum_ergo said:
I’m curious, Ginger. You said that the link which was given for Scripture Catholic, which I then gave in full, was “the best answer you had gotten from a Catholic source.” Now I looked through that and gosh all golly, it appears to me as if we have,in this thread, mentioned every single one of those points.

So could you tell us why this link was “the best answer you had gotten from a Catholic source” when at the same time every time one of these points was raised by one of us troglodytes, you denied it and found it unworthy?
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By the way, I have enjoyed your previous posts … keep up the good work.

God bless
 
Originally Posted by Angel Showri
scripturecatholic.com/ble…rgin_mary.html

If you have any further questions read the article on the above url…very well explained.
Ginger2 said:
That was indeed one of the best answers I have received from a Catholic source thus far 😃
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the original link did not work and ginger2 was having a laugh at the page presented by the bad url.

i think the full link Angel Showri was aiming for was
scripturecatholic.com/blessed_virgin_mary.html
scripturecatholic.com/blessed_virgin_mary.html
 
angelaliverpool said:
Ginger2;5694532:
Juan,

The simple answer is that there is no Scripture that supports Mary having no other children. However, while there are Scriptures that suggest Mary may have had other children, there is no Scripture that positively confirms siblings.

So I ask you this, What difference does it make if Mary had other children with Joseph after the birth of Jesus?

It would not be a sin as they were legally married according to Jewish law.

It would not change who Jesus was nor deter his mission.

It would not change God not His sovereign nature.

So what difference does it make?

Exactly! I totally agree… Faith is different from a belief… I believe in God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I don’t always believe in man made rules or how they are interpreted in different ways, by a diversity of people.

The trinity is the focus of my Faith, we are born we live and we die, that is the natural path to follow, so what we do in between that time is our choice, the freedom of choice that was given to us as Jesus our saviour and Lord died for our sins on the cross.

I am always questioning and the Catholic faith encourages this, as a healthy way of nurturing and affirming our faith.

I say so what IF/
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U]… it was not an immaculate conception? Mary the Mother of Jesus was so Holy a person to stand by her son as he walked that long Rd.!

So what IF… Mary had other children… they will have grown to be good people and with the spirit of the Lord always close at heart. Thats a good thing because Geneology of Abraham proves that Joseph was the chosen earthly Father to be… and is’nt it great to think that me or you or someone out there may have ancestoral roots of Jesus? Everyone I meet I look deeper than that person on the outside and see them as Jesus has taught us to with Love and passion.

So what IF… Jesus had many women? Who are we to judge and condem, havent we who don’t BELIEVE, already Judged! Yes the day we chose to crucify him was the day we Judged, I wasn’t there but where my ancestors? Would I have stopped them! No, but knowing what I know now, I would have died for my Lord!

For any man to have to walk the walk our Lord had to walk, would not have survived… so we must keep this in mind and say to our selves what a miricul it was for our Lord to survive and tell the man on his left and the man on his right they will be joining him to day in paradise! Thats the beginning and the end, the Alpha and omera…

Believe what you must, would be my answer to your friends… Its not about belief its about having Faith to help us believe!

I hope I haven’t dribbled on to much. I am just blessed by the Holy Spirit and feel my views are his… I love my Lord and My God with all my might and it is through that Love I am given strength.

Next time your out and about, it may be church, it may be with your mates, where ever you may be, look deeper at the situation and you’ll always find history repeated… for instance I went to church one morning and it was just like anyother morning, I followed the service, said my prayers, did little church with the younger parishinors and felt good in myself that I had been able to spend some time with Our God. After mass I went up an joined a handful of my pals, who were in deep conversation, they didn’t seem to want me to join in and then one of my pals said what do you think of her, coming to church, all high and mighty, Yeh, said another and we havent seen her for years, she just wants her kid to get into St Eddies, I then interupted and said well, wouldn’t you have done the same? How do we know she hasn’t been going to another church or different time mass, weel we don’t they said, butt… so I left them with there thoughts and went off to join the person who they had pointed the finger at. I knew her and spoke to her about how great it is to feel apart of a family and said I was made up she was putting her name forward to join us in the children’s lit.

That day I looked back and reflected and the person who came to mind was Mary Madeline and that day I felt what just did, pity and hurt and that day I wanted to just bend down and statr writing in thin air on the ground, to se what my friends reactions would be?

Have a good day and keep smiling, cause the whole world will smile with you.:):rolleyes:👍

Love and peace of Jesus Christ be with you always.

Angela x

…they were actually betrothed…
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Tantum_ergo said:
I’m curious, Ginger. You said that the link which was given for Scripture Catholic, which I then gave in full, was “the best answer you had gotten from a Catholic source.” Now I looked through that and gosh all golly, it appears to me as if we have,in this thread, mentioned every single one of those points.

So could you tell us why this link was “the best answer you had gotten from a Catholic source” when at the same time every time one of these points was raised by one of us troglodytes, you denied it and found it unworthy?
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It was a joke. The link didn’t work when I clicked it.
 
Hi, Ginger2

I am postive there is a URL for remedial joke telling … you know, so the people you tell it to will understand you are trying to be funny. Just don’t practice any more on this thread. 😃 We actually thought you were being both serious and sincere.
Ginger2 said:
It was a joke. The link didn’t work when I clicked it.
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Apparently a mistake on two counts…:rolleyes:

God bless
 
tqualey said:
Hi, Ginger2

I am postive there is a URL for remedial joke telling … you know, so the people you tell it to will understand you are trying to be funny. Just don’t practice any more on this thread. 😃 We actually thought you were being both serious and sincere.

Apparently a mistake on two counts…:rolleyes:

God bless
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Ginger2 said:
It was a joke. The link didn’t work when I clicked it.
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HI Ginger2,
I was looking forward to hearing your thoughts on my post #224, but as ussual its been lost in the back pages of the thread.
i’m really enjoying the discussion. only been on this forum for a couple weeks now, and think im an addict.
 
Ah, so you were trying to be funny, Ginger.

I see.

Of course, pretty quickly after that post went up, I put up the actual message that the bad link did not show.

You posted a couple of times after I did that and **never bothered to let us know **that you thought that a ‘non-answer’ i.e. a ‘dead link’ was a ‘better’ answer from a Catholic source than all of us ‘live’ people?

One wonders just how long you would have waited to let us in on the joke if we hadn’t been ‘curious’. . .

One wonders too just why you thought it was so funny to make what turns out to be a really insulting dismissal of the hard work of many people who thought they were at least addressing somebody who took them seriously even if the person disagreed with them. . .
 
Some one may have mentioned this already, but in Matthew 1:25 it appears that Joseph had been told by the angel of the Lord, Not to have any sexual relations with Mary untilshe had given birth to a son which he named Jesus.

Blessings,
John1
 
John1 said:
Some one may have mentioned this already, but in Matthew 1:25 it appears that Joseph had been told by the angel of the Lord, Not to have any sexual relations with Mary untilshe had given birth to a son which he named Jesus.

Blessings,
John1

Bethsheba didn’t have “any more children until she was dead” - explain that one!
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Jason_1977 said:
yikes…
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‘Michal the daughter of Saul had no children until the time of her death’ (2 Sam 6:23)
Did she have children after her death?

The raven ‘went forth and did not return till the waters were dried up from the earth’ (Gen 8:7)
The raven never came back

The location of the grave of Moses no-one knows ‘until this present day’ (Deut 34:6)
We have not located it.

‘And they went up to mount Sion with joy and gladness, and offered holocausts, because not one of them was slain till they had returned in peace’ (1 Macc 5:54)
Were the soldiers slain on returning from battle?
 
KEVIN_WILCOX said:
‘Michal the daughter of Saul had no children until the time of her death’ (2 Sam 6:23)
Did she have children after her death?

The raven ‘went forth and did not return till the waters were dried up from the earth’ (Gen 8:7)
The raven never came back

The location of the grave of Moses no-one knows ‘until this present day’ (Deut 34:6)
We have not located it.

‘And they went up to mount Sion with joy and gladness, and offered holocausts, because not one of them was slain till they had returned in peace’ (1 Macc 5:54)
Were the soldiers slain on returning from battle?
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If I was a protestant I would probably stay away from using the ‘until’/heos/eos argument to disprove perpetual virginity, given the implications to the verse.
the end result would be to convince everyone that the author was actually highlighting that they got to have sex after the birth… which seems to me like a crazy aim… why? would the author be trying to say that, whats that got to do with the birth.
 
panevino said:
If I was a protestant I would probably stay away from using the ‘until’/heos/eos argument to disprove perpetual virginity, given the implications to the verse.
the end result would be to convince everyone that the author was actually highlighting that they got to have sex after the birth… which seems to me like a crazy aim… why? would the author be trying to say that, whats that got to do with the birth.
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I quote from *The Authorized King James Bible *because for many Fundamental/Evangelical Protestants this translation is manna from heaven, seen as almost needing no human intermediary.

The Scripture here seems to indicate Mary’s perpetual virginity.

If they (Fundamental/Evangelical Christians) want to follow sola scriptora - how do they explain these texts? And not confirm at least the possibility of Mary’s perpetual virginity?
 
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