How can I reply to this?

[Rachel84]

How can I reply to this in defense of my Catholic Faith?

‘‘Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God’’, Jesus never said anything against being gay. It was the Vatican and The Desciples that did.So why in Gods name if you are a follower of Jesus, would you believe some of the things the Vatican teach! "

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Um, “Jesus never said?” Says whom? Scripture itself tells us that Scripture does not contain all that Jesus said and did. . .so why on earth would these people (who acknowledge that the disciples DID say something) think that Jesus’s words were not being conveyed by said apostles?

My goodness, these folks with an agenda are really really trying to twist things around. The Scripture (which they try to claim as a support with an argument ‘from silence’, itself a fallacy) is ours because of the same Catholic Church that they now try to besmear as ‘homophobic’.

Pity them, but I doubt that you can ‘respond’ to them. If they close their ears and their mind and their heart right from the beginning–as their remark shows-I doubt that they would even accept the truth if Christ handed it to them on a silver platter, but would instead insist that He was ‘mistaken’. . .

 

[Vile_Servant]

How can I reply to this in defense of my Catholic Faith?

‘‘Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God’’, Jesus never said anything against being gay. It was the Vatican and The Desciples that did.So why in Gods name if you are a follower of Jesus, would you believe some of the things the Vatican teach! "

Romans 1:26-27
For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.

Revelation 21:27
But nothing unclean will enter it, nor anyone who practises abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

 

[TheDoctor]

…Jesus never said anything against being gay. It was the Vatican and The Desciples that did.

My initial reply would be, you sure of this? Tell them to look at Leviticus 18,1-2;22
The LORD said to Moses, "Speak to the Israelites and tell them: I, the LORD, am your God…You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination.
It seems really clear that God said it, and if you believe Jesus is God, it follows Jesus said it too. So I guess my question back to them is: Show me where the Vatican said being gay was a sin and did not relate that back to scripture or tradition.

 

[CPA2]

Homosexuality and atheism are related to one another. A humanistic society has no restriction of morals which come from religion. Homosexuality becomes normal in a society where there are no morals. Let us not forget that George Washington once said the pillars of our society are the Constitution and religion. Unfortunately, we are loosing both. We have sown the seeds of our own destruction.

We are in a battle for America’s soul. Homosexuality is one of the cultural issues that divide us. George Busch, to his credit, believes that marriage should only be between a man a woman. To think otherwise is to attack marriage.

Do homosexuals only seek to be tolerated? I think not. The homosexual agenda is to destroy marriage. Society undermines marriage and the family the moment it accords equal recognition to homosexual couples.

Homosexual activists claim that their “domestic partnerships” are a simple issue of tolerance. I am not buying it. Do you really think that Michaelangelo Signorile is a lone voice crying in the wilderness? Do you think that he is not representative of the homosexual movement? Give me a break! Paula Ettelbrick, director for the National Center for Lesbian Rights, said, “We must keep our eyes on the goals of providing true alternatives to marriage and of radically reordering society’s views of reality.” Shall I go on? I think that many of you guys are in denial.

References:

Paula Ettelbrick, “Since When is Marriage a Path to Liberation?” in Rubenstein, op cit., p.405

 

[rossum]

Romans 1:26-27
For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.

Revelation 21:27
But nothing unclean will enter it, nor anyone who practises abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

That does not help the OP a great deal. Her opponent’s point was that Jesus did not talk about the subject, just Paul and others. You have not quoted any actual words of Jesus but the words of Paul and John.

rossum

 

[rossum]

How can I reply to this in defense of my Catholic Faith?

‘‘Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God’’, Jesus never said anything against being gay. It was the Vatican and The Desciples that did.So why in Gods name if you are a follower of Jesus, would you believe some of the things the Vatican teach! "

Someone who is homosexual and is pure of heart can indeed be saved. Someone who is heterosexual and is not pure of heart will not be saved. A celibate homosexual is not sinning nor is a formerly non-celibate but truly repentant homosexual.

Sexuality has very little to do with it, sinning and repentance are far more important.

rossum

 

[John21652]

Homosexuality and atheism are related to one another. A humanistic society has no restriction of morals which come from religion. Homosexuality becomes normal in a society where there are no morals. Let us not forget that George Washington once said the pillars of our society are the Constitution and religion. Unfortunately, we are loosing both. We have sown the seeds of our own destruction.

We are in a battle for America’s soul. Homosexuality is one of the cultural issues that divide us. George Busch, to his credit, believes that marriage should only be between a man a woman. To think otherwise is to attack marriage.

Do homosexuals only seek to be tolerated? I think not. The homosexual agenda is to destroy marriage. Society undermines marriage and the family the moment it accords equal recognition to homosexual couples.

Homosexual activists claim that their “domestic partnerships” are a simple issue of tolerance. I am not buying it. Do you really think that Michaelangelo Signorile is a lone voice crying in the wilderness? Do you think that he is not representative of the homosexual movement? Give me a break! Paula Ettelbrick, director for the National Center for Lesbian Rights, said, “We must keep our eyes on the goals of providing true alternatives to marriage and of radically reordering society’s views of reality.” Shall I go on? I think that many of you guys are in denial.

References:

Paula Ettelbrick, “Since When is Marriage a Path to Liberation?” in Rubenstein, op cit., p.405

And to the above add these references -

**"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. **" (Leviticus 18:22-23)

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. " (Leviticus 20:13)

“For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;” (Romans 1:26-28)

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Yes, it’s rather interesting in a way that people are trying to claim that “Jesus” . To me, it shows that they have a very imperfect understanding of Jesus.

If they accept Jesus as God, then surely they would also accept that Scripture --and that includes the Old Testament as well as the letters of St. Peter, St. Paul, etc.,–is considered the written Word of God. . .and that the “word of God” is **not limited to the few recorded utterances of Jesus which Scripture itself makes clear are not the ‘only’ words Jesus ever said. **Furthermore, Jesus did say that the “Holy Spirit would guide the Church to all Truth.” So either the Holy Spirit was somehow not guiding the apostles (who did speak against homosexuality). . .or else these ‘thinkers’ are going to default plan B of "but **<Jesus didn’t actually say in His own written down words “no homosexual behavior” so it doesn’t matter that God made it clear that this was wrong in Scripture and that He continues to teach it through His Church.

**In a way, these people are kind of a reverse ‘sola Scriptura’ of the “Bible-only’ type. Only instead of “Bible only” they make it a ‘Jesus’ words --the “red ones”–only. . .as though Christ was somehow separated from His Father and His Spirit, and from the remainder of His words, His teachings, His apostles and His church–forever crystalline preserved as the gentle 'hippie-tolerant-I-forgive-you-anything-group-hug” ‘liberal’ who doesn’t condemn ANYTHING whatsoever except Pharisees (that convenient label they then proceed to paste on anyone who disagrees with their silly interpretation). Sad. . .and spirtually dangerous. We should pray for them.

 

[CPA2]

One obtains salvation by obedience. Practicing homosexuality is not practicing obedience. Practicing homosexuality does not lead to God’s love. On a biblical level God has a resolute message for settling opinions. WE ARE TO LOVE ALL MEN WITHOUT CONDENSATION, BUT FIRM IN CONDEMNING SIN, SUCH AS HOMOSEXUALITY.

 

[St_Francis]

Sex is a gift from God for the purpose of uniting a man and a woman in the begetting and raising of children. Marriage is the sacrament which gives us the grace to do this.

The mis-use of His gift is a sin; *nothing *that Christ said would change what God said in the OT.

 

[fix]

How can I reply to this in defense of my Catholic Faith?

‘‘Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God’’, Jesus never said anything against being gay. It was the Vatican and The Desciples that did.So why in Gods name if you are a follower of Jesus, would you believe some of the things the Vatican teach! "

We cannot separate Jesus from His Church. One of first questions to ask such people is how they know what is in the bible got there in the first place.

 

[Biggie]

And He said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, 19 because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?” (Thus He declared all foods clean.) 20 And He was saying, “That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man. 21 “For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, 22 deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness. 23 “All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man.” Mark 7

Certainly sodomy falls within the range of evil thoughts, fornications, adulteries and sensuality. All people have to deal with the truth that Jesus condemned all forms of sensuality outside marriage.

 

[Holly3278]

Jesus taught the apostles all that they know so therefore, Jesus must have taught about homosexuality even if He was speaking off the record. Of course, I could be wrong but that’s the way I view it. Either that or the apostles already knew it was wrong because the Old Testament moral law condemned it and because the moral law never changes.