Don’t you think you’re being a great bit unkind. This person is obviously extremely upset. Why would you jump in like that and add this? Already somebody else was rude to him. Does it make you feel good to hurt or humiliate people?
Dswearin, I have no doubt that Student is very sincere and genuine in their concern for what they have experienced and it obviously causes him/her great anxiety.
That’s why it’s important for the Bishop to decide what, if any, course of action to take.
Nope, just pointing out that it was indeed, dramatic, meaning that her statement didn’t fit the situation as she has stated it. The question, while leading, is what in counseling circles, is called therapeutic. It’s meant to make the counseled person aware that their line of thinking is what is causing the anxiety. It’s not the priests who are abusing the mass that cause her anxiety, it’s how she perceives it and responds to it. Perhaps you should consider that coddling people all the time is not necessarily beneficial. Iron only sharpens iron through friction.
It might be a good idea to take a deep breath and chill for a while.
Now, the situation there was a little different in that the celebrant was a “regular” at the parish, but the idea behind it should still be helpful. In the case quoted, it seems that the priest caved for fear of being exposed to the bishop. So, what you might consider is simply sending a respectful letter to the bishop, explaining what the priest(s) has done, and asking the bishop to help you understand. The dates would be helpful, and so is a listing of what you think was “left out” or “ad libbed” from the Missal. It just might have the desired effect. Then again, depending on the disposition of the bishop, it might be ignored. But either way, you will have done “due diligence” in reporting it. That’s really all you can do.I’ve done this, with effective results - we had a priest who was leaving out some stuff that I thought was kind of important and when I mentioned to him that I was following along in the book, because I was a new Catholic, and I was noticing that he was omitting a great deal of what was in the book, and it was causing me unrest - perhaps I should ask the Bishop to explain to me why there was such a huge difference between the book and the actual Mass? It very suddenly started to match the book almost exactly, from that time forward.
You certainly have a very valid point here, I admit.
The “poor priests” don’t even know this exists and their names are not given: therefore, they are not the one’s we should be concerned with. They are not “poor” in this case. This kid is the one that needs help. Could you just, please, have some pity and mercy.
Yes, it would if she were mentally able to do so at this time. It is obvious that she has some other issue. Getting in her face with “friction” is causing harm to her. If causing harm leads to some kind of good outcome, it is still a sin. The end does not justify the means. Coddling and referring for professional help are two different things.You certainly have a very valid point here, I admit.
It would be a very valuable exercise for him/her to step back and look at what is causing their anxiety. The perceived abuses or how he/she is reacting to those percieved abuses.
Great point.
True.
Depends on your definition of harm. It hurts to exercise when you’re overweight, but that doesn’t mean it’s bad because it hurts. It hurt me when I found out that I was a sinner in need of a Saviour, but that wasn’t bad because it led to my salvation. Dying on the cross, hurt, but God the Father still sent His Son to do it for our sake and His glory, does that make it sin?
So, counseling the OP to write the Bishop is “non-Catholic”? That’s pretty much the bulk of advice that has been given in this thread. If you look back, that was the first advice I gave.
Amen
Student09,
given as a gift to another.I’m not talking about the good advice he received, I’m talking about the abuse and lack of charity he received. It’s obvious. Did it feel the same when you were offering good advice as when you slammed him? Did it feel the same while you were doing it? Did it feel like you were doing the right thing?
That’s not true, I am not looking for error. I can ignore slight changes in wording, but leaving out WHOLE PARTS of the Mass, such as the Agnus Dei, or not beginning Mass with the sign of the cross and not giving the final blessing, are difficult to ignore. Though I suppose other people are able to ignore them, or just don’t care. At the very least, it is not necessary to be looking for errors to notice errors like this.
If you have not experienced abuses like this at a parish, then please spend your time thanking God instead of accusing me of being at fault.“Slam him”? I made a statement about what the OP said, not about the OP. Try to be more discerning the next time you accuse someone of wrongdoing. I had no feelings when I wrote both statements beyond the desire to help. Sometimes treating people like children is more disrespectful than treating them as adults. I chose to respect the OP and not treat them like they can’t take any truth. Beyond someone accusing the OP of lying, I don’t see anything abusive in this thread. And the person who accused the OP of lying has a valid point (not that I agree), it just wasn’t worded in the best way. But I do appreciate that nice verbal jab you threw right after apologized to the OP, mildly unneccesary. Let me ask this, how did you feel when you posted it? But I grow tired of defending myself to you. I guess I just don’t really care what you think about me Veronica, so I don’t plan on responding further (at least to your posts).
I certainly never accused you of this. I said your anxiety is stemming from your perception or reaction to it (barring any other environmental stressors). Anyone who abuses the mass is a serious problem, but I was merely talking about your anxiety over reporting it.
Dswearin, Im sorry that this was part of your faith journey. Esp from a pastor. Events like this remind me of the scripture of Peter walking on the water towards Our Lord and doing just fine until he looks around and sees the waves around him. Then he begins to sink.
Again I ask why do you accept the OP at face value against the priests?