How can mandatory insurance coverage of contraceptives violate the religious rights of Catholics when 98% of sexually active Catholics have already be

[Bartolome_Casas]

Isn’t this kind of ironic, or hypocritical, or something like that?

Isn’t it sort of like someone who eats only at McDonalds’ or Dunkin Donuts suing McDonald’s or Dunkin Donuts for ruining their health?

For the last 40 years, about 98% of Catholics having sexual intercourse have been using contraceptives. Study after study shows this. This wasn’t happening because the federal or state government was forcing contraceptives on any Catholic.

I just don’t get it. And I don’t get that more Catholics don’t see how bizarre it is for certain Catholics to be outraged at the federal government over this matter.

Isn’t this like the proverbial “Elephant in the Room” that no one will talk about?

Why are some Catholics so fired up to take a stand against the federal government on this matter, but these same Catholics are never roused to indignation about the massive, widespread private purchase and use of contraceptives by Catholics?

 

[Corki]

First of all, the 98% number isn’t accurate.

Even the most progressive polls used a measure of anyone who self-identifies as Catholic who has ever used any form of contraception.

But who cares? The conscience protection is to keep those who actually adhere to Church teaching, and the Church herself, from having to participate in an activity that is morally wrong. It isn’t about those who don’t care about what the Church teaches.

Your premise is a little like saying that since almost everyone tells a lie at some point in their life, having laws against purjury are hypocritical.

 

[garn9173]

CDC shoots down the 99% claim.

stophhs.com/stop_hhs_mandate/obama-refuted-by-cdc-report-not-true-99-of-women-have-used-contraceptives-13-9-have-never-had-sex/

The definitive study of contraception use in the United States–which was produced by the U.S. government’s National Center for Health Statistics and published by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention–refutes the claim President Barack Obama made in a White House briefing on Feb. 10 that “nearly 99 percent of all women” have used contraception.

In fact, according to the study–which looked at the contraception use of American women between the ages of 15 and 44–13.9 percent had never had heterosexual intercourse, period.

Also, according to the study, 38.2 percent of American women age 15-44 said they did not currently use contraception.

 

[joclucsylv]

Isn’t this kind of ironic, or hypocritical, or something like that?

Isn’t it sort of like someone who eats only at McDonalds’ or Dunkin Donuts suing McDonald’s or Dunkin Donuts for ruining their health?

For the last 40 years, about 98% of Catholics having sexual intercourse have been using contraceptives. Study after study shows this. This wasn’t happening because the federal or state government was forcing contraceptives on any Catholic.

I just don’t get it. And I don’t get that more Catholics don’t see how bizarre it is for certain Catholics to be outraged at the federal government over this matter.

Isn’t this like the proverbial “Elephant in the Room” that no one will talk about?

Why are some Catholics so fired up to take a stand against the federal government on this matter, but these same Catholics are never roused to indignation about the massive, widespread private purchase and use of contraceptives by Catholics?

Our Church needs to stand by it’s truth. The Catholic Church doesn’t move with the world. She moves the world.

 

[LilyM]

First of all, the 98% number isn’t accurate.

Even the most progressive polls used a measure of anyone who self-identifies as Catholic who has ever used any form of contraception.

But who cares? The conscience protection is to keep those who actually adhere to Church teaching, and the Church herself, from having to participate in an activity that is morally wrong. It isn’t about those who don’t care about what the Church teaches.

Your premise is a little like saying that since almost everyone tells a lie at some point in their life, having laws against purjury are hypocritical.

Exactly, or that since nearly every driver breaks the speed limit at some point, the laws against speeding are hypocritical.

 

[Abu]

Bartolome Casas repeatedly opens posts that demean Catholicism by posting prejudices that have no relation to reality and to the teaching of the Popes, and the Bishops who teach with him. He appears to feel that faithful Catholics are wrong and have no reason or faith.

Now he can’t even see the massive onslaught against religious freedom much less distinguish that from the fact that many so-called “Catholics” practise contraception.

 

[Nate13]

Bartolome Casas repeatedly opens posts that demean Catholicism by posting prejudices that have no relation to reality and to the teaching of the Popes, and the Bishops who teach with him. He appears to feel that faithful Catholics are wrong and have no reason or faith.

Now he can’t even see the massive onslaught against religious freedom much less distinguish that from the fact that many so-called “Catholics” practise contraception.

Yeah…I thought he already asked this question before.

 

[opus101]

Your premise is a little like saying that since almost everyone tells a lie at some point in their life, having laws against purjury are hypocritical.

 

[sw85]

With “Catholics” like this/these, who needs enemies to persecute the Church?

 

[Polycarp1]

98% of sexually active Catholics? What about 100% of Catholics who have committed murder or 98% Catholics who have robbed banks? It doesn’t mean that 98% of Catholics are sexually active or fornicators. If 2 % of Catholics were fornicators then 98% of them would be a very small part of the whole Catholic Church.

 

[Leegal]

Isn’t this kind of ironic, or hypocritical, or something like that?

Isn’t it sort of like someone who eats only at McDonalds’ or Dunkin Donuts suing McDonald’s or Dunkin Donuts for ruining their health?

For the last 40 years, about 98% of Catholics having sexual intercourse have been using contraceptives. Study after study shows this. This wasn’t happening because the federal or state government was forcing contraceptives on any Catholic.

I just don’t get it. And I don’t get that more Catholics don’t see how bizarre it is for certain Catholics to be outraged at the federal government over this matter.

Isn’t this like the proverbial “Elephant in the Room” that no one will talk about?

Why are some Catholics so fired up to take a stand against the federal government on this matter, but these same Catholics are never roused to indignation about the massive, widespread private purchase and use of contraceptives by Catholics?

First, I don’t know if 98% of Catholics are using contraceptives. I don’t know who they asked and over what period of time.

Let’s say it’s correct. That 98% of Catholic individuals may use contraception or even get sterilized does NOT give the authority to the government to impose its will upon religious institutions and force the religious institutions to provide coverage for contraception and elective sterilizations. That puts the Church and its institutions in a precarious position. They teach one thing – but the government wants to force them to publicly support the use of that which they teach against. The Church cannot be put in a position of going contrary to teaching.

It would not matter if every Catholic used birth control and/or got sterilization. I dispute the numbers and have no way of knowing where they come from. But if every Catholic in the U.S. used contraceptives, the government of the U.S. cannot alter Church doctrine and impose force. And that’s the issue – whether the government can alter Church doctrine by forcing them to provide something that they teach against. The issue is not who is using or not using contraceptive – but who decides what the doctrine of the Church is – the Church or the federal government?

 

[Abu]

This shows the inanity of the fantasy imbibed and spread by Bartolome Casas.

No, 98% of Catholics do not use contraception
Thursday, Feb 16, 2012
glennbeck.com/content/blog/stu/no-98-of-catholics-do-not-use-contraception/

The study in question comes from the Guttmacher Institute. Here’s how they get the result:

1.  They didn’t count anyone that wasn’t a Catholic woman between the ages of 15-44.  Obviously, that eliminates everyone that might be too old or too young to be having sex.  But, it also eliminates tens of millions of people who are not too old to be having sex.

2.  They didn’t count anyone who was pregnant.  Obviously, the vast majority of these people were not using contraception.

3.  They didn’t count anyone who just gave birth.  Obviously, the vast majority of these people were not using contraception.

4.  They didn’t count anyone who hadn’t had sex in the last three months.  No, this doesn’t just eliminate ugly people.  It eliminates every non-married person who is listening to the Catholic church enough to not have sex outside of marriage.  In other words, the most likely group to be listening to the Catholic church about contraception.

5.  They didn’t count anyone who was trying to get pregnant, or was indifferent to becoming pregnant.  In other words, they eliminated the single most likely group to avoid contraception.

6.  They didn’t count anyone who was having sex, trying to avoid pregnancy, but also not using a specific contraception method.  I guess this would be the good ol’ “pull-n-pray”—which, incidentally–isn’t as religious as it sounds.

7. Two out of every five women in the survey were so incredibly Catholic that they either attended church services “less than once a month” or “never.” Never?

 

[prodigalson2011]

Isn’t this kind of ironic, or hypocritical, or something like that?

Isn’t it sort of like someone who eats only at McDonalds’ or Dunkin Donuts suing McDonald’s or Dunkin Donuts for ruining their health?

For the last 40 years, about 98% of Catholics having sexual intercourse have been using contraceptives. Study after study shows this. This wasn’t happening because the federal or state government was forcing contraceptives on any Catholic.

I just don’t get it. And I don’t get that more Catholics don’t see how bizarre it is for certain Catholics to be outraged at the federal government over this matter.

Isn’t this like the proverbial “Elephant in the Room” that no one will talk about?

Why are some Catholics so fired up to take a stand against the federal government on this matter, but these same Catholics are never roused to indignation about the massive, widespread private purchase and use of contraceptives by Catholics?

Bottom line: The laity does not determine Catholic doctrine. Catholic institutions must be loyal to the doctrine of the Church. To do otherwise would mean that the Church is willingly doing something that she believes will lead her adherents and others into sin (and Hell), and that is something she cannot do. Regardless of what the majority of her members think. The Church follows the teaching of Jesus as passed down by apostolic succession, not popular opinion.

 

[twoangels]

The issue is not so much about the individuals, as it is about people who believe contraceptives and sterilizations to be immoral being forced to pay for other people’s contraceptives. Since there are no copays or coinsurance, there is no portion of the cost that is solely the responsibility of the person getting the prescription contraceptive. Instead, everyone who pays into the plan through the premium (of which the employer pays 80% of), contributes to the money being used to pay for the contraceptives. If the employer does not offer insurance, the employer is then taxed. The tax money then goves to help fund Obamacare. Meanwhile your employees are legally required to still buy insurance. If they don’t, then they’re taxed and their tax dollars go toward Obamacare (though they get no benefit from it).

It would be like this this sort of sincero. A teacher is teaching at a Catholic school. It is a Friday during lent. The government has mandated that the school has a weekly pizza party every Friday. The teachers are mandated to pay for 80% of the cost of each peice of pizza. The students are required to pay for 20% of the cost of their slice of pizza. If they do not order a pizza, they will be required to pay dues to the pizza party board of their school. The board will then give that money to the pizza place anyway to encourage the pizza place to charge less money per pizza slice. The government insists that all pizzas be required to be Supreme Pizzas. Peperoni and other types of Pizzas simply do not exist anymore. If the students do not like the toppings, they can pick them off their individual slices. The Catholic school teacher (and the school he works for) are concerned about being required to pay for meat toppings on these pizzas. The kids don’t care much about lent anyway except for maybe a couple of kids who are more developed in their faith and actually take their faith seriously. A few kids might not even like cheese and veggie pizza anyway even though its Lent and may stand up to proclaim their support for supreme pizza on Fridays during lent. And again the statement is made over and over "If you want to abstain from meat, you don’t have to eat the slice of pizza you paid for or you can pick off the meat and then eat it.

The primary protest is in defense of the teacher’s right to not offer meat pizza on the government mandated pizza days. Obama’s solution is that the pizza place to directly contact the students advertising that the student can get the supreme pizza. The student just needs to indicate that they want a supreme pizza rather than a cheese pizza. Without this indication, they’ll just get cheese. Regardless though, the money paying for the supreme pizza still comes from the teacher’s 80% and the student’s 20%.

 

[Bwoman]

I am totally against Abortion!!! It is murder. However, I have for a long, long, time, after carefully listening to all sides, have come to the decision that “Laws” will not stop abortion. It will not stop until men and women realize that is is murder. It will not stop until Bishops, Priests, teachers of our youth in religion, teach what a horrible mortal sin this is. We need to hear it from the Pulpit in Sunday homilies, teach it in the religion classes. These days, you will not embarrass a 6th grader showing them a film on abortion. They know more and have seen more about sex than the teacher of the class or the Priest. Lets back off fighting whether a law will do this or that and get down to true teaching of the Church.

 

[Chris_bosch]

Think people! We are talking about the government taking away a basic right to choose. Whether you are talking about Catholic or not our government can not and should not ever be allowed to mandate what we will and will not purchase! I think your 98% is quite a bit off by the way, I would like to know what studies those were and how they were conducted, by whom and how many Catholics were involved.

 

[Abu]

Agreed. There is much that we need to hear from the Pulpits and from Bishops – this seems to be getting through gradually.

 

[PumpkinSeed]

You know, as sad as it sounds, the majority of them who are using contraceptives probably don’t know its wrong. You’d be surprised how many people call themselves Christian Catholics yet they don’t seem to know anything about what Catholics really even believe. Most people are what I call ‘just a label’. They may say they are something, but truly they know very little about it and don’t follow the lifestyle. Like somebody could say they are a Christian, yet never read the bible or go to church, but instead they go out doing drugs or having sex with people. See, being a Christian is not just about calling yourself one. It’s about living like one, and most people these days do not do that.

 

[Mountain_Spirit]

Two points to be made here:

First abortifacients are not contraception. The evil slight-of-the-hand by the Obama administration and their useful idiots is to shift the argument away from abortifacients (abortion inducing drugs) and sterilization to contraception.

The second point is that it does not matter if a significant percentage of those who call themselves Catholics are not faithful to the teachings of the Church. The teachings of the Roman Catholic Church and alll of its doctrines are based on the Gospel of Life and the example of Jesus Christ. Human weakness and fraility of a church’s members is not a sufficient reason the a government to force a church to violate its own core principles.

Amen.

 

[joclucsylv]

You know, as sad as it sounds, the majority of them who are using contraceptives probably don’t know its wrong. You’d be surprised how many people call themselves Christian Catholics yet they don’t seem to know anything about what Catholics really even believe. Most people are what I call ‘just a label’. They may say they are something, but truly they know very little about it and don’t follow the lifestyle. Like somebody could say they are a Christian, yet never read the bible or go to church, but instead they go out doing drugs or having sex with people. See, being a Christian is not just about calling yourself one. It’s about living like one, and most people these days do not do that.

But Pumkin seed they don’t know anybetter and it saddens me when these people are judged as a lesser Catholic. It is the fault of the church and priests and bishops for not being more straightforward about the church’s teaching on bc. We do not have a Catholic school in my area so the Catholic learns their faith from mass and going to CCD. In my experience, I never learned of the evils of contraception until coming to Catholic Answers. My mom did tell me bc was wrong but she is the only one who told me that while growing up. I dare say most Catholics of my generation and younger in my area of the world had no clue contraception was wrong before the HHS mandate went all over tv to which they were probably said,“huh…the church says contraception is wrong?”

Our church needs to do a better job in teaching it’s people.