How can Mary Save the World?

[ISABUS]

ekim61:

Here is the URL that I found the quote in.rosary-center.org/fatima.htm

It says Mary alone can save the world, You even said that in your last post. But other people say she can just read through the posts. If she can’t then why does it say she can?

Ekim61,

I’m a patient person. However, I am getting a sense (instinct) that you might be playing games with me. Doing a research study on us? Nowadays, it seems to be commonplace on the web cause it’s free. This is the information you’ve provided viewers about yourself:

Birthday:
January 28, 1961
Biography:
I am a fallen away cradle Catholic looking at coming back to the church.
Location:
Massachussetts
Interests:
Home breing and wine making, fishing and camping
Occupation:
manufacturing Technician at INTEL Corp.
Religion:
Christian, fallen away Catholic

From your profile I’d say you aren’t a young’n nor are you dumb. Perhaps sleepy since it was 2:30 am. MA time when you posted your message # 18 in response to my message #17. You might have had a bit of brew or wine in your tummy too! And what’s this A FALLEN AWAY CATHOLIC! Tisk, tisk. Intel Corp did it to you. Corporations will do that kind of stuff. I have friends at Intel. Ah, corporate Americans! Yee gads, hope you aren’t making the bloopers there like you are here. Let’s put that aside. If you are seriously looking to be friends with the Blessed Mother, it’s simple. Let her know you love her by spending alone time with her. Sure you can talk to her in the privacy of your car, home, wherever your heart desires. She’ll listen. Pretty soon, something will happen if you have an open heart.

Back to bussiness, this is your response (message 18) to my message #17. “It says Mary alone can save the world, You even said that in your last post. But other people say she can just read through the posts. If she can’t then why does it say she can?”

The url you’ve provided reads, ““Pray the Rosary every day in honor of Our Lady of the Rosary to obtain peace in the world . . . for she alone can save it.” Everyone can plainly see that we are missing text between the word’s ‘world’ and ‘for’. It doesn’t state what you have written, “It says Mary alone can save the world.” We can’t possibly know what 'she alone can save” because we can’t assume we know what the word “it” is referring to within the sentence from the website that you provided us.

Again! This is your response (message #18) to my message #17:
“It says Mary alone can save the world, You even said that in your last post. But other people say she can just read through the posts. If she can’t then why does it say she can?”

I never said Mary alone can save the world! I wrote, “She alone does not save the world.” As far as the rest of your statement goes, it’s uncomprehensible. It’s gibberish.

Ok. I’m done now. This was your lesson for the day. Don’t presume or assume you know what fills in the gaps between words!

Thanks.

 

[Todd_Easton]

Here’s my :twocents: …
Because of the preaching of the prophet Jonah, the city of Nineveh repented and turned to God and was saved from imminent destruction. So, in one sense, it could be said that the prophet Jonah “saved” the city of Nineveh. The situation with Mary at Fatima is the similar. In 1917 the world was ripe for destruction but God sent Mary to Fatima with a message of repentance and conversion to Jesus Christ, that, if implemented, would win a temporary reprieve of the end of the world, and Mary will have saved the world from imminent destruction, like Jonah had saved Nineveh.

Thus, the salvation spoken of in the Fatima message is temporal salvation not eternal salvation. The temporal salvation to be won by Mary for the world is only a temporary reprieve of the end of the world. However, one would hope that the reprieve of the end of the world would also allow time for more people to repent and turn to Jesus Christ and thus receive eternal salvation too.

 

[ekim61]

ISABUS:

Ekim61,

I’m a patient person. However, I am getting a sense (instinct) that you might be playing games with me. Doing a research study on us? Nowadays, it seems to be commonplace on the web cause it’s free. This is the information you’ve provided viewers about yourself:

From your profile I’d say you aren’t a young’n nor are you dumb. Perhaps sleepy since it was 2:30 am. MA time when you posted your message # 18 in response to my message #17. You might have had a bit of brew or wine in your tummy too! And what’s this A FALLEN AWAY CATHOLIC! Tisk, tisk. Intel Corp did it to you. Corporations will do that kind of stuff. I have friends at Intel. Ah, corporate Americans! Yee gads, hope you aren’t making the bloopers there like you are here. Let’s put that aside. If you are seriously looking to be friends with the Blessed Mother, it’s simple. Let her know you love her by spending alone time with her. Sure you can talk to her in the privacy of your car, home, wherever your heart desires. She’ll listen. Pretty soon, something will happen if you have an open heart.

Thanks.

Hey! Why the personal attack and accusations. You don’t know who I am and why are you posting my info here? So let me clear up a few things.

1. I am not doing a research study. I asked a question and it was answered in not so straight foward terms. Too much philosophy and not enough logic for my mind.
2. I am posting late because I work nights. I am not up drinking. I rarely drink and when I do my limit is 1.
3. Corporate America has done nothing to me. I have only worked for Intel for 4 years. I spent 20 years in the military, that’s when I stopped attendeing Catholic churches. It was the protestants who did it to me. I am trying to come back to the Catholic church and working through issues. That’s why I am asking these questions!

So if you are loosing patience then just don’t answer my thread. I am sure that there are plenty of people out there who will help me without judging me and making false accusations about me. It’s people like you who are keeping me from the church instead of helping me back too it.

Thanks for making me mad!

 

[ekim61]

ISABUS:

Ekim61,

Back to bussiness, this is your response (message 18) to my message #17. “It says Mary alone can save the world, You even said that in your last post. But other people say she can just read through the posts. If she can’t then why does it say she can?”

The url you’ve provided reads, ““Pray the Rosary every day in honor of Our Lady of the Rosary to obtain peace in the world . . . for she alone can save it.” Everyone can plainly see that we are missing text between the word’s ‘world’ and ‘for’. It doesn’t state what you have written, “It says Mary alone can save the world.” We can’t possibly know what 'she alone can save” because we can’t assume we know what the word “it” is referring to within the sentence from the website that you provided us.

Again! This is your response (message #18) to my message #17:
“It says Mary alone can save the world, You even said that in your last post. But other people say she can just read through the posts. If she can’t then why does it say she can?”

I never said Mary alone can save the world! I wrote, “She alone does not save the world.” As far as the rest of your statement goes, it’s uncomprehensible. It’s gibberish.

Ok. I’m done now. This was your lesson for the day. Don’t presume or assume you know what fills in the gaps between words!

Thanks.

OK part 2 of my reply.
I asked the question How can Mary alone save the world. The quote that I used was directly from the web site, I copied and pasted it.

Now I am probably not as smart as you so I don’t understand the long drawn out answer that you gave me.

**Everyone can plainly see that we are missing text between the word’s ‘world’ and ‘for’. **

If there is text left out, then what is it?

So I am guessing that the answer to my question is that Mary alone cannot save the world.

So why the missing text? What is supposed to be between the words World and For?

 

[ISABUS]

ekim61:

Hey! Why the personal attack and accusations. You don’t know who I am and why are you posting my info here?

[snip]

I am sure that there are plenty of people out there who will help me without judging me and making false accusations about me. It’s people like you who are keeping me from the church instead of helping me back too it.

QUOTE]

Father Peter just called me. He is a great friend whom I’ve known for over 20 years. He reads all my postings to this forum. He laughed at your comments above and reminded me once again how people like to attack Catholics by saying exactly what you have written to me. And that he [you] are only using Catholics as an excuse for not wanting to come back to the Church. He specifically told me, “Mary, you aren’t to swallow hook, line and sinker the fisherman’s bait. And remind him that he is more than capable of finding the answer to his own question on the Internet and sharing it with the group. Tell him I’ll do a mass for him on Monday and if he wants God enough in his life then all he needs to do is go into a Catholic Church when it is quiet and pray for guidance.” Amen! See how fortunate you are to have a wonderful priest enter your life and care enough to call me to tell you this. I guess God is wanting you to come home.

 

[MariaG]

“Pray the Rosary every day in honor of Our Lady of the Rosary to obtain peace in the world . . . for she alone can save it.”

I am not sure of the context, but one possible explanation is that in the private revelation of Fatima( I personally have not looked into it a lot) it was revealed that God has chosen to bring peace in the world but only through Our Blessed Mother’s prayers.

You must remember though, anything from Fatima, although it has been recognized by the Church as a valid apparition, we are not bound to believe in them.

Try focusing on those things that all Catholics are bound to believe. Once those things are understood, it may be easier to understand apparitions like Fatima.

Your sister in Christ,
Maria

 

[Hesychios]

AlanFromWichita:

does that have anything to do with Her heel on the serpent’s head?

Glory to Jesus Christ!

I wasn’t going to post anymore, a year on this board is quite enough thank you.

But I couldn’t let this one slide by.

The idea that Mary’s heel will strike Satan’s head is a mistranslation. Most people will know this but for those who do not, it can lead to some funky theology.

It is the seed of the woman, Jesus Christ our Lord who will crush the serpent’s head. Gen 3:15

Since the mis-wording appears primarily in older Catholic translations of Holy Scripture, one can guess the effect it has had over the years.

 

[carol_marie]

ISABUS:

ekim61:

Hey! Why the personal attack and accusations. You don’t know who I am and why are you posting my info here?

[snip]

I am sure that there are plenty of people out there who will help me without judging me and making false accusations about me. It’s people like you who are keeping me from the church instead of helping me back too it.

QUOTE]

Father Peter just called me. He is a great friend whom I’ve known for over 20 years. He reads all my postings to this forum. He laughed at your comments above and reminded me once again how people like to attack Catholics by saying exactly what you have written to me. And that he [you] are only using Catholics as an excuse for not wanting to come back to the Church. He specifically told me, “Mary, you aren’t to swallow hook, line and sinker the fisherman’s bait. And remind him that he is more than capable of finding the answer to his own question on the Internet and sharing it with the group. Tell him I’ll do a mass for him on Monday and if he wants God enough in his life then all he needs to do is go into a Catholic Church when it is quiet and pray for guidance.” Amen! See how fortunate you are to have a wonderful priest enter your life and care enough to call me to tell you this. I guess God is wanting you to come home.

Since when do we have to “find our own answers on the internet & share it with the group?” I thought the purpose of THIS forum was to get our questions answered. You have NO right to question anyone’s motives… and he has every right to ask whatever he wants. It sounds as if you are irritated… perhaps you should move along to another thread & allow others to address the issue.

 

[Scotty_PGH]

ISABUS:

Tell him I’ll do a mass for him on Monday …

Whatever that means.

You and “Father Peter” should quit laughing at people and try answering posts with some degree of charity.

 

[ekim61]

Thank you Carol Marie and Scotty PGH. I was wondering why these two are beating up on me for asking a question. I don’t know who they think they are.

 

[ISABUS]

Scotty PGH:

Whatever that means.

You and “Father Peter” should quit laughing at people and try answering posts with some degree of charity.

Hello Scotty PGH,

Your response above (message #28) is directed to several comments found within my message #25.

You appear to be asking me what did Father Peter mean when he said to me, “Tell him [ekim61] I’ll do a mass for him on Monday…” It simply means that Father Peter will offer a Mass for the intention of ekim61 because he realizes that ekim61 is ‘working through issues’ as noted in message #24. Usually a priest is given a stipend for doing this when asked by parishioners. In this case, Father is doing it stickly out of the kindness of his heart. He is deeply concerned about ekim61.

As soon as you asked me what was meant by doing a mass for ekim61, I suspected you might be new to the Catholic Church. Since I don’t feel comfortable writing to strangers, I always check to see what that person has previously posted to threads prior to responding. This allows me the opportunity to famaliarize myself with the person I’m about to have an exchange with. I suspect its from all those years I spent in corporate America when having to intermingle with many people from all levels within large companies. It has proven to be a useful tool, because I learned that you are a new convert to the Catholic Church as is ekim61 and carol marie. This is good news for all concerned.

You also commented to me, ‘“You and “Father Peter” should quit laughing at people and try answering posts with some degree of charity.”’ I never mentioned in my message #25 that “I” laughed at anyone! Please don’t accuse me of something I didn’t do. It was Father Peter who laughed. Why would you think it was a mean or cruel laugh? He is a priest for heavens sake! And you don’t know what he was laughing about. Furthermore, there are all degrees of laughter yet they are all joyous sounds. Perhaps you and carol marie (who I will reply to tomorrow) may wish to read or reread and think about all the exchanges ekim61 and I have had on this thread prior to deciding the level of charity that has been exchanged.

Thank you.

 

[ISABUS]

ekim61:

Thank you Carol Marie and Scotty PGH. I was wondering why these two are beating up on me for asking a question. I don’t know who they think they are.

Your comment is absolutely ridiculous! Why would a 58 year old priest and a 40 something year old woman (115 lbs.) want to “beat up” a guy that is 40 ++++ years old! Please get a reality check. I wish to remind you that I have contributed to your question on more than one occasion whereas Carol Marie and Scotty PGH haven’t even addressed that issue. Seems like they only want to harrass a wonderful priest and a nice lady.

Why don’t you relax and chill out. ( Oh, by the way, I KNOW WHO YOU ARE.)

 

[jimmy]

ekim61:

OK part 2 of my reply.
I asked the question How can Mary alone save the world. The quote that I used was directly from the web site, I copied and pasted it.

Now I am probably not as smart as you so I don’t understand the long drawn out answer that you gave me.

**Everyone can plainly see that we are missing text between the word’s ‘world’ and ‘for’. **

If there is text left out, then what is it?

So I am guessing that the answer to my question is that Mary alone cannot save the world.

So why the missing text? What is supposed to be between the words World and For?

I did a search for the statement and found that there are a couple different interpretations for it. There is the one that you gave and there is this one with the in between words.

“pray the rosary every day in honor of Our Lady of the Rosary to obtain peace in the world and the end of the war, because only she can obtain it"

I am not sure which one is correct, but this one seems to imply that she is not actually doing any saving, but she is asking God, or Christ, to save.

 

[jimmy]

The OP asked a question, it is our job to answer it. It was not an attack.

 

[ISABUS]

carol marie:

ISABUS:

Since when do we have to “find our own answers on the internet & share it with the group?”
I thought the purpose of THIS forum was to get our questions answered. You have NO right to question anyone’s motives… and he has every right to ask whatever he wants. It sounds as if you are irritated… perhaps you should move along to another thread & allow others to address the issue.

Might as well do this now and not wait till morning.

ME: It’s not charitable to accuse Father Peter or me of something we did not say. Neither of us said “find your own answers on the internet and share it with the group”. As stated in my message #25, Father Peter said, “And remind him that he is more than capable of finding the answer to his own question on the Internet and sharing it with the group.” I pray you can see the difference between what you have written and what Father Peter said. Please keep me out of this. You shouldn’t condemn someone who is innocent. I’ve personally found it to be fun doing research on the Internet because you don’t have to always rely on other people for information. It keeps you from getting lazy and dependent on others for the answers you seek. Research is a a tendious endeavor. Sharing information goes both ways. It’s learning about giving and receiving. This door swings both ways whether posting to boards or helping others in real life. Plus, it’s best to double check all the information anyway.

ME: I didn’t question anyone’s motives! What are you talking about? A question was asked and people answered and I was one of them. Unfortunately, the poster of the thread was playing with my words and not quoting me correctly time and time again. I definately thought he was playing mind games with me. I’m beginning to think you are too. Please stop. It’s not nice.

YOU: “I thought the purpose of THIS forum was to get our questions answered. You have NO right to question anyone’s motives… and he has every right to ask whatever he wants.”

ME: Wow, I really think you need to read again all that I posted before accusing me of something I wasn’t quilty of! Where did I write he doesn’t have the right to ask whatever he wants? I honestly think you are getting me confused with what Father Peter said to tell ekim61, " And remind him that he is more than capable of finding the answer to his own question on the Internet and sharing it with the group." The word is CAPABLE. What’s bothering you, you aren’t used to a priest giving advise to an individual? By the way, haven’t you seen ‘all’ that I’ve posted that would be considered to be helpful answers?

ME: I think you popped in and twisted the meaning of what was written as did ekim61. It’s documented if you care to look.

ME: It sounds as if you are irritated… perhaps instead of suggesting I move along maybe you should move along to another thread & allow others to continue addressing the issue (question at hand) which you have so far failed to do.

ME REPEATING FOR THE SAKE OF PROSPERITY: From your ‘one’ post on this thread you haven’t contributed anything useful as far as I am concerned except to hijack it. You haven’t supplied an answer to the question asked by the poster of the thread ekim61. All you have done is shown a frightful example of irrational behavior in a “PUBLIC” forum for NO reason at all except to make a spectacle of yourself for reasons that are unjustifiable and in the process accuse a priest and myself of things we didn’t say. Perhaps it is you who may wish to consider locating to a more gracious and charitable light. I hope you will understand that I don’t wish to debate this further with you.

You’re pregnant with four kids!? You must have a hectic life. Congratulations!

Thank you.

 

[ISABUS]

jimmy:

The OP asked a question, it is our job to answer it. It was not an attack.

I KNOW WHO YOU ARE TOO! You guys are crawling all over the net! YOU are 100 percent correct, asking a question is not an attack of the gremlins! haaaaa, too funny!

 

[carol_marie]

ekim61:

Thank you Carol Marie and Scotty PGH. I was wondering why these two are beating up on me for asking a question. I don’t know who they think they are.

You are welcome. I see that you are new to the forums. The vast majority of people who post here are kind & willing to answer your questions. Occasionally, there are those who seem to make matters worse, rather than help. Those posters I just ignore & you’ll keep your blood pressure in check if you do the same.

I am sorry that I am not able to answer your question about Mary. I am very new to the Catholic Faith myself & would prefer to let someone much more versed in the subject address your concerns.

I read that you said you were considering returning to the Catholic Church? I pray that God puts many people in your path to help you along on your journey. I have found such peace and joy here and I pray that you are able to as well.

God Bless,
CM

 

[Scalia]

Mary is the Arc of the Covenant. The Arc, which preceeded the Jews in battle, was powerful because it held the word of God within it. Scripturally, we see the following:

2 Samuel 6:2 "Then David and all the people who were with him set out for Baala of Judah to bring up from there the ark of God, which bears the name of the LORD of hosts enthroned above the cherubim."

Luke 1:39 "During those days Mary set out and traveled to the hill country in haste to a town of Judah"

2 Samuel 6:9 "David feared the LORD that day and said, ‘How can the ark of the LORD come to me ?’ "

Luke 1:43 "And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me ?"

2 Samuel 6:11 "The ark of the LORD remained in the house of Obed-edom the Gittite for three months, and the LORD blessed Obed-edom and his whole house."

Luke 1:56 "Mary remained with her about three months and then returned to her home."

2 Samuel 6: 14, 16 "Then David … came dancing before the LORD … As the ark of the LORD was entering the City of David, Saul’s daughter Michal looked down through the window and saw King David leaping and dancing before the LORD, and she despised him in her heart."

Luke 1:44 "For at the moment the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the infant in my womb leaped for joy."

2 Samuel 6:21-23 "But David replied to Michal: ‘I was dancing before the LORD. As the LORD lives … not only will I make merry before the LORD, but I will demean myself even more. I will be lowly in your esteem, but in the esteem of the slave girls you spoke of I will be honored.’ "

Luke 1:46-48 "And Mary said: ‘My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord; my spirit rejoices in God my savior. For he has looked upon his handmaid’s lowliness;
behold, from now on will all ages call me blessed.’ "

The Ark is powerful. Cf. Fall of Jericho Joshua 6: 1-20
Joshua 6:2-20 "And to Joshua the LORD said, ‘I have delivered Jericho and its king into your power. Have all the soldiers circle the city, marching once around it. Do this for six days, with seven priests carrying ram’s horns ahead of the ark. … When they give a long blast on the ram’s horns and you hear that signal, all the people shall shout aloud. The wall of the city will collapse, and they will be able to make a frontal attack.’ Summoning the priests, Joshua, son of Nun, then ordered them to take up the ark of the covenant with seven of the priests carrying ram’s horns in front of the ark of the LORD."

The Ark is holy because of what it contains. Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant. Revelation 11:19-12:5 "Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant could be seen in the temple. There were flashes of lightning, rumblings, and peals of thunder, an earthquake, and a violent hailstorm.
A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.
… She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod. Her child was caught up to God and his throne."
NAB

 

[space_ghost]

oh, probably by simple request…

… and i am sure her son would be happy to honor any request she would make of him…

…don’t forget, free will… we really do have it in our power to save this world if we would only try…

 

[ISABUS]

carol marie:

You are welcome. I see that you are new to the forums. The vast majority of people who post here are kind & willing to answer your questions. Occasionally, there are those who seem to make matters worse, rather than help.

Thank you Carol Marie, I see you are in agreement with me. It’s very important to read the thread in its entirety before slandering innocent people, such as a priest and myself who have spent our time and energy ‘productively’ contributing to this thread.

Posters who just pop-in to spit vitriol aren’t charitable. I’ve noticed though they do tend to come back and pretend they never said anything rude, but the majority of our ‘reading’ audience knows the truth when they take the time to read everything that has been written on threads. Honestly, I avoid rude people like the plague because you can’t have an intelligent conversation with them. They don’t have good manners, their emotions fly out of their mouths in public, and rarely do they appologize to those they offend. They obviously have difficulty comprehending the structure of a sentence which results in them responding erratically and inappropriate fashion.

THINK before YOU write Carol Marie, that’s my motto!

Best luck on your pregnancy!