pro choice in the way the term has been corrupted in our usage of the term, means choosing either life or abortion is perfectly fine & if one chooses the death of their unborn , is just fine & LEGAL in our system. NO CONSEQUENCES legally, for ending the life of the unborn IN THE SECULAR SENSE… except for Catholics. For Catholics it is a criminal act, a grave sin against the moral law . HERE note: in particular #2272 & 2332phil19034:
Pro-choice isn’t pro-abortion.
Not propaganda, history. Read it. Sinful? Yes. Gravely sinful? No. Not until 1869. Explicitly.
Wrong. Try againSbee0:
Not propaganda, history. Read it. Sinful? Yes. Gravely sinful? No. Not until 1869. Explicitly.
I may be–in YOUR opinion–interpreting these passages wrongly. But I am NOT distorting them–far from it, I’m not paraphrasing, I’m quoting! And I said explicitly in another post that I recognized that the author(s) of this document were not thinking of fertilized eggs when they wrote it–but I suggested that they SHOULD have been thinking of fertilized eggs. My purpose was simply to find some Church document that went into some detail as to what a “human being” was. This was what I came up with. If you can find another Church document that deals with the definition of “human being” then please post it (with a web address).
Taking the life of another is not an objective evil?
And therein lies the blindness. Setting aside the idea of a soul, since they cannot know if they themselves have a soul, or if that matters. Their thought of what constitutes a human being is a thought without evidence in any fact. If they could prove that at a certain point this thing is not a human, then the pro-choice position would not be correct. However, the burden of proof must be on them. It is a matter of law that the law errs on the side of protecting a child.
Well, you’re wrong. They are totally different. Pro-abortion means that I am personally in favor of abortion. I am not. Pro-choice means I think every woman should make her own decision as to the morality of abortion in her own situation. I have no right to deprive women of their absolute right to moral choice. (See the catechism section I posted on freedom of choice.) I am pro-choice.
Well, if the document says that one sign of being human is having gender, a fertilized egg has no gender. Logical conclusion: the fertilized egg cannot be human since it has no gender. QED.
@Erikaspirit16
The Didache (“The Lord’s Instruction to the Gentiles through the Twelve Apostles”). II, 2, translated by J.A. Kleist, S.J., Ancient Christian Writers , Volume 6. Westminster, 1948, page 16.
Yep.Erikaspirit16:
@Erikaspirit16
This is not true.
Read this: https://www.ewtn.com/library/PROLENC/ENCYC043.HTM
As a matter of fact, what you list here is listed as a lie of “pro-choice” Catholics. The lie is credited to Canadian psychiatrist Wendell W. Watters in his 1970 Compulsory Pregnancy: The Truth About Abortion
Proof that the Church has ALWAYS believed that abortion is a grave sin, is the fact that it’s in the Didache.
The Didache (“The Lord’s Instruction to the Gentiles through the Twelve Apostles”). II, 2, translated by J.A. Kleist, S.J., Ancient Christian Writers , Volume 6. Westminster, 1948, page 16.
It appears you are the one who pulled from propaganda history.Sbee0:
Not propaganda, history. Read it. Sinful? Yes. Gravely sinful? No. Not until 1869. Explicitly.
But pro-choice only refers to abortion does it not? Are there any other evils a person can visit upon another person that should be a matter of choice?
This is scientifically not true.VanitasVanitatum:
Well, if the document says that one sign of being human is having gender, a fertilized egg has no gender. Logical conclusion: the fertilized egg cannot be human since it has no gender. QED.
So now Transgender people who don’t identify with any gender aren’t human and can be killed? Not very strong PR message for 2019