How can pro-choice Catholics seriously call themselves practicing Catholics?

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That’s probably true, although it’s probably not an embryo any more by the time most women know that they’re pregnant.
 
Thorolfr said:
That’s probably true, although it’s probably not an embryo any more by the time most women know that they’re pregnant.
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I don’t know… I think the mother-child bond would probably have a lot to do with it. A mother calling their unborn child “it” or “embryo” would seem too cold to be realistic… 🙂
 
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Sbee0 said:
I don’t know… I think the mother-child bond would probably have a lot to do with it. A mother calling their unborn child “it” or “embryo” would seem too cold to be realistic… 🙂
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If someone doesn’t use “it” for a baby before they know what sex it is, what other pronoun would they use?
 
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Using a pronoun to determine whether someone is human or whatever is silly.
 
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Certainly, if one does not believe in souls in the sense that Catholics do, that would be correct. In fact, there would be no purpose in treating humans differently from any other creature. That has always been true.
 
I assume you are as proud to be bringing scandal upon your faith, your parish and your pupils?

Sad . … actually.
 
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Ridgerunner said:
Certainly, if one does not believe in souls in the sense that Catholics do, that would be correct. In fact, there would be no purpose in treating humans differently from any other creature. That has always been true.
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Or maybe we should start treating other creatures better than we do.
 
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Maybe we need to have a visual audio display by the doors before we enter into church. That will be the day – right? Beautiful song –


after you pass this photo – it gets better – no idea why this happened.
 
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There’s no real reason to do so other than preference.
 
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Here are some quotes from eugenics activist and Planned Parenthood Founder, Margaret Sanger that might explain the evil thoughts from the pro-abortionists:

Margaret Sanger said about her 1939 , “We do not want
word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and
the minister is the man who can straighten out the idea if it ever
occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”

Clarence Gamble, president of the American Eugenics Research
Association, said, “There is a great danger that we will fail because
the Negroes think it a plan for extermination. Hence lets appear to
let the colored run it as we appear to let [the] south do the
conference in Atlanta.”[2] Under this policy, Planned Parenthood of
America hired a full-time “Negro Consultant” in 1944.

The entire operation [Sanger’s 1939 Negro Project] then was a ruse–a
manipulative attempt to get Blacks to cooperate in their own
elimination.

The project was quite successful. Its genocidal intentions were
carefully camouflaged beneath several layers of condescending
social-service rhetoric and organizational expertise. . . Soon
clinics throughout the South were distributing contraceptives to
Blacks and <Margaret’s dream of discouraging “the defective and
diseased elements of humanity’ from their 'reckless and irresponsible
swarming and spawning” was at last being fulfilled.>
“Margaret Sanger is responsible, more than anyone else, for keeping
alive international racism. She played the attractive hostess for
racist thinkers all over the world. Organizing the First World
Population Conference in Geneva in 1926, she invited Clarence C.
Little, Edward A. East, Henry Pratt Fairchild, and Raymond
Pearl–all infamous racists.”
link:
http://www.ewtn.com/library/prolife/ppracism.txt
 
Thorolfr said:
I’ve never seen any examples in print of an embryo being called “who”.
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I don’t know what people do or how they feel emotionally. But using pronouns like he, she, or who would be accurate and correct. Embryos do are separate individual organisms and do have a sex.

To paraphrase a famous pro-lifer, when I was pregnant with my son, I didn’t have a penis. He did.
 
HomeschoolDad said:
I can’t quite put my finger on it — does this hit a nerve with them that they’re not willing to volunteer?”.

Let me be clear that my heart goes out to any poor woman who has chosen an abortion. Very often they do it out of fear or ignorance, especially if they are young and unmarried. What’s done is done, and I have to hope that mercy outweighs justice here.
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Exactly. " I can’t put my finger on it." There is a void in their heart. I’m guessing they don’t want to look at it. I’m not qualified to counsel someone about it. I hope they can experience healing.
 
Thorolfr said:
Considering that a lot of animals get abused, you think that how they are treated should just be up to individual preference?
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I most certainly agree with you on this, for the exact same reason I agree in the right of the government to limit abortion. The government might allow either under the auspice of “choice.”
 
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1cthlctrth said:
Here are some quotes from eugenics activist and Planned Parenthood Founder, Margaret Sanger that might explain the evil thoughts from the pro-abortionists:
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The claim that Sanger was a racist does not have any real support and the quote you have given is taken out of context.
Those who point a finger at Sanger as a racist often cite a particular statement in claiming she harbored ill will toward black people. In a Dec. 10, 1939, letter, she wrote that “We don’t want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs.”

But PolitFact Georgia debunked those who would read the statement as something sinister.

“Sanger’s correspondence shows this sentence advocates for black doctors and ministers to play leadership roles in the Negro Project to avoid misunderstandings. Lynchings and Jim Crow laws gave blacks good reason to be wary of attempts to limit the number of children they bore. In Harlem, she hired a black doctor and social worker to quell those fears,” the article says.

She attracted an impressive roster of supporters, including [W. E. B.] DuBois; Mary McLeod Bethune, founder of National Council of Negro Women; and the pastor of the Abyssinian Baptist Church. Eleanor Roosevelt also backed the effort.

“For Sanger to launch a genocidal plot behind their backs and leave no true evidence in her numerous writings would require powers just shy of witchcraft,” the PolitiFact piece notes.
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www.politifact.com

Did Margaret Sanger believe African-Americans "should be eliminated"?

Despite being dead for 49 years, Margaret Sanger, founder of the organization that became Planned Parenthood, has a way
www.politifact.com www.politifact.com
 
Nicene said:
That’s because the 8 cell and zygote arguments are straw men. No baby has ever been aborted at those stages because a baby hast even become an embryo until it implants.
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Agree basically with this.
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women typically don’t find out they are pregnant til they miss one or two periods.
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Depends on the woman and whether she pays attention to her body and whether she has regular periods, but I don’t know if this is generally true. A cheap home pregnancy test can usually detect pregnancy a few days before a missed period, and certainly by the day of the missed period. I don’t think too many women are so slow in detecting pregnancy that they would miss two whole periods before it occurs to them (unless, as mentioned, she has irregular cycles or something).
 
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Thorolfr said:
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1cthlctrth:
Here are some quotes from eugenics activist and Planned Parenthood Founder, Margaret Sanger that might explain the evil thoughts from the pro-abortionists:
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The claim that Sanger was a racist does not have any real support and the quote you have given is taken out of context.
Those who point a finger at Sanger as a racist often cite a particular statement in claiming she harbored ill will toward black people. In a Dec. 10, 1939, letter, she wrote that “We don’t want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs.”

But PolitFact Georgia debunked those who would read the statement as something sinister.

“Sanger’s correspondence shows this sentence advocates for black doctors and ministers to play leadership roles in the Negro Project to avoid misunderstandings. Lynchings and Jim Crow laws gave blacks good reason to be wary of attempts to limit the number of children they bore. In Harlem, she hired a black doctor and social worker to quell those fears,” the article says.

She attracted an impressive roster of supporters, including [W. E. B.] DuBois; Mary McLeod Bethune, founder of National Council of Negro Women; and the pastor of the Abyssinian Baptist Church. Eleanor Roosevelt also backed the effort.

“For Sanger to launch a genocidal plot behind their backs and leave no true evidence in her numerous writings would require powers just shy of witchcraft,” the PolitiFact piece notes.
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PolitiFact | Did Margaret Sanger believe African-Americans "should be eliminated"?
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Polifact is a left leaning “fact checker”- they are not unbiased.

As for Sanger - she addressed the women’s wing of the KKK. (From her biography I believe ).

Other than one being a white supremacist there really isn’t any reason one might want to address or associate in any way with the Klan.
 
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And I’ve never heard a pregnant woman at any stage refer to “my embryo” or “my fetus.” Ludicrous!
 
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