How can the Church tell me how to have sex?

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I don’t know how to answer the question from a friend: “how can the Church tell me how can and can’t have sex with my wife?”

I have said that b/c our bodies belong to God and we have to use them for His glory. Please help.
 
God can tell you what you can and cannot do with your body and sexuality because he created you and sustains you in existence. He is the author of life and the author of marriage.

God entrusts the Church with the mission of teaching His divine law and sanctifying through his Sacraments.
 
I don’t know how to answer the question from a friend: “how can the Church tell me how can and can’t have sex with my wife?”

I have said that b/c our bodies belong to God and we have to use them for His glory. Please help.
I would turn this around. The Church is not in the business of handing out sex manuals. There is no step by step guide of how to engage in sex authored by the Catholic Church. Rather teaches us to strive to develop our consciences to recognize sin even as it finds expression in sexual behavior. The Church affirms for us that the procreative nature of sexual activity is a positive thing, and that there is something wrong in approaching sex with an attitude that it is a negative thing. We are permitted educate ourselves about our fertility and to use that knowledge to make decisions as to whether we will engage in sex or not.

Other than that, we are to strive for deeper unity and intimacy in our marital relationships through sex. We aren’t to use each other for selfish gain, but our to approach each other in authentic love.

Hopefully this will turn the discussion away from “what authority does the Church have” to “Why does the Church think this sort of behavior stems from lust?” “How does this objectify my wife?” etc. These are the questions that help to form a conscience. The “How can the Church tell me” is only a rhetorical question that isn’t seeking an answer at all. If you don’t see the rhetorical point the person is trying to make, any answer you give will just come across as “you’re not getting it.”
 
I don’t know how to answer the question from a friend: “how can the Church tell me how can and can’t have sex with my wife?”
Last time I checked, the parts only fit a certain way and it wasn’t the Church that came up with it.
 
I don’t know how to answer the question from a friend: “how can the Church tell me how can and can’t have sex with my wife?”

I have said that b/c our bodies belong to God and we have to use them for His glory. Please help.
side track the conversation. How can this same Church tell you this is His Body?. To me it seems your friend has a misunderstanding of authority.
 
I don’t know how to answer the question from a friend: “how can the Church tell me how can and can’t have sex with my wife?”
I don’t know… The same way an auto body shop might correct me in the care of my automobile? If I want to run my car down ragged, drive it around like a maniac, then get all huffy that its not working when I want it to and when I need it to and not in the great way it did before, then I need to stop and listen to someone who** knows** how it is supposed to be run.
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I guess that is what I would say.   God is the author.. He knows how things are supposed to be used and run.    The Church just speaks for God.
Is your friend talking about the issue of birth control? Because that is all I can think that he’s upset about. (In what other way other than being monogamous and steering clear of porn could he be talking about?) Maybe dive into that issue more as that sounds like what your friend needs to hear about: Why birth control is wrong.
 
I don’t know how to answer the question from a friend: “how can the Church tell me how can and can’t have sex with my wife?”

I have said that b/c our bodies belong to God and we have to use them for His glory. Please help.
The only thing the Church really says is that sex should be unitive and procreative.

a) Unitive…this really just means that sex should be enjoyable for both spouses and strengthens the marital bonds. I assume your friend does not object to that. It is worth highlighting that the Church teaches explicitly that sex is meant to be enjoyable; this was God’s intention for married people.

b) Procreative…this is the one most people object to. Even many faithful Catholics who understand, or merely assent to, Church teaching find this difficult. It is what it is. Ed provided the relevant link to read. Others have discussed the Church’s teaching authority. Catholics who have a problem with Church teaching in this matter have a far greater problem to tackle: What does it mean to be Catholic? Why should I submit to the Church? If I don’t submit to the Church, where does that leave my faith?
 
I would turn this around. The Church is not in the business of handing out sex manuals. There is no step by step guide of how to engage in sex authored by the Catholic Church. Rather teaches us to strive to develop our consciences to recognize sin even as it finds expression in sexual behavior. The Church affirms for us that the procreative nature of sexual activity is a positive thing, and that there is something wrong in approaching sex with an attitude that it is a negative thing. We are permitted educate ourselves about our fertility and to use that knowledge to make decisions as to whether we will engage in sex or not.

Other than that, we are to strive for deeper unity and intimacy in our marital relationships through sex. We aren’t to use each other for selfish gain, but our to approach each other in authentic love.

Hopefully this will turn the discussion away from “what authority does the Church have” to “Why does the Church think this sort of behavior stems from lust?” “How does this objectify my wife?” etc. These are the questions that help to form a conscience. The “How can the Church tell me” is only a rhetorical question that isn’t seeking an answer at all. If you don’t see the rhetorical point the person is trying to make, any answer you give will just come across as “you’re not getting it.”
Good answer, this. Open to love, respectful of neighbor, but with the weight of Truth like a sledgehammer behind it.
 
So the bottom line is, sex because you enjoy it, or is fun to do is an absolute no-no unless there is intention to procreate?
 
So the bottom line is, sex because you enjoy it, or is fun to do is an absolute no-no unless there is intention to procreate?
Where did you get that? The Church does not require an* intention* to procreate. The requirement is that the act must be open to the possibility of new life.

Women who are already pregnant or past menopause can have sex. I highly doubt there is an intention to procrate there.
 
Where did you get that? The Church does not require an* intention* to procreate. The requirement is that the act must be open to the possibility of new life.
You are correct. I should have said “open to the possibility” rather than “intention.”
Women who are already pregnant or past menopause can have sex. I highly doubt there is an intention to procrate there.
Yes, they may have sex. But “open to the possibility” is still a factor.

*"And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

For with God nothing shall be impossible."* -Luke 1:26-27

Though it is unlikely they would conceive there is that “possibility”.

Now, back to my original question. Recreational sex simply because it feels good is forbidden if you are not “open to the possibility”. Now, “open to the possibility” is not necessarily the same as “aware of the possibility.” A couple of newlyweds may want to start a family but not right away. Are they forbidden to have sex (using any means necessary - short of ABC - to thwart a pregnancy?) just because it pleasures them? They may be aware that it could happen, though they would rather it not happen.
 
Now, back to my original question. Recreational sex simply because it feels good is forbidden if you are not “open to the possibility”. Now, “open to the possibility” is not necessarily the same as “aware of the possibility.” A couple of newlyweds may want to start a family but not right away. Are they forbidden to have sex (using any means necessary - short of ABC - to thwart a pregnancy?) just because it pleasures them? They may be aware that it could happen, though they would rather it not happen.
From the catechism:

*2368 A particular aspect of this responsibility concerns the regulation of procreation. For just reasons, spouses may wish to space the births of their children. It is their duty to make certain that their desire is not motivated by selfishness but is in conformity with the generosity appropriate to responsible parenthood. Moreover, they should conform their behavior to the objective criteria of morality:

When it is a question of harmonizing married love with the responsible transmission of life, the morality of the behavior does not depend on sincere intention and evaluation of motives alone; but it must be determined by objective criteria, criteria drawn from the nature of the person and his acts criteria that respect the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love; this is possible only if the virtue of married chastity is practiced with sincerity of heart.156

2369 "By safeguarding both these essential aspects, the unitive and the procreative, the conjugal act preserves in its fullness the sense of true mutual love and its orientation toward man’s exalted vocation to parenthood."157

2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality.158 These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, “every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible” is intrinsically evil:159 *

vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm

So to answer your question, it is perfectly acceptable for a couple to have sex for fun as long as they don’t deliberately deprive the act of its procreative end, and have just reasons for avoiding pregnancy at the time.

“Just reasons” is for the couple to prayfully decide. A newlywed couple may have just reasons for delaying pregnancy (eg to finish a degree perhaps) and so can have “recreational” sex - a better way to put it is unitive sex - but must not deliberately rob the act of its procreative nature, through ABC for example or other means (coitus interruptus).

Does that answer your question?
 
He and his wife need to copulate on days when she can’t get pregnant. It’s called NFP, fully endorsed by the Church. Simple as that.
 
He and his wife need to copulate on days when she can’t get pregnant. It’s called NFP, fully endorsed by the Church. Simple as that.
Have you ever actually tried NFP? You can’t schedule lovemaking like it is a doctor’s appointment or a business meeting. There’s no guarantee the “moment” will happen during the woman’s period of infertility. There is no point in doing it if your mind is not ready even if your body is.

NFP is a joke.
 
Have you ever actually tried NFP?
Yes, and it was wonderful.
You can’t schedule lovemaking like it is a doctor’s appointment or a business meeting.
Of course you can. In fact, I remember seeing something years ago on television that claimed scheduling increased anticipation. Scheduling also means other things are less likely to get in the way.
There’s no guarantee the “moment” will happen during the woman’s period of infertility. There is no point in doing it if your mind is not ready even if your body is.
Goodness, you make us sound like animals in heat who have no control over ourselves instead of dignified human beings capable of making choices.
NFP is a joke.
Let me ask you a simple question.

Did God design human biology?

Please note that this is a yes/no question, so please answer either yes or no.
 
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