How can u prove god

[fruitloops_10]

I’ll be praying for you humble spirit

 

[Vincent]

Gottle of Geer:

BTW: God can’t be proved - God can be known only by faith and hope and love.

I wonder if that is accurate. The First Vatican Council taught,
“The same Holy mother Church holds and teaches that God, the source and end of all things, can be known with certainty from the consideration of created things, by the natural power of human reason : ever since the creation of the world, his invisible nature has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made.”

 

[duboisd31]

Can someone tell me where in Scripture where sin is
catigorized ? Where is Venial and Mortal sin mentioned or even implied in Scripture ?

The Romish church invented this The next time you see a priest
ask him where this is mentioned in the CONTEXT of scripture.

He will probable get upset with you, for asking because he dosent know.

let see what the word of God says concerning the Romish Church.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
7. And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Question < Which Church sits on the 7 hills ?
** Answer… The encyclopedia says that ROME is the**
** only city on earth built on 7 hills**

Question…what Church on earth is designated by **
** purple,and scarlet. decked with gold etc.
** the golden cup (chalice)**

Answer …I rest my case
Dennis

 

[puzzleannie]

how kin u pruv thairs no God?

 

[mercygate]

duboisd31:

Can someone tell me where in Scripture where sin is
catigorized ? Where is Venial and Mortal sin mentioned or even implied in Scripture ?

I John 5:16-17: If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal. (RSV)

KJV: If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

 

[Vincent]

Question < Which Church sits on the 7 hills ?
** Answer… The encyclopedia says that ROME is the**
** only city on earth built on 7 hills**

Wait a minute, you just quoted Scripture earlier, and it said “mountains”. Now you’re changing it to “hills”. There’s a difference between the two, you know.

And which encyclopedia are you referring to? This one mentions 31 cities.

Question…what Church on earth is designated by
purple,and scarlet. decked with gold etc.
the golden cup (chalice)

As Jimmy Akin wrote, white is the main color of Catholic vestments, and “God commanded that scarlet yarn and wool be used in liturgical ceremonies (Lev. 14:4, 6, 49–52; Num. 19:6), and that God commanded that the priests’ vestments be made with purple and scarlet yarn (Ex. 28:4–8, 15, 33, 39:1–8, 24, 29).”

 

[amarischuk]

## God is infinitely good and merciful - therefore, there is a Hell for the impenitent.

This is a faulty syllogism.
Gottle of Geer:

Our faith may be a myth - but it is far more heartening, far more fruitful in goodness, far profounder and rich in ideas, than despair is. Despair is a very great evil - goodness is not evil And goodness points back beyond itself, to God the supremely Real and supremely Good. In fact, strictly speaking, God alone is really Real, really Good. Our myth is not a myth - it is a true myth, the Myth that actually happened. It is the only thing that has happened, really. We are mere fables in comparison with the solidity of Christ. He is the story-teller - we are characters in search of our Author.

Edward O Wilson will agree that religion is a myth, but a myth which aids in the survival of our species and hence is beneficial. The only problem with that is if it is only a myth, then by what stardard have we decided what is beneficial (other than the survival of the species)? But the presupposistionalist argument that the survival of the species is beneficial has no firm grounding.
Gottle of Geer:

BTW: God can’t be proved - God can be known only by faith and hope and love.

This is contrary to long-standing Catholic teach. From Paul’s letter to the Romans to Leo’s encyclical Aeterni Patris it has been maintained that the existence of God can be proven through the use of reason.

Perhaps someone should have bothered to read Humble Spirit’s profile where he states he is Catholic. Don’t worry Humble Spirit, the index librorum prohibitum is no longer in effect and it never should have been.

Don’t settle for reading apologists on one side of the debate. Read Russell, read Ayer, read Hume and Kant, read Dewey, James, Whitehead, Satre and Nietzsche. And when you are done them read Norris Clarke, Etienne Gilson, Frederick Copleston and Jacques Maritain. But especially remember not only to read, but read critically and understand them. In other words Study them.

Adam

 

[mercygate]

amarischuk:

Don’t settle for reading apologists on one side of the debate. Read Russell, read Ayer, read Hume and Kant, read Dewey, James, Whitehead, Satre and Nietzsche. And when you are done them read Norris Clarke, Etienne Gilson, Frederick Copleston and Jacques Maritain. But especially remember not only to read, but read critically and understand them. In other words Study them.

Adam

. . . and then go and kill yourself. :whacky:

(sorry – couldn’t resist!)

 

[kayla]

Faith is a Gift from God…if you don’t have faith you most likely will never beleive there is a God.

I’ll pray that someday you will have it.

 

[Ecce_Homo]

mercygate:

I John 5:16-17: If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal. (RSV)

KJV: If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

Great quote!

Also, when Jesus is before Pilate, he tells Pilate that his sin is less than that of the Jews. While this does not distinguish between mortal and venial sin, it does provide evidence for different gravities of sin. Indeed, one person can be more culpable than another for the same offense, given amount of knowledge and degree of consent.

 

[CosmosOmnicrap]

There’s no need to prove God’s existence, for God proved that he exists through the Lord Jesus Christ. If that isn’t enough, then, both God and Jesus proved their existence through the long history of the Church by appearing to many of her saints. The miracles the saints have worked in the name of Jesus also attest to the existence of God. I’m aware that those who don’t believe in God will reject visions and miracles also, but then, there is no bigger blind than he who doesn’t want to see!

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

i like what bertrand russel says that jesus was morally corrupt since he said that there was ahell,no good person would say such a yhing.and everlasting hell torment.i arecommend free thinkersd every where to read bertrand rusels book why i am not a christian.he makes alot of sence christianity is for weak minded people.people who r very ignorant.we owe it to humanity to search deeply for the right answers, and not rely on fables and myths.

Since I have an IQ of 170, your argument is dismissed as wishful thinking.

But, if one wanted to prove the existence of God one need only look at the first and second laws of thermodynamics,

Entropy and Causality used as a proof for God’s existence

The second law of thermodynamics states that the amount of energy in a system that is available to do work is decreasing. Entropy increases as available energy decreases. In other words, the purely natural tendency of things is to move toward chaos, not order, and available energy necessary for work is lost (mostly as heat) in this process. Eventually, the universe will run down and all life and motion will cease. This is the natural tendency of all things. Batteries run down, machines break, buildings crumble, roads decay, living things die, etc. Left to the natural state, all things would eventually cease to function.

The universe is not infinitely old because it has not “run down.”
If the universe were infinitely old, it would have reached a state where all usable energy is gone.

But, we are not in this state; therefore, the universe is not infinitely old and must have had a beginning.

Because the universe has had a beginning it is not infinite in size.
It would require an infinite amount of time to become infinite in size. Since the universe had a beginning, it has not had an infinite amount of time to expand; therefore, it is finite in size.

All events have causes.

There cannot be an infinite regress of events because that would mean the universe were infinitely old.

We’ve already established the universe cannot be infinitely old.
If it were infinitely old, the universe would be in a state unusable energy, which it is not.

If it were infinitely old, the universe would be infinitely large, which it is not.

Since the universe is finite and had a beginning and there cannot be an infinite number of regressions of causes to bring it into existence, there must be a single uncaused cause of the universe.

A single uncaused cause of the universe must be greater in size and duration than the universe it has brought into existence.
Otherwise, we have the uncaused cause bringing into existence something greater than or equal to itself.

Any cause that is natural to the universe is part of the universe.
An event that is part of the universe cannot cause itself to exit.

Therefore, there must be an uncaused cause outside the universe.

An uncaused cause cannot be a natural part of the universe which is finite.

An uncaused cause would be infinite in both space and time since it is greater than which it has caused to exist.

An uncaused cause would be separate from the universe.
Being separate from the universe, which was caused to be, it would not be subject to the laws of the universe since it existed independent of the universe and its laws.

This would mean that entropy need not be required of the uncaused cause.

This uncaused cause is supernatural.

By supernatural is meant completely ‘other’ than the universe and is not the product of it.

This uncaused cause must be incredibly powerful to bring the universe into existence.

The Bible teaches that God is uncaused, is not part of the universe, created the universe, and is incredibly powerful.
God’s existence (in Christianity) is not an event, but a state.

Psalm 90:2 says that God is God without a beginning.

This means that God is uncaused.

Therefore, the God of the Bible is the uncaused cause of the universe.

carm.org/atheism/entropy.htm

Basically Science can not prove that something came into existence from nothing using current scientific laws. No one has ever witnessed such a thing. Therefore, the only other possible explaination at this time is supernational beginning or non-scientific origin of the universes.

 

[VociMike]

In the first place, nobody will take you or your arguments seriously until you get a better mastery of written communication.

In the second place, since God is our explanation for the universe, life and everything, and since you seem to deny that explanation, then it falls upon you to offer your better explanation for the universe, life and everything (and your explanation must meet the same standards of proof and evidence that you would demand of us). If you have no better explanation then you can have no legitimate objection to our explanation. Just please don’t say “I can’t offer an alternative explanation, I just know it wasn’t God.” That is a patently foolish assertion.