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There might be health benefits in reducing the consumption of meat from what most people eat. But consider this.

1/3 of the planet’s habitable surface is suitable for nothing but grassland. You can’t grow crops on it. The only way to derive food from it is to run that grass through a cow, goat or sheep. Ranching uses very little energy compared to crop growing. Massively less. But the energy utilization climbs when cattle are grain fed (“finished”) at the very end, for 80-120 days, though it still doesn’t compare with the crop-growing for human consumption. That’s to get more fat into the meat, and it’s called “marbling”. Aussies don’t do that. They eat totally grass-fed beef, mutton, etc, and prefer it. Vegans would actually REDUCE energy consumption if they backed up on the vegan diet and ate more meat…so long as it is grass-fed.
That’s a good point. I think some cattle in the U.S. (like in Wisconsin) are almost totally corn-fed, while in Texas and Florida they are partly grass-fed ((corn-fed tastes better)).

But it’s not just the crops they eat that contributes GHGs, but also their digestive system and CH4, so that might make them more GHG/unit of protein or calorie intensive than vegetarian diets (but I’m not sure). That is the problem with rice – the CH4 releases from paddy fields.

Chickens, by contrast, are totally grain fed, and some of that is from soy fields in Brazil that multinationals strong-armed away from the peasants who used to own them and are now destitute without a subsistence base. There are hidden social justice issues involved.

I think pigs are also grain-fed in horrid conditions that cause a lot of pollution.

Also the farmers, ranchers, and fed-lot businesses could (and a few do) turn the manure into biogas energy and fertilizer (which is actually a better soil amendment once the CH4 is extracted), instead of polluting their vicinities.

I think another issue is the cruelty involved in livestock raising, and esp slaughtering. I remember seeing a video of a Chicago slaughterhouse where they chain the legs of the cows, hoist them up and cut them up alive. They showed a “downed” (sick, frothing at the mouth) cow that couldn’t walk from the train to the slaughterhouse, so they chained the leg and dragged it all the way, hoisted and cut it up…feces and all falling all over the meat, etc. If you thought the “pink slime” series on ABC News was disgusting, it was nothing compared to that video I saw.

Not that I’ve totally given up all meat & dairy, maybe about a 80-90% reduction…like once a week or once in two weeks I’ll have some pizza with pepperoni, or an egg roll or hot & sour soup with a bit of meat, or occasionally some fish plate at Red Lobster (my husband’s favorite restaurant, which doesn’t have much by way of vegetarian selections).
 
That’s a good point. I think some cattle in the U.S. (like in Wisconsin) are almost totally corn-fed, while in Texas and Florida they are partly grass-fed ((corn-fed tastes better)).

But it’s not just the crops they eat that contributes GHGs, but also their digestive system and CH4, so that might make them more GHG/unit of protein or calorie intensive than vegetarian diets (but I’m not sure). That is the problem with rice – the CH4 releases from paddy fields.
Undoubtedly some cattle are almost entirely grain fed in places that are not really suited to cattle raising but in which farmers feed their “waste” corn. In more temperate places like where I live (Southern Mo) cattle are entirely grass-fed all the way to “feed lot” weight, which is pretty close to slaughter weight. They are fed “grain” for 80 to 120 days for the “marbling”. Since the recent trend is to feed less, feed lots now pay higher per pound for animals that are closer to slaughter weight than they used to. Breed makes a big difference in that, but far and away most of the weight is put on with grass.

Other than perhaps northern farmers who feed their own otherwise unmarketable grain to cattle, (and even that is usually a corn silage that contains the stalks and leaves as well)competent cattlemen do not feed significant amounts of grain to cattle. You will lose your backside doing that. Cattle do not need grain in order to thrive and grow, and it’s a terrible waste of money to give it to them all the way to feedlot weight.

I put “grain” in parentheses because they really aren’t fed much real grain in the feed lots. Most of it is a formula in which the main protein ingredient is actually distillers’ grain; grain from which the alcohol has been distilled and extracted, and which is good for almost nothing else. It’s mixed with things like rice hulls, soybean hulls and the like. The corn that’s used is usually of a variety or quality that is not marketable for human consumption.

I am aware that cattle contribute some methane to the atmosphere through belching and such. But we might remember that before white settlers arrived in this country, the country contained approximately as many buffalo as it now contains cattle. Their digestive systems are the same. That does not count the enormous number of elk, antelopes and deer that were there before, and whose digestive systems are virtually the same. So, cattle add no net methane to what was produced here in 1491, and probably less.

What would happen if we destroyed all the cattle? Well, nature abhors a vacuum and, unless it was prevented, the grasslands would fairly quickly refill with other animals having the very same digestive systems, and there would be no net methane reduction unless the government forever sent out teams to eliminate grass-eaters from the grasslands.

And, of course, 1/3 of the world’s useable land would become totally useless to human beings. Humans would leave them, of necessity, and the killing teams would have to be fairly substantial in number. We can’t digest grass, period.

Grass, of course, is a net “eater” of carbon, particularly if something eats it and converts the carbon to something like meat instead of just leaving it to decay. But few natural things capture carbon better than “adolescent trees”. Some grasslands (but certainly not the biggest part) can be converted to “silvopasture”, in which pasture is interspersed with trees (usually, but not necessarily in rows). The advantages are better grass growth, less drought damage, heat respite for cattle and (if one likes the thought) carbon sequestration.

There is some crop land where I live, though it is mostly grassland and forest. The energy (name removed by moderator)uts into crops are incredibly high. Energy (name removed by moderator)uts into grass are very low, almost nonexistent, depending on how you do it.

Yes, energy is consumed and CO2 generated when hay is harvested and stored. But that’s still not remotely comparable to what it takes to simply prepare the ground for a crop, let alone sow, spray, spray again, havest, haul, etc. And, in some places, (like here) the climate is such that, if you do it right, you might feed hay for only a couple of weeks/year.

Not saying all ranching practices are good. But perhaps the emphasis from an environmental standpoint ought to be on encouraging the best practices. Meat from grass contributes a very large segment of the world’s high-quality food supply, and when it comes to cattle, it’s pretty environmentally friendly.
 
Chickens, by contrast, are totally grain fed, and some of that is from soy fields in Brazil that multinationals strong-armed away from the peasants who used to own them and are now destitute without a subsistence base. There are hidden social justice issues involved.

I think pigs are also grain-fed in horrid conditions that cause a lot of pollution.

Also the farmers, ranchers, and fed-lot businesses could (and a few do) turn the manure into biogas energy and fertilizer (which is actually a better soil amendment once the CH4 is extracted), instead of polluting their vicinities.

I think another issue is the cruelty involved in livestock raising, and esp slaughtering. I remember seeing a video of a Chicago slaughterhouse where they chain the legs of the cows, hoist them up and cut them up alive. They showed a “downed” (sick, frothing at the mouth) cow that couldn’t walk from the train to the slaughterhouse, so they chained the leg and dragged it all the way, hoisted and cut it up…feces and all falling all over the meat, etc. If you thought the “pink slime” series on ABC News was disgusting, it was nothing compared to that video I saw.

Not that I’ve totally given up all meat & dairy, maybe about a 80-90% reduction…like once a week or once in two weeks I’ll have some pizza with pepperoni, or an egg roll or hot & sour soup with a bit of meat, or occasionally some fish plate at Red Lobster (my husband’s favorite restaurant, which doesn’t have much by way of vegetarian selections).
Chickens are, indeed, totally grain fed. They’re efficient, but that’s a fact. Hogs are too, though the quality of it is less than that which is fed to chickens.

I realize there are awful pictures of meat processing plants. I am at a loss to explain them, because I have been in poultry processing plants and pork processing plants myself, and neither bears any resemblance to the films one sometimes sees on TV.

I have not been in a beef processing plant, but mean to do it. (They’re at some distance from here) My general understanding from at least one beef processing company is that the process is very similar to that for hogs. If so, it’s not like you have been informed. I’ll see when I go there.

Keep in mind that the USDA is in all of those plants, lots of USDA people. Again, I can’t tell you about cattle, but I do know that if either a chicken or a hog is contaminated with feces, it is condemned and goes into pet food. I have seen that with my own eyes.

USDA also has “animal cruelty” rules, and they enforce them. I have read the rules for poultry processing, but have not read those for pork or beef. Probably, eventually, I will. But among the poultry rules is that the animal must be unconscious when killed and the killing process must result in immediate bleed-out. No live animal or animal with blood still in it can proceed beyond that point, and there are USDA people who enforce it. If you have ever been in a poultry plant you know they do it. Kind of interesting, because virtually all chicken is “kosher” in reality, except for the prayers, the rabbinical inspection and the certification, and as near as I can tell, all of it is “halal” as well, except for the clerical inspection and certification. In fact, I was more than once in a poultry plant with a “kosher” line and the only difference between it and “non-kosher” lines was the presence of the rabbi at the former.

I don’t mean to be difficult, but I have also been in pork growout (and poultry growout) facilities. Hogs stink, no question about it. But the facilities are as scrupulously clean as you can get hogs to be. Hogs will catch almost any human disease and they have to be kept clean or the hogs will die in droves, and quickly. Also, despite the fact that there are “factory farms” for hogs, most of them in this part of the country have shut down and most hogs are now raised by individual farmers, but according to stringent specs required by the integrators.

Finally, let me at least mildly caution you about the meat in things like pepperoni, soup, highly processed foods of all kinds. The meat in them is from “cull” animals almost without exception. Get a good steak or roast from a good store instead. That’s the best of the best.
 
Undoubtedly some cattle are almost entirely grain fed in places that are not really suited to cattle raising but in which farmers feed their “waste” corn. In more temperate places like where I live (Southern Mo) cattle are entirely grass-fed all the way to “feed lot” weight, which is pretty close to slaughter weight.
In Wisconsin the issue is this – during winter there is not a lot of grass to forage, since it’s covered in snow, so they grow crops of low grade corn for the cattle. I tried eating that corn; it tastes bad. However, that beef is the most delicious you can ever imagine…and my husand has the scar down his chest to prove it.

Anyway, he decided to take his cholesterol quota in shrimp (which he really loves) decades ago when we didn’t know that shrimp had some benefit in its Omega3. But now with gout, he’s down to simply fish, with shrimp occasionally, and is talking about going vegetarian 2 days a week. (He grew up vegetarian in India, and has a pathological aversion to chicken, but eventually came to love beef and pork.) So we’re muddling along trying to eat more healthy – for us and the environment.

We also need to lose weight…for both reasons.
 
In Wisconsin the issue is this – during winter there is not a lot of grass to forage, since it’s covered in snow, so they grow crops of low grade corn for the cattle. I tried eating that corn; it tastes bad. However, that beef is the most delicious you can ever imagine…and my husand has the scar down his chest to prove it.

Anyway, he decided to take his cholesterol quota in shrimp (which he really loves) decades ago when we didn’t know that shrimp had some benefit in its Omega3. But now with gout, he’s down to simply fish, with shrimp occasionally, and is talking about going vegetarian 2 days a week. (He grew up vegetarian in India, and has a pathological aversion to chicken, but eventually came to love beef and pork.) So we’re muddling along trying to eat more healthy – for us and the environment.

We also need to lose weight…for both reasons.
There are hazards to eating just about anything. Personally, while I occasionally eat marbled beef if I’m in a restaurant, which is rare, my wife and I almost never eat it. Too much fat. I do like all-grass-fed. Only thing is, there’s not enough fat in it to fry the meat. Have to put a little olive oil or something in the pan to keep it from sticking. But it’s flavorful in its own way. Strange to tell, the most flavorful, to my thinking, is beef from a year-old bull. Not tough, but very flavorful.

Seafood has its merits and its negatives. Some people are horribly allergic to some kinds of it. Improperly cooked, one can get parasites from it. Some of it is mercury-tainted.

There’s just no perfect thing. Even organic vegetables can be hazardous because they’re usually fertilized with manure. Might be just fine, but you can get a hefty case of e coli or salmonella with it.

Some places in the U.S. are just not suitable for cattle to be raised the “right” way. Even if the cattle in Wisconsin could get to the grass, it won’t be green. Here, we’re fortunate to be in both the “green fescue belt” where it stays green all winter, and the “bermuda belt” where warm-season grasses flourish in the summer. That’s not to say people can’t work out all-grass forage in other places. There is a formula for many places, and they’re not all the same. You just have to find it and do it. Also, breed matters a lot, as to the quality, climate and forage conditions.

All interesting stuff to me. It has been fairly recently that ranchers have gotten really serious about alternatives to old “one size fits all” formulas.
 
Good stewards also involves giving charity to those in need AND reducing one’s harm to other people to whatever extent feasible. Living prudently and frugally, so one has some extra $$ to donate to charity and to implement measures that would reduce one’s harm to others.
I can agree with this.
And if you haven’t got a halfenny, then God bless you. And I’d suggest becoming an environmentalist so as to save pennies and $$ and get onto the road to prosperity 🙂
I propose agreement that the prior mentioned lights are an example of placing a theorized benefit over economic soundness.
 
I can agree with this.

I propose agreement that the prior mentioned lights are an example of placing a theorized benefit over economic soundness.
Well, I suppose I can’t talk about the whole economy, only that we’ve saved many meny $1000s by doing the EC (environmentally correct) thing, except that I see a lot of people doing wasteful things, perhaps not realizing it is costing them.

A really good book that suggests our economy can indeed reduce its energy consumption and GHG emissions by more than 75% without lowering productivity is Hawken and Lovins (an engineer) NATURAL CAPITALISM. See natcap.org and it’s very cheap on Amazon.com. It’s a great book and suggests various principles for reducing, such as “tunneling through,” which can reduce energy consumption even by 90% without lowering productivity, giving actual examples of how companies have done that.

Even if they are over-optimistic, I’m sure our economy could reduce its GHG emissions at least by 40% through energy/resource efficiency/conservation, and then another 10-20% through alt energy. That’s a done deal, if people and companies would only go for that easily reachable gold ring…
 
Well, I suppose I can’t talk about the whole economy, only that we’ve saved many meny $1000s by doing the EC (environmentally correct) thing, except that I see a lot of people doing wasteful things, perhaps not realizing it is costing them.

A really good book that suggests our economy can indeed reduce its energy consumption and GHG emissions by more than 75% without lowering productivity is Hawken and Lovins (an engineer) NATURAL CAPITALISM. See natcap.org and it’s very cheap on Amazon.com. It’s a great book and suggests various principles for reducing, such as “tunneling through,” which can reduce energy consumption even by 90% without lowering productivity, giving actual examples of how companies have done that.

Even if they are over-optimistic, I’m sure our economy could reduce its GHG emissions at least by 40% through energy/resource efficiency/conservation, and then another 10-20% through alt energy. That’s a done deal, if people and companies would only go for that easily reachable gold ring…
Looks like a potentially interesting book. But one might sound at least two cautionary notes about things like 75% reductions in emissions. First, it is recognized that reductions in this country will not significantly affect worldwide CO2 levels. This country is already the least offending in that regard, considering the energy used. Second, energy use has a direct correllation with production of goods and services. U.S. energy consumption, as a percentage of worldwide consumption, almost exactly equals its percentage of worldwide production. It takes energy to make and grow things, and there might not be any “magic bullet” way to reduce energy use or emissions.

What’s “tunneling through”?
 
While there is debate raging on in the non-scientific community about whether anthropogenic global warming is a reality, popes and bishops have called us to take the prudent course of mitigating it, even if we personally are not convinced it is happening.

I’d like this thread to address sensible ways we can mitigate global warming – reduce our greenhouse gases – and not as a place to discuss whether or not AGW is happening (there are plenty of threads on CAF addressing that).

For starters I’d propose ways in which we can become more energy/ resource conservative/efficient and go on alt energy when feasible. Things like “reduce, reuse, recycle, etc.” My own experience tells me we can reduce substantially without lowering living standards or productivity. My husband and I have done so over the last 22 years, reducing perhaps over 60% of our GHGs from our 1990 levels cost-effectively, while actually increasing our living standards a bit.

Already someone on another thread has informed us that the “check engine” light in our cars may indicate gasoline is not burning efficiently, causing local pollution problems and contributing to AGW. Another person on another blog mentioned how shaking out clothes before putting them in the dryer shortens drying time and reduced energy use. There are a myriad of sensible solutions that if practiced wide-scale could make some difference. It is not necessary to do everything, only the things that suit the personal situation of the person, including their recreations (which we all need to avoid going berzerk).

Also, I think many solutions not only reduce GHG emissions, but reduce other environmental pollutants and problems (such as non-renewable resource depletion), and many save money – so it becomes a win-win-win-win situation.

There are also “downsides” to many solutions, so it is good to try and figure out if on balance they do more good than harm, or if there could be solutions to the problems the solutions raise.

BTW, I am against food-to-fuel biofuels, Cap & Trade (mainly bec it would be ineffective), and many ill-conceived geo-engineering schemes. I’m not opposed to larger GHG reduction schemes in general, but tend to prefer volunatry personal/family measures, which in the final analysis will be the main way we solve this problem, if we decide to solve it.

On a final note, I think it is within Catholicism to live a more simple, detached life, focused more fully on God, than on not-God things. As a lay Carmelite (OCDS), this is a position dear to my heart – even though my life is cluttered with not-God things, and I have a long way to go on my spiritual journey.

Bless you for any suggestions or debate over various solutions.
I run the A/C on my SUV at the max and keep the door opens so it can cool the outside. 😃

Yesterday I was waiting for my son to get out of school and I knew that he was running late so I parked in the shade and turned the engine off. Next to me there was a mom in a BMW SUV with all the windows closed and the engine running, she kept the engine running for a whole hour. In the shade with the breeze going through the open windows my car was at no more than 78F. I was tempted to tell her something but you never know what to expect from parents parked in front of a Catholic school.
 
Well, I suppose I can’t talk about the whole economy, only that we’ve saved many meny $1000s by doing the EC (environmentally correct) thing, except that I see a lot of people doing wasteful things, perhaps not realizing it is costing them.
Agreed. Microeconomics.

The country is too large to try to consider all of the economics there, and we do not have the right to impose decisions upon our neighbors.

This should be about saving the most for the individual household.

For me, this is a careful study of more efficient methodology and the possible ROI for it. for instance, I utilize CF lights where possible. Not because I am looking to save the environment, but because I see a significant cost savings.

Others may wish to factor into the ROI environmental factors, I do not understand the reasoning, but I also do not really concern myself with something that is their business.
 
I run the A/C on my SUV at the max and keep the door opens so it can cool the outside. 😃

Yesterday I was waiting for my son to get out of school and I knew that he was running late so I parked in the shade and turned the engine off. Next to me there was a mom in a BMW SUV with all the windows closed and the engine running, she kept the engine running for a whole hour. In the shade with the breeze going through the open windows my car was at no more than 78F. I was tempted to tell her something but you never know what to expect from parents parked in front of a Catholic school.
An advantage my van has here.
On a hot day, thew heat can accumulate easily, but if I open both sliding back doors, the interior air rapidly leaves and the entire vehicle cools faster.

That and I have multiple AC units.
 
The single most effective thing you can do to reduce your carbon footprint is to not have children. In fact, if you believe in AGW, then I firmly believe that you are obligated to not have children.

I quote Al Gore - Possibly the world’s foremost leader on the climate change movement:
Third World Nations are producing too many children too fast… It is time to ignore the controversy over family planning and cut out-of control population growth
Sir James Lovelock - another highly-respected authority on climate change
The big threat to the planet is people… there are too many
I also quote the following article:
usnews.com/science/articles/2009/11/18/un-fight-climate-change-with-free-condoms
The battle against global warming could be helped if the world slowed population growth by making free condoms and family planning advice more widely available, the U.N. Population Fund said Wednesday.
And believe me, this is one list that goes on and on…

If you have accepted climate change as an issue of morality and believe climate change experts when they say that we need DRAMATIC emmissions reductions to avoid a global catastrophy, then you are obligated to do EVERYTHING in your power to reduce your carbon footprint (not just using the curly lightbulbs and walking to work). As a climate change believer, how can you justify having children when you know that in a few short years they will be producing at least as much CO2 as you currently are? As a catholic who believes in climate change, how can you possibly justify following church teaching and being open to having 8, 10, 12 children (even if you drove a monster truck to work every morning with AC on you wouldn’t be producing even close to as much CO2 as a large Catholic family will be).

The science is either right or wrong… You either accept it or you do not. The climate change experts believe that this issue is 100% settled, so I can’t understand why somebody who supports this theory would believe that it’s ok to have children while the rest of the world should be reducing its populaton. If this is truly an issue of morality (like all moral issues) you have to either be on the boat or off the boat and I think this calls directly into question the Catholic view on being open to life (which of course comes from the Catechism which is a morally infallible document).

As a warning, if you choose to be “on the boat” on this issue and make reducing emmissions the focus of your life, then I truly believe that you run a significant risk of damaging (and possibly losing) your catholic faith.
 
It would be good for us all to find ways to reduce our need for air travel.
No, I think it is better for the big mouth hypocrites like Al Gore and Obama to cut down on their jets. They talk the talk, but don’t walk the walk.
ACCT said:
October 11, 2004

Debt

Debt is a huge time bomb. The United States is the greatest debtor nation in the history of mankind. Senator John Kerry highlighted the problem of deficit spending in the Presidential debates. He said that President Bush “added more debt to the debt of the United States in four years than all the way from George Washington to Ronald Regan put together.” The government also does not count the billions that they borrow from the Social Security Fund, or increased funding for the war in Iraq. Additionally, the average credit card debt in America is at a record $8,500. Household mortgage debt is also at an all time high. By any standard, we are in the middle of the greatest debt bubble of all time.
Meanwhile while the Senator is awfully quiet about Obama’s deficits, which added more in THREE YEARS than Bush did in EIGHT.
 
Sell your house and car. Buy a tent and a bicycle. It’s time to get serious.
 
Sell your house and car. Buy a tent and a bicycle. It’s time to get serious.
I’m too old for that. I did, however, have a bicycle for several decades up until 2002, and I would use it to offset driving to places nearby – work (6 blocks away), store/doctor/dentist (4 blocks away), etc. I remember seeing a woman who would ride her bike to the train station, then take the train into her work. Where I live now there are problems and issues, tho there is a bike club and the ride all around town, even around several continguous towns…

There are some dangers riding bikes, so I would not suggest it to everyone. OTOH, bike riding can give healthy exercise and also reduce crime and wear&tear on roads (reducing taxes), etc. And I found it spiritually uplifting. Walking is also good.

There are many other ways to reduce our car fuel consumption: such as living close to work/school/shops when feasible, running multiple errands (planned out to reduce fuel consumption the way UPS does), hypermile* (which can easily increase mpg by 5 or even 10), keep tires inflated/engines tuned. See: gasolinecreditcards.com/ecotrekker/2008/03/04/the-ultimate-guide-to-hypermiling-100-driving-and-car-tips-and-resources/ and cleanmpg.com/cmps_index.php?page=hypermiling

A little prayer has helped me to follow these little ways of environmental healing: “My God I offer Thee this day all I think and do and say, to united with what on earth was done by Jesus Christ Thy Son.” And in the beginning I used keep in my mind’s vision a starving African “madonna and child”; so as to remind me for whom I was doing these little things – like carrying a hanky to wipe hands in public restrooms, or taking reusable bags to the stores, etc. Mother Teresa said it doesn’t matter how small your deed, as long as it is done with love, love makes it infinite.

Now at long last, having saved many $1000s over the past 4+ decades (when we started reducing in the 70s so as to save resources for future generations), we have been able to buy a Chevy Volt, and are now plugging it in and driving on 100% wind-powered electricity.

Many little steps can add up.

*Before getting my Chevy Volt a few months ago I was a pretty rash driver…always running late so I’ve jam on the accelerator and weave through traffic, cursing the slow-pokes, etc. Now with the little green ball which indicates efficiency in accelerating and decelerating, I’ve really changed a lot…maximizing my miles per range…and it’s having a positive affect on my personality, as well.
 
facebook.com/notes/west-antarctic-ice-sheet/proposal-for-the-creation-of-a-quebec-provincial-currency-unit-to-save-coastal-c/373261199364486
Proposal for the creation of a Quebec provincial currency unit to save coastal communities from threat of rising ocean levels
In my opinion it is going to cost trillions of dollars to do what needs to be done to protect towns like Truro, and Antigonish, Nova Scotia from the consequences of the cracking and sliding of a large part of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and the land based Greenland Ice Pack into the ocean.

The province of Alberta attempted to create its own provincial currency unit during The Great Depression but enormous pressure was exerted to ensure that their experiment in monetary policy was unsuccessful.
"Not “Funny money”
Following the 1937 Social Credit backbenchers’ revolt, the party attempted to implement its radical populist policies, such as the issuance of prosperity certificates to Alberta residents (dubbed “funny money” by detractors) in accordance with the theories of Silvio Gesell. Douglas, the originator of the Social Credit movement, did not like the idea of prosperity certificates which depreciated in value the longer they were held, and openly criticized Gesell’s theories.[1]

Early in their term, the Socreds tried to pass two bills that would have placed the province’s banks under government control. However, Lieutenant-Governor John C. Bowen refused to grant Royal Assent to the bills. The Supreme Court of Canada subsequently ruled the legislation unconstitutional because only the federal government can legislate on banking."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_Social_Credit_Party

The province of Quebec seems to be in much better position to create its own provincial currency unit without facing the massive backlash from the financial community and federal government that Alberta experienced.

Dr. James Hansen has stated that the last time that global temperatures rose by three degrees ocean levels rose by 25 meters over four centuries. Canada and the world are NOT yet prepared for ocean rise of one meter every twenty years.

Nearly one hundred million people in Bangladesh alone will become climate change refugees in the event of merely a one meter rise in ocean levels!
 
Investing in turning deserts green would also be a wise response especially in consideration of how vulnerable we are to the collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet which is below sea level.
It seems foolish to me to attempt to turn the desert green.

No one knows what exactly the ecological impact would be for this.
 
It seems foolish to me to attempt to turn the desert green.

No one knows what exactly the ecological impact would be for this.
The Eastern U.S. coast would see the demise of numerous species that live along the coast as the beaches eroded away due to a lack of sand blowing over the Atlantic to replenish them.

Anyone who wants to green the Sahara should go walk across it first. Then tell me how reasonable you think that plan is. It’s only fair, the people who advocate such things are usually the ones who like to tell you that you have no right to comment on something unless you have direct experience with it.
 
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