How come archeologists cannot find a trace of..?

[mfbukowski]

bukowski knows I kid.

Becca knows I do too. We fight enough to be married to eachother. But I don’t believe in polygamy even if she does.

 

[mfbukowski]

Secular archaeologists say they don’t agree with Bible apologists responses with Bible difficulties, because archaeology is supposed to be falsifiable with publicly verifiable research; they say Bible apologists make it unfalsifiable by how they reason. The Bible apologists don’t set up predictions saying, “If this really isn’t a problem for the Bible, we prediction we’ll find this observation archaeologically later down the road; if we don’t find the prediction then that means that part of the Bible is false.” Bible apologists don’t do that, and so secular archaeologists call them pseudoarchaeologists.

Likewise, Book of Mormon apologists come up with similar reasons why things aren’t anachronisms, just like the Bible apologists do.

That’s part of my critical thinking. If the Book of Mormon needs to stand on it’s own with archaeology, well the Bible as a whole sure doesn’t. Big segments of it may, but as a whole it doesn’t. Everything before King David’s time doesn’t, parts off and on throughout the Old Testament after that conflict with archaeological evidence. The nativity event from the New Testament has some serious problems (Matt says Herod was around at the time of Jesus’ birth; Luke says all the world was taxed or registered; those who study history say Herod died 10 years before the event of all the world being registered; etc.)

But you know what? These people are incapable of even understanding your arguments, it is a waste of breath and time.

 

[PaulDupre]

PS there is no planet cobal. You can’t even get that right.

He was refering to the planet Cobal in Battlestar Galactica, a TV series which was created and written by Mormons. The planet Cobal is a panache of Kolob, where the Mormon god is from.

 

[mfbukowski]

I really appreciate the enthusiasm you put into your posts here. Your biggest problem with your theory is that DNA has PROVEN THAT NOBODY has come from the middle east and settled in the americas. Your own mormons even proved that and has since been removed from your community. DNA can locate lineage down to ONE PERSON! Sorry the bom is proven as fiction and I don’t see much of a future for its members but the one true Church…The Roman Catholic Church.

Irrelevant. Answer these – plenty about DNA here. I have answered it and so have the others.
fairlds.org/apol/ai105.html

 

[mfbukowski]

hi, first, guess what, the reason we know the dating of the cities you mention is because they exist. For instance, in the case of Jericho, it was dated to within a 100 years of the Biblical time frame. Since the Bible has never claimed to be a historical record, I’d say this is more than good enough for me.

Second, we know it is the city of Jericho because the archaeological evidence supports this fact.

The city of Jericho is not a metaphor. It is really real.

Tell me, where is the city of Zarahemla, and where is the archaeological support for the location?

Read this fairlds.org/apol/ai105.html

 

[mfbukowski]

Like I asked. Pick One from the Old and one from the New. Horses in the Book of Mormon is an anachronism by the definition of the word. I think we both agree there are none in the New Testament and you don’t seem to be able to explain one from the Old Testament.

Read this fairlds.org/apol/ai105.html

 

[PaulDupre]

Baloney. Answer these or forget about it. I have answered these a million times.
fairlds.org/apol/ai105.html

I doubt that anyone will take FAIR seriously. They are a bunch of professional back-peddlers who do violence to the BOM text and contradict most of what Joseph Smith and his successors have taught about the BOM, as do you.

 

[mfbukowski]

Stephen168:
Nothing in the BOM says that Native Americans did NOT come across the land bridge from siberia.

Please read that sentence at least 15 times until you understand every word.

Then read this fairlds.org/apol/ai105.html

 

[mfbukowski]

I doubt that anyone will take FAIR seriously. They are a bunch of professional back-peddlers who do violence to the BOM text and contradict most of what Joseph Smith and his successors have taught about the BOM, as do you.

Say you. You know nothing. This is absurd. You are a ex-Mormon Mormon hater. Period. You never learned enough about the church to even know what church members believe.

How can you say such absurd things? You can’t answer the arguments so you try to dismiss them.

Answer the arguments.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Read this fairlds.org/apol/ai105.html

Answering every argument with a link to FAIR. That’s pretty funny, and pathetic.

A FAIR link with hundreds of links to pages of nonsense is not an argument. Wikipedia has better information, and is more reliable.

Make the argument yourself.

 

[PaulDupre]

Say you. You know nothing. This is absurd. You are a ex-Mormon Mormon hater. Period. You never learned enough about the church to even know what church members believe.

I am certainly not a Mormon hater. I hate no one, and have a great love for the Mormons in my family. Believing that you have been deceived does not mean that I hate you.

I have never attacked you personally, nor do I believe I have ever launched a personal attack on any LDS. You however, have shown a deep hatred and anger against Catholics and Catholicism. No one here has attacked you personally, and yet you attack and defame Catholics and Protestants on this forum in nearly every one of your posts.

I don’t need to engage in anti-Mormon polemics. I just need to let you keep posting your hateful tirades and name-calling. You do far more damage to the cause of Mormonism than any Catholic could ever do. You are simply a mean old man, and I truly pity you in your misery and your insecurity in your faith. Only those who are insecure in their faith lash out when others argue against it.

And I think it is obvious to those who read my posts that I am not ignorant of LDS scripture or history.

Disagreement is not hatred. It is a pity that Mormons cannot tell the difference. It says something fundamental about them and about their insecurity in their faith. Deep down you know your religion is wrong. The more insecure you become, the more hatefully you lash out.

It is an old and sad story.

I pray for you on a regular basis, mf. Does that surprise you?

Paul

 

[Stephen168]

I don’t need to engage in anti-Mormon polemics. I just need to let you keep posting your hateful tirades and name-calling. You do far more damage to the cause of Mormonism than any Catholic could ever do. You are simply a mean old man, and I truly pity you in your misery and your insecurity in your faith.

Amen

 

[RebeccaJ]

I pray for you on a regular basis, mf. Does that surprise you?

Paul

Me too.

 

[sambos671]

Baloney.

Answer these line by line or foget about it. I have already answered all these- read the thread. How many times do I have to repeat it? Instead just go here and when you are ready to discuss it intelligently let me know.
fairlds.org/apol/ai105.html
PS there is no planet cobal. You can’t even get that right.

I was teasing you with the planet Cobal thing. You can’t take a Battlestar Galactica joke pointed at mormons can you? Sorry. The rest I would like to answer but there’s a bunch of them how do you want me to answer them? Also You seem to be in defense mode as in what the marines say the best defence is a good offence. You’re having problems substantiting the BoM claims with regard to ancient civilizations.

 

[Jerusha]

Catholics, let’s be nicer. Can we quit arguing over whether the BOM is truth or fiction, and go to the subject of what moral truths there are in it. I have been thoroughly re-reading it, and I can see many places that are critical of the way today’s Mormons “do Mormonism”. Can you find them?

 

[sambos671]

Catholics, let’s be nicer. Can we quit arguing over whether the BOM is truth or fiction, and go to the subject of what moral truths there are in it. I have been thoroughly re-reading it, and I can see many places that are critical of the way today’s Mormons “do Mormonism”. Can you find them?

I think Mormons are rather moral. The ones I’ve met anyway. In some respects more so than many catholics I know. Utah has a problem with pornography and BYU has kids that participate in fight clubs and are immoral but that’s not what is representative of Mormons. Many are very moral. The question is one of truth.

 

[Jerusha]

As I have said before, the Book of Mormon is not “plain and simple”. Because it is written in such difficult language, it is very difficult to read and understand.

I am reading Mosiah. There is a section where people are distressed because the younger generation were not members of the church. The people of the church made accusations of sinful and crminal deeds by nonmembers. The church leaders took the accusations to Alma Sr., who took them to Mosiah. Later, Mosiah made a law that false accusations were against the law. Obviously, he examined the cases, and found that many of them were confabulations by people who wanted to punish people who were not church members.

Alma Jr. was a wild and reckless youth, who was in opposition to the church. Alma Sr. prayed for him, and his prayers were answered in a very impressive way.

I uncovered this story by translating it into plain English. There is something to fix in about about every sentence. No wonder they are so judgmental!! They can’t even understand their own book!!!

And, of course, is racism moral? Mosiah’s lament in Moroni 9 talks about the Nephite sin of racism, which contributed to the destruction of his people.

I doubt that those LDS that you know are as “good” as external appearances indicate.

There are other examples, but others can make contributions.

 

[sambos671]

I doubt that those LDS that you know are as “good” as external appearances indicate.

There are other examples, but others can make contributions.

What does that mean. I understand what you mean about their not understanding their own book. But how does that reflect racism. Didn’t their prophet abandon racism? What do you mean as “good” as external apperance? They are moral. The husband doesn’t cheat on his wife. They don’t swear, they don’t smoke. They don’t break the law. They don’t drink coffee. They don’t gossip. These are indicators of morals. They don’t have anyone locked up in their basement. They don’t steal. So what do you mean they’re not as “good”?

 

[Jerusha]

Oh---- but they do gossip. Sometimes it gets quite malicious. That is what that story is about.

Racism is still a serious problem in their church. Many take seriously the claim that skin color is an indication of one’s soul, because of the sins of the ancestors of peole of color. People must be punished because of their ancestor’s sins, in order to bring them to repentance. and Mormons are real good at doing that, without looking at their own ancestors’ sins, and learning from them. This excuses racism.

And that is another moral to that story-- about people punishing others for real, or perceived imperfections, and thereby arousing opposition and anger. They try to do “God’s work” without realizing that their own strategies are, in themselves, sinful.

The problem is that, without something like CCC, they define sin too narrowly.

However, I do enjoy my coffee, and I do not regard it a sin. I do regard it a sin when someone else condemns me for it. :coffeeread: Reading the BOM with a good cup.

 

[sambos671]

Oh---- but they do gossip. Sometimes it gets quite malicious. That is what that story is about.

Racism is still a serious problem in their church. Many take seriously the claim that skin color is an indication of one’s soul, because of the sins of the ancestors of peole of color. People must be punished because of their ancestor’s sins, in order to bring them to repentance. and Mormons are real good at doing that, without looking at their own ancestors’ sins, and learning from them. This excuses racism.

And that is another moral to that story-- about people punishing others for real, or perceived imperfections, and thereby arousing opposition and anger. They try to do “God’s work” without realizing that their own strategies are, in themselves, sinful.

The problem is that, without something like CCC, they define sin too narrowly.

However, I do enjoy my coffee, and I do not regard it a sin. I do regard it a sin when someone else condemns me for it. :coffeeread: Reading the BOM with a good cup.

We have the same problems in our church! Worse when catholic don’t even study the CCC. I’ve met racist catholics. I’ve met Catholic who think there is a special forgiveness for someone who crusifies themselves (philipenes) and our church monks use to flog themselves to drive out their imperfections or wear hair shirts. The issue isn’t morals as much as truth. I agree with you about joe though.