How come so many Catholics don't follow Church Teachings?

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Isn’t it obvious that the answer is the one provided way back at the beginning of the thread by @Lou2U and @JMMJ - that those Catholics don’t believe those teachings for one reason or another? I would actually say that MOST Catholics struggle with at least some Church teachings. They cannot merely ignore their conscience where it conflicts with the Church. Genuine reflection, study and struggle is not an aberration - it is a feature of any deep faith.
 
Struggling with accepting a Teaching, while learning about it is normal.

Rejecting, disobeying, or telling others that it’s wrong is not ok.

There is a big difference
 
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Admonishing a child about Mass obligation should simply mean having a discussion why we ought to go to Mass.
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And discernment behoves that a person who has decided they don’t believe they are obliged to go to Mass anymore and are prepared to bat their reasoning back at anything you say, should not be brow beaten in the name of God. It does more harm than good.
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Furthermore, your daughter even asked why you didnt talk to her about it. Her question makes sense. You have an obligation to inform her what the Church Teaches.
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Which is why I think that people come into or return to the Church being very critical of others. They seem to think that if only someone had brow beat me about my sins, I would have changed. I have a theory about why they adopt that unrealistic belief but it seems to be quite common.
 
Who said anything about brow beating?

The severity of the admonishment should be proportionate to the harm of the sin on others.
 
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Ammi said:
Who said anything about brow beating?

The severity of the admonishment should be proportionate to the harm of the sin on others.
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My advice to you would be to take a step back from your adamant certainty about how to admonish otherwise you may find you’ve driven away your children and friends and family in the very name of Christ.
 
Yes… Matthew 10:34

If you notice the opposition towards admonishment uses shame and fear tactics.

First, its shaming us to think we arent worthy to offer this mercy. Then, its instilling fear, that we will lose loved ones if we confront sin!
 
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Yes… Matthew 10:34

If you notice the opposition towards admonishment uses shame and fear tactics.

First, its shaming us to think we arent worthy to offer this mercy. Then, its instilling fear, that we will lose loved ones if we confront sin!
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Might I remind you that so far up the thread you’ve called me devilish and manipulative. You seem to want to cherry pick scripture to dig down in your position but don’t also honour the instruction to take the log from your own eye. That I offer as a genuine admonishment.
 
If I were with you, I would go before the Church against this accusation.

I stand by my statement, that it is devilish to try to extinguish, discourage and intimidate Christians from admonishing one another.

It is instructed many times in Scripture, and called an act of mercy by the Church.

I trust them.

Shame and fear tactics are tools of the devil.
 
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As I discern that you are not receptive to any sort of admonishment at all, I’ll leave you dug deep into your position and offer a prayer for you instead.
 
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Emeraldlady said:
My advice to you would be to take a step back from your adamant certainty about how to admonish otherwise you may find you’ve driven away your children and friends and family in the very name of Christ.
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Amen. So true.
 
What sin have I committed?

Saying that its devilish and manipulative to discourage Christians from admonishing one another?

Colossians 3:16
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, as you teach and admonish one another in all wisdom, and as you sing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs with thankfulness in your hearts to God.

I have not said or implied any sort of hatred or humiliation in admonishing. Only that when done in love, it is merciful and caring.
 
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In all charity, you could be surprised. Sometimes it just takes one word to change one’s heart. It also depends on the manner and timing.
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I have to agree. As I think I already said, a friend spoke to ME about why I was ignoring the Church’s teachings. She spoke in all love and reasonableness, not accusing or angry. I DID stop and think and I completely changed my life and I am eternally grateful to her for NOT ‘minding her own business.’

I do agree that the manner and heart in which the words are spoke matters a great deal. My sister, by contrast, loves to inform people of how they should live and I doubt anyone has ever stopped and thought about her words because she comes across as very much holier than thou.
 
I have liked several posters in this thread. There has been some great posts!

In all honesty, pride has not been one of my big temptations. Lust, anger, and some substance abuse. And I’ve appreciated some admonishment over those faults.

Post 183 is very anti-pride
 
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Then why not the admonishment here?

It has been said, more than once, that without having some form of authority over the one being corrected, or being the only person available to give such admonishment to another, that it shoild not be done.
Yet, here we are, with you saying that you have a “duty” to correct someone.
 
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Yes, I have read everything you have written, and pretty much disagree with all of it.

Even in my moral theology class we were taught that without authority over someone, our “opinions” really dont matter. So, I guess I will put a lot more stock in the teaching of an esteemed professor of moral and pastoral theology, and the words of my former Bishop on the matter, over yours.
 
Yes, we disagree. It has nothing to do with authority (over another person). Maybe after the person refuses to listen. Then authority comes into play.
 
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`there is no one else just as well fitted for this work of Christian charity and likely to undertake it;

What exactly do you think this means, if it is not about having some sort of authority over another?
 
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