How could you distinguish the act of creation from a temporal change?

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po18guy said:
As a simile, Comedian Steven Wright states that no matter the circumstances, everyone dies suddenly.

“You’re alive…You’re alive…You’re alive…then you’re dead.”

Thus, “There was nothing…there was nothing…there was nothing…then there was everything.” God knew of Hamilton before He acted to create well…creation. The physical as well as the temporal. He created anyway, not caring one whit what man would later think of it all.

Have we thus come to What God proposes, man disposes?
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Are you subjecting God to time?
 
daverod said:
The act of creation with already established ‘items’. With no items to create with, one must create with non things which would fall under different Laws of physics and Science.
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Yes, I agree with you. There must be a sort of knowledge for the act of creation.
 
JuanFlorencio said:
When you ask this question, do you imagine God as if He was a human being deliberating between a series of alternatives, asking himself: “which option is better?, I don’t know!”?
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Well, he must have been thinking about whether He should create or not.
 
STT said:
Well, he must have been thinking about whether He should create or not.
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Like this?: “should I create or not? What is better? Is there any risk in it for me? Who can tell me? And if I finally decide to create, what should I create? And in which order? Oh, so many questions in my mind!”
 
JuanFlorencio said:
Like this?: “should I create or not? What is better? Is there any risk in it for me? Who can tell me? And if I finally decide to create, what should I create? And in which order? Oh, so many questions in my mind!”
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So He didn’t decide about the act of creation? Yes or no?
 
STT said:
I define causality as psi(t1)->psi(t2) where psi is the wave function of a system and t1 and t2 are two successive times. It can be shown that the amount of energy is conserved if the Hamiltonian is time independent otherwise the energy is subject to change. This means that there are two ways to have an amount of energy from nothing. (1) The Hamiltonian of the system is time dependent and (2) The act of creation. Considering the fact that the only observable at the end is the energy caused in the process how could we just that there was an act of creation or just a temporal change.
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What is a temporal change in your opinion?
 
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A Perfect being doesn’t need to make decisions in the sense of calculating a possible course of action. God eternally knows what he is and he eternally chooses to do what he is. God is love… There is no temporal distinction between his action and his intellect…
 
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STT said:
So He didn’t decide about the act of creation? Yes or no?
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It is so hard for us humans even to understand how we ourselves think, that your questions concerning God’s operations definitely result… even inappropriate.

All I can tell you is this: human thought cannot be like God’s thought. Human will cannot be like God’s will. Human life cannot be like God’s life… and so on. But then, how is God? And the answer that any truthful individual can give you is this: “We don’t know!”.

I advice you to study some mathematics (arithmetic, algebra…), some physics (mechanics, optics, electromagnetism…) so that your intelligence becomes more mature, knowing how difficult understanding something really is. Then you will be more sensible about which questions are reasonable to ask.
 
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IWantGod said:
A Perfect being doesn’t need to make decisions in the sense of calculating a possible course of action. God eternally knows what he is and he eternally chooses to do what he is. God is love… There is no temporal distinction between his action and his intellect…
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But He could not create?
 
JuanFlorencio said:
It is so hard for us humans even to understand how we ourselves think, that your questions concerning God’s operations definitely result… even inappropriate.

All I can tell you is this: human thought cannot be like God’s thought. Human will cannot be like God’s will. Human life cannot be like God’s life… and so on. But then, how is God? And the answer that any truthful individual can give you is this: “We don’t know!”.

I advice you to study some mathematics (arithmetic, algebra…), some physics (mechanics, optics, electromagnetism…) so that your intelligence becomes more mature, knowing how difficult understanding something really is. Then you will be more sensible about which questions are reasonable to ask.
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That is a weird advice. You are telling me that we cannot know about God yet encouraging me to study. God is one of my concern.
 
STT said:
That is a weird advice. You are telling me that we cannot know about God yet encouraging me to study. God is one of my concern.
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When you define the object of your study, you also need to establish your method. What would be the method to study God’s nature not only negatively, but positively, which is what you would like?

Now, from what I have observed, I think I can say that you are not interested on God, but on the doctrines about God. And your approach towards them is plainly materialistic. So, my recommendation about studying mathematics and physics is based on what I see as your approach. If at least you had a better knowledge on mathematics and physics, the dialogue with your friends here would be much easier, enjoyable and productive. Studying logic would also be good for you. That way you might become able to build good arguments, and it might even happen that you would become able to distinguish between “repeating something three times” and “proving something”, because there is a big difference.
 
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The last I heard, the big bang involves 11 dimensions, so it’s a bit more complex than just including space and time.
 
JuanFlorencio said:
It is so hard for us humans even to understand how we ourselves think, that your questions concerning God’s operations definitely result… even inappropriate.

All I can tell you is this: human thought cannot be like God’s thought. Human will cannot be like God’s will. Human life cannot be like God’s life… and so on. But then, how is God? And the answer that any truthful individual can give you is this: “We don’t know!”.

I advice you to study some mathematics (arithmetic, algebra…), some physics (mechanics, optics, electromagnetism…) so that your intelligence becomes more mature, knowing how difficult understanding something really is. Then you will be more sensible about which questions are reasonable to ask.
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Ok, Thanks for your advice. 🙂
 
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