How Democratic is democracy really?

[whatistrue]

And I am saying that the selection process should be changed to reflect the WILL of the people.

Then that is the argument you should be making, not throwing around claims of cheating. I happen to disagree that the Electoral College is inferior to popular vote, but if you can get a Constitutional Amendment through that changes it, I will follow it just as assiduously as I follow the current system. It is also not the fault of the Electoral College that so few people vote - that can be laid primarily at the feet of the people themselves.

To try and put this whole Democracy thing to rest, kindly go and search the Constitution thoroughly and let me know every instance of the word “democracy” that is in it.

 

[whatistrue]

and that party or candidate does not have to disclose where the money came from

Now this I agree with. Political donations should be public record, easily accessible to any citizen or journalistic enterprise who wants the information.

 

[JoeShlabotnik]

I am throwing nothing around. I have an opinion, just as you have an opinion.
More people would vote, if they knew their vote would make a difference. But why vote when things like the electoral college pervert the vote?
One person, one vote. Democracy. Pervert that and you get something that is not democracy.

 

[whatistrue]

you get something that is not democracy

But we never had pure democracy nor was such intended - that is the entire point.

I am throwing nothing around. I have an opinion

Claims of cheating when all candidates are subject to the same rules are more than opinion, they are accusations.

 

[JoeShlabotnik]

Say whatever you want to say.
Believe whatever you want to believe.

 

[whatistrue]

What does that even mean, and how is it relevant to the post it is supposed to be a reply to?

 

[upant]

I am not sure where you live, but the USA is a democracy.

it is not a democracy. you say it yourself

The United States of America is a democratic republic.

which are we? a democracy or a democratic republic?

Why should a person need to register ahead of time.

how do you verify that the person is legit? how can they prove they are a citizen? the left is against providing proof.

You have your opinion. So there.

not a good argument

I am throwing nothing around. I have an opinion, just as you have an opinion.

there is a difference between opinion and fact.

Say whatever you want to say.
Believe whatever you want to believe.

again not a good argument

do you realize that the majority vote will be against religious moral teachings?

 

[Fauken]

Say whatever you want to say.
Believe whatever you want to believe.

Isn’t that exactly what you’re doing? It is a fact that the US is a republic. You can call it a democratic republic, but a democratic republic is not a democracy: democratic is an adjective. Not a noun.

More people would vote, if they knew their vote would make a difference. But why vote when things like the electoral college pervert the vote?

It doesn’t pervert their vote. They can vote so their state’s votes go towards their candidate.

One person, one vote. Democracy.

Mob rule.

Pervert that and you get something that is not democracy.

And the US isn’t a democracy.

To try and put this whole Democracy thing to rest, kindly go and search the Constitution thoroughly and let me know every instance of the word “democracy” that is in it.

 

[Freddy]

JoeShlabotnik:

One person, one vote. Democracy.

Mob rule.

Is that what you call it when a state votes for it’s elector? That’s one person, one vote. And in most states the majority vote dictates all electors.

 

[Fauken]

Is that what you call it when a state votes for it’s elector? That’s one person, one vote. And in most states the majority vote dictates all electors.

I’m not a fan of democracy. But the American system is not democratic. That “one person, one vote” with the majority gets turned into five or even fifty-two depending on what state they live in. And some states split their votes depending on the percentage each candidate won. If I’m not mistaken, thanks to the previous election, a couple more states have switched over to this model.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

Is that what you call it when a state votes for it’s elector? That’s one person, one vote. And in most states the majority vote dictates all electors.

I’m not a fan of democracy. But the American system is not democratic. That “one person, one vote” with the majority gets turned into five or even fifty-two depending on what state they live in. And some states split their votes depending on the percentage each candidate won. If I’m not mistaken, thanks to the previous election, a couple more states have switched over to this model.

True democracy is nothing more than having constant reforenda to decide on relevant matters. That works ok in small states such as the home of democracy - Athens in Socrates time. But in modern times and states with millions of voters, we need some sort of proportional representation to vote in those we expect to have the knowledge to make the decisions that serve the interests of both the state and the individual.

Obviously that is not working.