How did Abram come to know God as Yahweh?

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I was reflecting on a Study titled “The Names of God”… God "introduces " Himself to Moses as I AM WHO AM, but in the story of Abraham and Isaac, we have the name Yahweh Jireh being introduced. I’m sure I’m just confused, but how is Yahweh an applicable title for Abraham to know/use at all?

Thanks:)
 
Abraham did not write down any records that we know of, so the events would have been handed down orally. Moses is the one who tradition (little) recognizes as writing the first five books (Torah) of the Old Testament. (cf. Exodus 24:4 & 7; Deut. 31:9 & 24; Joshua 23:6)

Thus, it is possible that Moses may have used God’s personal name in any passages where he considered it appropriate.

Just my thoughts.
 
From the New Jerusalem Bible:
22:13 Then looking up, Abraham saw a ram caught by its horns in a bush. Abraham took the ram and offered it as a burnt offering in place of his son.

22:14 Abraham called this place “Yahweh provides”, and hence the saying today: “On the mountain Yahweh provides.”

(Another Jerusalem Bible I read indicates this as Yahweh-Jireh)

If this is a term recorded later by Moses, what did Abraham call it? In fact, what would Abraham use as a title as he addressed God? Parhaps it’s just one of those unknowable things! 🙂
 
Hi,

Actually Genesis says that people began to invoke the ‘name of God’ at the third generation after Seth I think. It seems like they know it before. Could it be that the childreen Jacob (Israelis) had forgotten it when they were in Egypt? or that they have know it all along?

You brough up an interesting point. I would like to see more light in this from others as well.

It seems that the Church teaches that the name of God was revealed to Moses. Could we say that Moses didn’t know it (because he was not raised in the israeli community) but the israelis knew it?

Did Israelis ask Moses the name of God because they didn’t know it or to test if Moses had been really sent by the true God whom they knew?
 
Remember Moses asked God ‘how will the people of Israel know that I am sent from You?’ - it was at this point that God told Moses to tell them His name.

Presumably it wouldn’t make sense to them if they’d never heard it before. So it would seem the Israelites DID already know that Yahweh was THE name, whereas Egyptians (among whom Moses had been brought up) didn’t. It was God’s and Moses’ way of showing the Israelites that it was truly their God who had spoken to him.
 
But my little confusion was in the way the CCC puts it. May be I didn’t undestand it correctly.

When the CCC talks abou the name of God. It says that it was revealed to Israel trough Moses.

Could we say that the CCC meant that it was ‘clarified’ or revealed fully’ that something more revealing was given?

It seems so. Otherwise, the Israeli knew it or something of it already.
 
I was reflecting on a Study titled “The Names of God”… God "introduces " Himself to Moses as I AM WHO AM, but in the story of Abraham and Isaac, we have the name Yahweh Jireh being introduced. I’m sure I’m just confused, but how is Yahweh an applicable title for Abraham to know/use at all?

Thanks:)
What a good question. I was leaning towards Nita’s answer, but this is complicated by what you bring up in your third post. I hope you get an authoritative answer.

In response to Lily’s answer: if the Israelites in Egypt knew the name of God, why would they ask Moses what the name of the God of the fathers was?

Were they doing it to test if Moses was telling the truth? Or maybe they forgot about God completely while in Egypt (and that could be why they were serving idols and false gods)?
 
Ex 3:13 Moses then said to God, ‘Look, if I go to the Israelites and say to them, “The God of your ancestors has sent me to you,” and they say to me, “What is his name?” what am I to tell them?’

Ex 3:14 God said to Moses, ‘I am he who is.’ And he said, ‘This is what you are to say to the Israelites, “I am has sent me to you.”’

Ex 3:15 God further said to Moses, 'You are to tell the Israelites, “Yahweh, the God of your ancestors, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.” This is my name for all time, and thus I am to be invoked for all generations to come.

Does not this interchange between Moses and God (especially in 3:15b) read as if, for the first time, God is giving His people a name to call Him? (I know I’ve read this perspective in many other places.) The initial part of verse 15 is Him providing the credibility of who He is through the lineage of people the Hebrews would know, the latter part is Him giving them (Moses too) a personal name, more to give them a taste of the personal nature He wishes to have with His chosen people. Indeed, through the Exodus events He will give many more examples of what He will be for them. It doesn’t seem like God wants Moses to seem credible to the Hebrews, rather Moses is concerned he won’t be believed. God says, “tell them I’m the Elohim of your ancestors, and here’s some names they will certainly know - Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - for I promised them I’d be there for them in the future. And now is when I will begin to show them what this will mean!”

I never thought of the possibility that the name “YAHWEH” could have been known to the Hebrews. But it seems unlikely that it would not have been recorded / repeated numerous times in Genesis, no? Additionally, this is now the Moses who has spent considerable time being educated with the Egyptians, then another 40 years in hiding, but still knowing God. I think as much as anything Moses wants a Name when he requests “who should I say sent me?”.

Just an aside…There are many times when I read the bible that I wish our English translators gave us more than God or LORD. When I read I will be your “God who heals you” vs. Yahweh Ropheca, or “In the beginning was the Word” vs. “In the beginning was the Logos” (as in The Purpose or The Reason) or “I am a just God” instead of Yahweh Tsidkenu… This is God speaking to us with so much more meaning…but the richness can be (often is) “lost in the translation” 😦
 
Ex 3:13 Moses then said to God, ‘Look, if I go to the Israelites and say to them, “The God of your ancestors has sent me to you,” and they say to me, “What is his name?” what am I to tell them?’

Ex 3:14 God said to Moses, ‘I am he who is.’ And he said, ‘This is what you are to say to the Israelites, “I am has sent me to you.”’

Ex 3:15 God further said to Moses, 'You are to tell the Israelites, “Yahweh, the God of your ancestors, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.” This is my name for all time, and thus I am to be invoked for all generations to come.

Does not this interchange between Moses and God (especially in 3:15b) read as if, for the first time, God is giving His people a name to call Him? (I know I’ve read this perspective in many other places.) The initial part of verse 15 is God providing the credibility of who He is through the lineage of people the Hebrews would know, the latter part is Him giving them (Moses too) a personal name, -more- to give them a taste of the personal nature He wishes to have with His chosen people. Indeed, through the Exodus events He will give many more examples of what He will be for them. It doesn’t seem like God wants Moses to seem credible to the Hebrews, rather Moses might be concerned he won’t be believed. God says, “tell them I’m the Elohim of your ancestors, and here’s some names they will certainly know - Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - for I promised them I’d be there for them in the future. And this is the time when I will begin to show them what this will mean!”

I never thought of the possibility that the name “Yahweh” could have been known to the Hebrews previously. It certainly as interesting a conjecture as many I often make! 😉 But it seems unlikely that it would not have been recorded / repeated numerous times in Genesis, no? Instead, God is a generic El or Elohim, but then later, as He begins to become more involved, as El Shaddai… Additionally, this is now the Moses who has spent considerable time being educated with the Egyptians, then another 40 years in hiding, but still knowing God. I think as much as anything Moses wants a Name (wants to know God more intimately) when he requests “who should I say sent me?”. I will read this as Moses wants to know God better, but more significantly, God desires to be known better! 🙂

Just an aside…There are many times when I read the bible that I wish our English translators gave us more than God or LORD. When I read, I will be your “God who heals you” vs. Yahweh Ropheca, or “In the beginning was the Word” vs. “In the beginning was the Logos” (as in The Purpose or The Reason) or “I am a just God” instead of Yahweh Tsidkenu (God who IS rigtheousness!)… This is God speaking to us with so much more meaning…but the richness can be (often is) “lost in the translation” 😦

Certainly too much to chew on this late at night! I look forward to your collective wisdom. I love you, my fellow believers and those hungry for a deeper knowledge of God. Isn’t our God an awesome God!?! (El Hannora - Neh 9:32) 👍
 
There is also this from Exodus 6:2-3
God also said to Moses, "I am the LORD. As God the Almighty I appeared to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but my name, LORD, I did not make known to them.
One explanation for this has been that the accounts in Genesis where the name YHWH is used were written at a later date without any awareness of the texts mentioning the revelation to Moses. In which case, the use of YHWH is anachronistic. I wouldn’t call this an error, but a reflection of when the Genesis accounts were written (e.g. after the Exodus when the name YHWY was commonly used). Abrahan probably used an older version of God’s name, like Shaddai possibly meaning the Almighty, or maybe The One of the Mountain.

I have no problems with this interpretation since it does not alter the purpose or meaning of the Genesis accounts.

God bless,
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There is also this from Exodus 6:2-3

Abrahan probably used an older version of God’s name, like Shaddai possibly meaning the Almighty, or maybe The One of the Mountain.
But this is Gen 22:14 - Abraham called the name of that place Yahweh-Jireh. As it is said to this day, “In the LORD’s mountain it will be provided.”

I tend to be much more literal-minded than most when reading Scriptures… I guess this is one of those instances where reading the Bible literally is more problematic.

Thank you for your insights!

Steve
 
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