How did Islam get so popular?

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I don’t know if they all went. But look at it from their perspective. They could either join a religion that was similar to their own, or continue to be persecuted by the Orthodox. Their choice was probably, er, helped by the fact that they would have avoided taxes or death if they converted to Islam.
 
Actually, according to one Saudi Arabian preacher I had the displeasure of listening to, the Koran tells of rivers of wine in Heaven for faithful Muslim believers. @Niblo, is this correct?

And an ever virgin that’s just there to be bedded? Yep, a prostitute.
 
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Dictionary disagrees.

prostitute: a person, in particular a woman, who engages in sexual activity for payment.
 
As you wish. Not interested in arguing on this point.

Have a nice day.
 
I don’t know if they all went. But look at it from their perspective. They could either join a religion that was similar to their own, or continue to be persecuted by the Orthodox. Their choice was probably, er, helped by the fact that they would have avoided taxes or death if they converted to Islam.
So why do modern Copts not view Islam as a religion similar to their own (in my experience at least)?
 
First and foremost through military conquest. Much of the land that Islam took root in (North Africa, Mesopotamia, Syria, Turkey, etc.) were largely Christian, but through Muslim conquest were converted to Islam. The other thing that happened is that during the Middle Ages you had the rise of the Mongolian Empire which took to Islam and exported Islam east to places like India. And to their credit, at least in the West, Islam does have a pretty aggressive effort of evangelizing to the disenfranchised.
 
Umm, I’m not really familiar with Copts but I know for a fact that they were not Arians. Copts believe in the divinity of Jesus. They are Miaphysite, not deniers of Christ’s divinity like the Arians… and Islam.

@Tis_Bearself was talking about Arians.
 
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I don’t know if they all went. But look at it from their perspective. They could either join a religion that was similar to their own, or continue to be persecuted by the Orthodox. Their choice was probably, er, helped by the fact that they would have avoided taxes or death if they converted to Islam.
So why do modern Copts not view Islam as a religion similar to their own (in my experience at least)?
Well, let’s be clear here. Some Miaphysite and Arian groups certainly did convert to Islam. The vast majority of Christians in the Middle East and North Africa did, whether out of fear, out of benefit (no special tax) or because they viewed Islamic theology as much closer to their own than Chalcedonian Christianity. But for many Christians in those areas they in fact did not fight the Islamic invaders simply because under the Islamic rulers they treated with a great deal of tolerance, as opposed to how they had been treated by Roman and Byzantine authorities.

The Copts were persecuted by the Byzantians in the 5th century after they rejected the Council of Chalcedon. Christology was the issue of the time. Once Christianity had become the state religion, the underlying struggles between various Christological formulations, which had been going on for a couple of centuries, suddenly bubbled over as the Emperors, wanting a single Orthodox Christianity for the whole Empire, essentially viewed any group that rejected all or part of any of the Councils as dangerous rebels.

The Copts, in fact, were the majority population in Egypt for centuries after the conquest, and were treated fairly well by their Muslim rulers. There was no need to convert. They weren’t harassed in any significant way for much of their history being ruled by Muslims. So long as they paid Jizya and were loyal citizens, they were free to practice their faith.

Don’t confuse the modern post-Ottoman Arab nationalism with how Islam and Christianity (and Judaism as well) coexisted for centuries. Copts now are, sadly, the targets of much hatred by Islamists, but Islamism itself is a modern creature, at best no older than the rise of Wahabism in the Arabian Peninsula. Islam taught tolerance of other faiths, in particular the religions of “the Book”. Not that there weren’t abuses, but when people complain about the perceived evils of Islam, I often say “Where would you rather have been an Arian in the 8th century or a Jew in the 12th century, Madrid or Paris?”
 
Umm, I’m not really familiar with Copts but I know for a fact that they were not Arians. Copts believe in the divinity of Jesus. They are Miaphysite, not deniers of Christ’s divinity like the Arians… and Islam.

@Tis_Bearself was talking about Arians.
The Copts rejected the Council of Chalcedon (which I consider the definitive council that determined who an orthodox Christian was). They were Miaphysites, and suffered their first persecutions in the fifth century. There were brief periods of Byzantine tolerance, but for the most part they were viewed as heretics and rebels, and the Coptic history is a good example of how imposed orthodoxy by the Emperors lead to longstanding ill will between various Miaphysite churches and Orthodoxy. When the Muslims came along, not only with a similar theology, but more importantly a commitment to permit them to practice their brand of Christianity with little interference (really, the Muslims didn’t distinguish between Monophysites and Miaphysites at all), well one can well imagine that there was little interest in defending Byzantine suzerainty.
 
While the tolerant attitude of Muslim conquerors towards their non-orthodox Christian subjects is undeniable, I think it’s important to point out that Copts, unlike Arians, do not share similar theology with Muslims.

The three groups obviously shared an animosity towards the Byzantine Empire, however.
 
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Copts are a sort of a mid-way point between Monophysite and Miaphysite. I do think, historically, they were grouped with the latter, but that might have been a Chalcedonian slur.
 
It was. I believe the Vatican has issued a joint Christological statement with the Copts.
 
Why does “some of course generally believe in that religion” come LAST? Also, Judaism is simpler than Christianity, so why is Judaism still a minority–in fact, THE minority religion–worldwide? OK, I think I know why: it is the only religion AFAIK that does NOT promise, or at least emphasize, an afterlife but rather focuses mainly on this earthly life. Probably Christianity is so popular largely because it is the exact opposite of Judaism with regard to the afterlife, which is very much its focus. Islam’s popularity? Some of what you state I agree with: particularly the ‘newness’ or ‘differentness’ of the religion in the West compared to Christianity. But let’s not ignore the teachings, which many are obviously very attracted to.
 
Thanks for the interesting thread…

While I’m mostly learning from this thread, if it has not been pointed out, Islam is also splintered. There was the Shiite-Sunni Split which happened soon after Muhammad’s death…I read. So the question also becomes what form of Islam is spreading?

Based on my interaction with Muslims, I’m always really struck at how radically different culturally a Shiite from Iran is vs. a Sunni from Jordan. They seem far different culturally than Catholics and Protestants for example. So perhaps the spread of Islam is not so simple.
 
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Judaism, generally has never been a proselytizing religion. There certainly have been converts over the centuries, but by and large Judaism has retained its fundamentally ethno-religious nature. Christianity and Islam, on the other hand, are very much evangelical faiths, with the spreading of their beliefs a core part of their theological DNA.
 
I actually didnt place them in order of importance- just in order of when they occurred to me. I’m Christian. I’m obviously going to think, “oh, and some people might actually believe all that, I suppose.” 😂

I did, however, mention the fact of there being no Holy Trinity in Islam, which many former Christians have claimed is the reason for their conversion, first.
 
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Because it was spread by conquering armies and governments in its early centuries forcing locals to adhere to it as the true religion. Similar to how Christianity spread in the early days once it had become the Roman State religion.
 
It’s interesting that at least in early Islam, there was a great admiration of Mary. They didn’t believe her to be the Mother of God, of course, but they did view her as blessed. The history of Islam, particularly the early history, is something one of these days I hope to delve in to more fully. As you mentioned above, there is a theory (not accepted by many scholars) that the Qu’ran may have been based heavily on Syriac texts. I don’t know if it is true, but there is certainly some resemblance between Syriac Christian and Islamic theology.
 
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