How did our society evolve over the past 150 years without God and an upper world?

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Take notice of the great societal changes that took place over the past 150 years. Mass produced electricity, cars, planes, computers, cell phones and large cities across the world. Imagine how society itself could have just meshed together to produce itself. How could these changes occur without true social engineering from God and an upper world? Take Iraq for example, it’s not really a war of religion or anything else, but the effects of social engineering in progress. Everything is in God’s hands, and thus, everything just falls into place to produce a larger picture. As Saint Paul writes:* In everything, God works for good.*

Next, ask if you have the innate wit to mass produce simple boxes of toothpicks? Do you think a dozen top university professors could develop an effective method on their own? I doubt it very much! There would probably be more arguing than anything else. Now, consider our mass producing light bulbs, computer chips, cell phones and everything else found in our society today. Again, do any of us have the innate wit to figure out how to mass produce these things? Indeed, there must be a God and an upper world of existence that is capable of producing and advancing the technology in our world today.

Meditate and contemplate these things! Open your eyes see the lies right in front of you!
 
I don’t think you give humanity enough credit for inventiveness.

You can believe in God and still give appropriate credit to humanity for it’s amazing achievements. If you believe God gave us intelligence and curiosity, then you should also commend us for using those gifts to their fullest.
 
MerryAtheist said:
I don’t think you give humanity enough credit for inventiveness.

You can believe in God and still give appropriate credit to humanity for it’s amazing achievements. If you believe God gave us intelligence and curiosity, then you should also commend us for using those gifts to their fullest.
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Do you have the innate wit to figure out an efficient method to mass produce simple boxes of toothpicks? Do you personally know anyone who can?
 
Robert_Sock said:
Take notice of the great societal changes that took place over the past 150 years. Mass produced electricity, cars, planes, computers, cell phones and large cities across the world. Imagine how society itself could have just meshed together to produce itself. How could these changes occur without true social engineering from God and an upper world? Take Iraq for example, it’s not really a war of religion or anything else, but the effects of social engineering in progress. Everything is in God’s hands, and thus, everything just falls into place to produce a larger picture. As Saint Paul writes:* In everything, God works for good.*

Next, ask if you have the innate wit to mass produce simple boxes of toothpicks? Do you think a dozen top university professors could develop an effective method on their own? I doubt it very much! There would probably be more arguing than anything else. Now, consider our mass producing light bulbs, computer chips, cell phones and everything else found in our society today. Again, do any of us have the innate wit to figure out how to mass produce these things? Indeed, there must be a God and an upper world of existence that is capable of producing and advancing the technology in our world today.

Meditate and contemplate these things! Open your eyes see the lies right in front of you!
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Toothpicks are not endorsed by dentists since they may injure the teeth and gums. Dental floss is much safer and more effective!

I recall seeing this post before, Robert, in a larger version. But I agree with the MerryAtheist on this one: that G-d gave us the power to think, reason, and use our imagination and creativity, and we should make use of our G-d-given ability and talent. There’s nothing morally wrong with doing so; indeed, not using our mind would, in a sense, be sinful. Always with G-d’s help, of course.

BTW, according to Judaism, G-d created the Universe partially incomplete since it is up to us to complete it by means of our moral actions and reason.
 
meltzerboy said:
Toothpicks are not endorsed by dentists since they may injure the teeth and gums. Dental floss is much safer and more effective!
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Do you have the innate wit to figure out an efficient method to mass produce simple dental floss? Do you personally know anyone who can?

The point I’m trying to make is that we do not have the innate necessary to make our world into what it is today. God and an upper world is evident.
 
And yet the 20th century may have been the darkest in history when it comes to assaults on human life. Two World Wars and tens of millions of lives extinguished.

But the advances in medicine and technology were truly awe-inspiring.
 
I doubt when God made Adam he said to himself “I can’t wait for these guys to start mass producing light bulbs”

Nothing says stewardship like a military industrial complex which promotes economic inequality.
 
akasseb said:
But the advances in medicine and technology were truly awe-inspiring.
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But where does the wit to promote this “awe-inspiring” technology come from? Do we earthly humans have that capability? Again, who do you know that has the innate wit to mass produce anything?
 
meltzerboy said:
BTW, according to Judaism, G-d created the Universe partially incomplete since it is up to us to complete it by means of our moral actions and reason.
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It seems to follow logically from the gift of free will. If the universe were complete what would remain for us to do?! We need the opportunity to develop our capacity for love.

It could be objected that the Creator is complete but brings the universe into existence nevertheless. The difference is that divine Love is not determined by what is necessary whereas our love is. Without love we are incomplete but divine Love is perfect and therefore necessarily “complete”. 🙂
 
Birdpreacher said:
I doubt when God made Adam he said to himself “I can’t wait for these guys to start mass producing light bulbs”

Nothing says stewardship like a military industrial complex which promotes economic inequality.
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Jesus gave us the example of stewards who fail to use or misuse and abuse their power…
 
Robert_Sock said:
Do you have the innate wit to figure out an efficient method to mass produce simple dental floss? Do you personally know anyone who can?

The point I’m trying to make is that we do not have the innate necessary to make our world into what it is today. God and an upper world is evident.
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The point you are trying to make sounds as if you are saying there are many with much more of this innate wit stuff to figure things out than you or I do, therefore God?

If I understood you correctly, then I would have to say this is an arugment you may want to hone a bit before tossing it out on someone in debate.
Avoid it if you can.
 
Inventions come through practicality, and that is one thing human beings are great at. From primitive man to this very moment in history, some 20,000+ years later, practicality has intertwined itself into civilization. Without having any prior knowledge of what a toothpick was, I think I could definitely invent some sort of way for mass production. One day I might be sitting around and eating, all of sudden something gets lodged into my teeth. I can’t get it with my teeth, so I look next to me and use a stick I find. After this moment, I realize that using a stick is better to pick teeth. I will shave it down, because size matters. I have a toothpick. All my friends (under same condition) watch me, and I teach them how to do it.

Stack this theory over thousands of years and you have mass production to help supply toothpicks to the rest of society.

You should change your train of thought towards something else. I might suggest something online the lines of ‘yeah society in the past 200 years has developed increasingly fast, but do these developments really help us out? Are they really improving and bettering life for all mankind?’

Scientific revolution was huge man, there is no denying it. I mean the Church’s influence was huge prior to this time, and it had much more significance than it does it. One day some people just decided to look for answers themselves, and consequences came with that.
 
lemondiesel said:
Inventions come through practicality, and that is one thing human beings are great at. From primitive man to this very moment in history, some 20,000+ years later, practicality has intertwined itself into civilization. Without having any prior knowledge of what a toothpick was, I think I could definitely invent some sort of way for mass production. One day I might be sitting around and eating, all of sudden something gets lodged into my teeth. I can’t get it with my teeth, so I look next to me and use a stick I find. After this moment, I realize that using a stick is better to pick teeth. I will shave it down, because size matters. I have a toothpick. All my friends (under same condition) watch me, and I teach them how to do it.

Stack this theory over thousands of years and you have mass production to help supply toothpicks to the rest of society.

You should change your train of thought towards something else. I might suggest something online the lines of ‘yeah society in the past 200 years has developed increasingly fast, but do these developments really help us out? Are they really improving and bettering life for all mankind?’

Scientific revolution was huge man, there is no denying it. I mean the Church’s influence was huge prior to this time, and it had much more significance than it does it. One day some people just decided to look for answers themselves, and consequences came with that.
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StrawberryJam said:
The point you are trying to make sounds as if you are saying there are many with much more of this innate wit stuff to figure things out than you or I do, therefore God?

If I understood you correctly, then I would have to say this is an arugment you may want to hone a bit before tossing it out on someone in debate.
Avoid it if you can.
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I think people are missing my point. My true point is who among us has the innate wit to figure out how to mass produce anything? Take a look around you and see all the stuff that gets mass produced! Does anyone, except me, have the insight to know the amount of innate wit that is necessary to invent the tools and machinery necessary to mass produce anything? For example, designing a computer chip, as awesome as it is, is really quite simple compared to designing the tools and machinery necessary to mass produce the chips! Same goes for a simple toothpick. Designing a toothpick is something a child could do, but designing the tools and machinery necessary to mass produce toothpicks is mind-boggling! Again, take a close look at all the junk sitting around you. Mass producing these things are easy, but again, the difficulty is in designing and producing the tools and machinery necessary to mass produce these things!
 
Robert_Sock said:
Again, take a close look at all the junk sitting around you. Mass producing these things are easy, but again, the difficulty is in designing and producing the tools and machinery necessary to mass produce these things!
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just because its mind boggling doesn’t make it supernatural

the american freedom definitely helped boost the process.
 
lemondiesel said:
just because its mind boggling doesn’t make it supernatural
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I believe that ultimately, it must be supernatural, but I’m also open to an upper world of advanced humans, a world parallel to ours but much more highly intelligent, that is making the advances in our society come about.
 
Robert_Sock said:
I believe that ultimately, it must be supernatural, but I’m also open to an upper world of advanced humans, a world parallel to ours but much more highly intelligent, that is making the advances in our society come about.
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why can’t human ingenuity be sufficient? had to develop the wheel before inventing the car.
 
This question brings to mind this scripture for me.

Gen. Ch-11 V. 6

And he said: Behold, it is one people, and all have one tongue: and they have begun to do this,* neither will they leave off from their designs, till they accomplish them in deed.*
 
Benadam said:
This question brings to mind this scripture for me.

Gen. Ch-11 V. 6

And he said: Behold, it is one people, and all have one tongue: and they have begun to do this,* neither will they leave off from their designs, till they accomplish them in deed.*
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Indeed, it sounds like people were much smarter and more united back then. I often wonder whether they had unicameral brains back then instead of the bicameral brains we have today in our world.
 
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