How did the Catholic church start?

[HalfAngel_18]

I know that we say Jesus started the church with Peter, but I came accross this, I was wondering if anyone could tell me where it came from or why someone wrote it…I would think it has some truth or maybe something was misunderstood? I heard that the pentacostal church was the first one, started by Jesus too…soo which is fact?

"The Roman Catholic Church claims to have started in Matthew 16:18 when Christ supposedly appointed Peter as the first Pope. However, the honest and objective student of the Scriptures and history soon discovers that the foundation of the Roman church is none other than the pagan mystery religion of ancient Babylon.

While enduring the early persecutions of the Roman government (65-300 A.D.), most of professing Christianity went through a gradual departure from New Testament doctrine concerning church government, worship and practice. Local churches ceased to be autonomous by giving way to the control of “bishops” ruling over hierarchies. The simple form of worship from the heart was replaced with the rituals and splendor of paganism. Ministers became “priests,” and pagans became “Christians” by simply being sprinkled with water. This tolerance of an unregenerate membership only made things worse. SPRINKLED PAGANISM is about the best definition for Roman Catholicism.

The Roman Emperor Constantine established himself as the head of the church around 313 A.D.,(who is this Constantine?) which made this new “Christianity” the official religion of the Roman Empire. The first actual Pope in Rome was probably Leo I (440-461 A.D.), although some claim that Gregory I was the first (590-604 A.D.). This ungodly system eventually ushered in the darkest period of history known to man, properly known as the “Dark Ages” (500-1500 A.D.). Through popes, bishops, and priests, Satan ruled Europe, and Biblical Christianity became illegal.

Throughout all of this, however, there remained individual groups of true Christians, such as the Waldensens and the Anabaptists who would not conform to the Roman system.

The Papacy and Priesthood

In the Bible there are no popes or priests to rule over the church.(I know the terms were not used yet, that doesn’t mean they weren’t popes or priests though right?) Jesus Christ is our High Priest (Heb. 3:1; 4:14-15; 5:5; 8:1; 9:11), and all true Christians make up a spiritual priesthood (I Pet. 2:5). Jesus Christ has sanctified all Christians who believe on Him (Heb. 10:10-11), so all priests today are unnecessary and unscriptural. ???Furthermore, the practice of calling a priest “father” is forbidden by Jesus Christ in Matthew 23:9. (??? I looked up the verse and it does say that…why DO we call the priests Father?)There is only ONE mediator between God and men (I Tim. 2:5).

The Catholic church teaches that Peter was the first Pope and the earthly head of the church, but the Bible never says this once. In fact, it was Peter himself who spoke against “being lords over God’s heritage” (what does he mean by “being lords over God’s heritage” ???) in I Peter 5:3. Popes do not marry, (is that actually a rule? I thought that was their decision…)although Peter did (Mat. 8:14; I Cor. 9:5). The Bible never speaks of Peter being in Rome, and it was Paul, not Peter, who wrote the epistle to the Romans. In the New Testament, Paul wrote 100 chapters with 2,325 verses, while Peter wrote only 8 chapters with 166 verses. In Peter’s first epistle he stated that he was simply “an apostle of Jesus Christ,” not a Pope (I Pet. 1:1). The Roman papacy and priesthood is just a huge fraud to keep members in bondage to a corrupt pagan church. "

umm, I found this at this website.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Catholic.html

 

[1ke]

It comes from a confused person who ignores the Bible, the basic facts of history, and all the writings of the Early Church Fathers.

Why would they write it? Either true ignorance based on reading other similarly flawed materials or deliberate malice. Don’t know which.

 

[HalfAngel_18]

It comes from a confused person who ignores the Bible, the basic facts of history, and all the writings of the Early Church Fathers.

Why would they write it? Either true ignorance based on reading other similarly flawed materials or deliberate malice. Don’t know which.

Would you know how the Pentecostal church started? Or should I take that question to a different section?

 

[1ke]

Would you know how the Pentecostal church started? Or should I take that question to a different section?

Sure, here is an explanation from Oral Roberts University.

 

[planter654]

It comes from a confused person who ignores the Bible, the basic facts of history, and all the writings of the Early Church Fathers.

Why would they write it? Either true ignorance based on reading other similarly flawed materials or deliberate malice. Don’t know which.

I just watch on the History channel seeing the first churches there were Hundreds of underground churchs, huge, huge cities under ground practicing their faith in God and Jesus Christ in “Turkey”.

When I say hundreds of catheral churches with pictures built, dug out under ground even to the depth of three levels etc. They say this is the reason our Catherals represent those build under ground. In Turkey cities where built on top of ground but under ground thousands, thoudands lived, protecting themselves from the Roman Empire who murdered thousands upon thousands of those who believe in God and in Jesus Christ. there is even beatuiful paintings etc

Constantine stopped this when Church and state worked together then they came out from under ground to follow and practice their own faith, freely without persecutions.

Could some of these people be also known as the “lost Israelities” the 12 tribes that were taken into slavery and scattered through out all the nations? they Israelities were forced to leave Jerusalem. they did not leave on their own accord. But taken captives by the surrounding nations—leading up to the Isarel’s lost identity as slaves?

God Bless

 

[HalfAngel_18]

I just watch on the History channel seeing the first churches there were Hundreds of underground churchs, huge, huge cities under ground practicing their faith in God and Jesus Christ in “Turkey”.

When I say hundreds of catheral churches with pictures built, dug out under ground even to the depth of three levels etc. They say this is the reason our Catherals represent those build under ground. In Turkey cities where built on top of ground but under ground thousands, thoudands lived, protecting themselves from the Roman Empire who murdered thousands upon thousands of those who believe in God and in Jesus Christ. there is even beatuiful paintings etc

Constantine stopped this when Church and state worked together then they came out from under ground to follow and practice their own faith, freely without persecutions.

Could some of these people be also known as the “lost Israelities” the 12 tribes that were taken into slavery and scattered through out all the nations? they Israelities were forced to leave Jerusalem. they did not leave on their own accord. But taken captives by the surrounding nations—leading up to the Isarel’s lost identity as slaves?

God Bless

So Constantine didn’t start the Catholic church?

 

[1ke]

So Constantine didn’t start the Catholic church?

No, he didn’t.

 

[HalfAngel_18]

No, he didn’t.

X.X my friends aren’t going to listen to me…that’s so frustrating. I’m not like trying to convert them or anything…but the have their facts messed up.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

X.X my friends aren’t going to listen to me…that’s so frustrating. I’m not like trying to convert them or anything…but the have their facts messed up.

The Catholic Church started when a small group prayed in an upper room, with Peter, and the Holy Spirit came upon them and guided them. We call the event Pentecost.

 

[Kotton]

the foundation of the Roman church is none other than the pagan mystery religion of ancient Babylon.

How often do we hear this fabrication?

The simple form of worship from the heart was replaced with the rituals and splendor of paganism. Ministers became “priests,”

The ‘ministers’ were priests and they followed ‘rituals’ as given to them by the Apostles.

pagans became “Christians” by simply being sprinkled with water.

They were instructed re: salvation through Jesus Christ and baptised by imersion or pouring. (where does this sprinkle come from?)

The Roman Emperor Constantine established himself as the head of the church around 313 A.D., which made this new “Christianity” the official religion of the Roman Empire.

He gave the Christians the right to worship without percution and was only baptised on his deathbed.

Through popes, bishops, and priests, Satan ruled Europe, and Biblical Christianity became illegal.

Christianity flourished, and was preserving the BIBLE which is used today.

true Christians, such as the Waldensens and the Anabaptists who would not conform to the Roman system.

As they taught heresy the writter wouldn’t accept many of their doctrines.

Furthermore, the practice of calling a priest “father” is forbidden by Jesus Christ in Matthew 23:9.

Only by misinterpeting Jesus’ words and meaning.

There is only ONE mediator between God and men (I Tim. 2:5).

And the Catholic Church teaches that.

The Roman papacy and priesthood is just a huge fraud to keep members in bondage to a corrupt pagan church.

OH, how many times have I heard this quote, and I always think, “What bondage?” If there is, it must be to Christ.

Kotton

 

[HalfAngel_18]

The Catholic Church started when a small group prayed in an upper room, with Peter, and the Holy Spirit came upon them and guided them. We call the event Pentecost.

and calling it pentecost is like my friends proof that that’s not the Catholic church but the Pentecostal church…so what do I say to that?

 

[planter654]

So Constantine didn’t start the Catholic church?

Yes he did by the History channel for he was head of the Roman Empire from what i understood.

God Bless

 

[1ke]

and calling it pentecost is like my friends proof that that’s not the Catholic church but the Pentecostal church…so what do I say to that?

You don’t. If people insist on being that ignorant, there isn’t much you can do to help them.

I think I’ll call my church the Passover Church-- it’s name proves it started in Egypt and Moses was it’s founder.

See how ridiculous that argument is?

I’m unsure why they would not accept their own denomination’s history-- I posted the link from Oral Roberts University. No one of any integrity would attempt to claim the Pentecostal church started before the early 20th century.

 

[1ke]

Yes he did by the History channel for he was head of the Roman Empire from what i understood.

God Bless

Planter, you are very confused. Being the Emporer does not mean he started the Catholic Church.

What he did do is issue an edict that stopped the persecution of the Church. He did not found the Church.

 

[planter654]

and calling it pentecost is like my friends proof that that’s not the Catholic church but the Pentecostal church…so what do I say to that?

Yes you are right but at that time they were known as Israelities. that is why they went into hiding from the Rome Empire. For the Roman Empire were crucifying and murdering those who believed in God and in Jesus Christ. were not all the apostles not murdered. The Israelities stone those who did not believe to death. The Roman Empire crucified those who believed. Like St. Peter was crucified by the Roman Empire upside down why because he believed in Jesus Christ and did not feel he was worthly to die in the same manner.

Israelities—stoned to death like St. Stephens
Roman Empire —they crucified

God Bless

 

[planter654]

Planter, you are very confused. Being the Emporer does not mean he started the Catholic Church.

What he did do is issue an edict that stopped the persecution of the Church. He did not found the Church.

You are right thank you for correcting me!

God Bless

 

[planter654]

No, he didn’t.

Constantine did starat the church the churches were already established. They showed on the History Channels hundreds of hundreds of individual churches under ground were thousands of thousands of people lived! Fear of perscution from the Roman Empire. This under ground cities where build under ground on the roads or routes of commercial trade from nation to nation. Even their camels were brought under ground with their merchanise so they woulc not be found out by the Romans they had rooms, baths, kitchens, resting areas, churches to give traders rest along their journeys. A camel could only travel so many miles a day and need to rest. They also showed their burial areas underground. Hundreds of huge. huge cities build under ground.

God Bless

 

[planter654]

Constantine did starat the church the churches were already established. They showed on the History Channels hundreds of hundreds of individual churches under ground were thousands of thousands of people lived! Fear of perscution from the Roman Empire. This under ground cities where build under ground on the roads or routes of commercial trade from nation to nation. Even their camels were brought under ground with their merchanise so they woulc not be found out by the Romans they had rooms, baths, kitchens, resting areas, churches to give traders rest along their journeys. A camel could only travel so many miles a day and need to rest. They also showed their burial areas underground. Hundreds of huge. huge cities build under ground.

God Bless

No! Constandine did not start the “first church”, hundreds were already established for the worship of God and Jesus Christ! But allow them freedom to practice their faith without prescutions. If Constandine started a church it was for The Roman nations.

God Bless

 

[JMBNH]

In the early Church priests were called presbyters (and are called that in the Bible, though some unscrupulous people deliberately mistranslate this as ‘elders’ to pretend the early Church had them) and the Pope was only known as the Bishop of Rome but had the same spiritual power (though the temporal power was very different) and actually lost not gained power from Constantine, as the later Emperors wanted to control the Church for themselves.

In fact if the Catholic Church were created by Constantine then they would have had to forge the many earlier documents proving that the Church was Catholic and if they did that then the Bible cannot be trusted as that wasn’t compiled til 70 years after Constantine’s Edict of Toleration and was compiled by Papal decree.

Earlier people mentioning a special status for either the Bishop of Rome or the Roman Church in the early Church include the following among others:

Pope St Clement (c90AD)
St Ignatius of Antioch (c110AD)
St Irenaeus of Lyon (c180AD)
Pope St Stephen I (c250AD)
St Cyprian of Carthage (c250AD)

with the last three being very very explicit, though St Cyprian of Carthage wrote some very explicitly pro-Papacy writings during the Papacy of St Cornelius but fell out with Stephen and wrote some anti-Papacy pieces, though acknowledging the nature of the Papacy by doing so (he was also reconciled to the Papacy under Pope St Sixtus II’s reign). Also Tertullian the Heretic in about 210AD wrote condemning the Papacy and described the nature of it in doing so

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

and calling it pentecost is like my friends proof that that’s not the Catholic church but the Pentecostal church…so what do I say to that?

Pentecost =50 days, 50 days after the Resurrection at Easter.

Why did they toss Peter to the curb? They do not claim to be lead by the sucessor of Peter? Where’s Peter in their Community? What role does the successor of Peter play in their Community?