Did you mention to him that the secular world has him brainwashed into thinking it looks like a “lump of jelly.” That argument goes both ways.I told him it looked like a baby to me. He replied ‘that’s because that is what you want to see’. ‘The Church has brainwashed you to see that’. ‘All I see is a lump of jelly’!
You are absolutely right about how we use language and how it can devalue life. I’m sorry for your loss. God Bless,I believe our culture has neutralized life. Even our language has become empty when it comes to life. ie: I lost a child, miscarriage, stillbirth,
We need to look for ways in our daily lives that life has been trivialized. We need to begin to celebrate life in every way.
For example this year my family has buried two children. Theresa died 31 weeks after conception. Joseph died 14 weeks after conception. I tell people I have five children. Three of them I am blessed to be raising and two of them I am blessed to have as Saints in heaven.
Now I could just tell people that I had one stillbirth and one miscarriage. I could then tell people that I one have three children. Kind of looses it’s meaning doesn’t it.
How in even little ways can we bring meaning to life. With out life there is no death, there is mearly a procedure.
Short answer: you can’t.This is the approach I like to use first too, however, sometimes it just doesn’t carry any weight with the person. How do you deal with people who deny science?
You’re right. Good distinction between protection of self and support of a movement. I think I’ve overlooked that in my discussions and it would certainly change my approach.I think sometimes those who argue what is right and good often forget that those arguing for what is wrong and bad are doing so to hide horrible wounds. Think of the person who forced their wife to abort their son. That person can’t talk about biology! They need counseling and much healing.
Anytime you find someone making things up and ignoring facts, tread carefully. Bumping into such a person can cause them to go carnally spastic. They are protecting themselves from reality, not arguing to support a right or movement.
The most common indicator that a person is trying to self-medicate or remain in a neurotic state of mind for personal reasons is that of the over-reaction.You’re right. Good distinction between protection of self and support of a movement. I think I’ve overlooked that in my discussions and it would certainly change my approach.
What differences specifically do you see between the “self-protectors” and the ones who are all about the “rights movment.”?
One of the most difficult conversations I had was with someone who responded with “I know, but…” to every logical, scientific, moral, theological, and social argument. It was like she was saying “I’m going to hold on to this belief despite all the information **I know ** clearly and unequivocally contradicts my pro-abortion position”. She is highly educated in the medical field which just astounds me all the more.There are plenty of people who refuse to think consistently, honestly, or even sanely. Not all of them are hurting.
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Dude that is so ture. You wouldn’t believe how many people equate apathy with some sort of ZenYou left out apathy.
In the world we live in not caring is perhaps the best way of dealing with most of the issues we face but have no power or control over.
you can’t really, pro abortionists are people who are in extreme denial. All of their literature stems from denial and justification.This is the approach I like to use first too, however, sometimes it just doesn’t carry any weight with the person. How do you deal with people who deny science?
no longer pregnant'. In actuality, they are one of 2 parents of a dead child. The termination’ of the pregnancy does not change the fact that their child is now dead.it' would become anything other than a human child? This is not a random chance event! The cell fertilised grows into a child able to survive outside the womb. This it’ will never grow into anything else other than a viable human. How can this `it’ be anything BUT human from the start, then?Fortunately, not all “pro-choice” advocates wish to argue. Instead, many of them are interested in coming to a greater understanding of a complex and emotionally intense issue.There is no amount of arguing with `pro-choice’ advocates.
This has not been my experience at all. Perhaps you have met a few “bad apples”?They keep the focus on the mother and her right to choose, never allowing the focus to be around the true center of the issue: the life of a human being whose ONLY crime was being conceived.
If all you are interested in is people who “sacrifice children on the altars of their own convenience,” then perhaps you are in the wrong thread. As I understand it, this thread was about genuinely attempting to understand those who support the right to abortion.The simple truth is words will not dissuade people from sacrificing children on the altars of their own convenience.
There is no `right to abortion’. There is, however, laws protecting those choosing to murder innocent children.As I understand it, this thread was about genuinely attempting to understand those who support the right to abortion.
I am no fan of abortion and would not call myself pro-abortion in a million years. I would even hesitate to call myself pro-choice. Perhaps I am not the person who should be addressing this question. But I’ll do so anyway.I’ve wondered for a while - just how do those who support abortion reconcile their support with the idea that human life is sacred?
Not desperately enough, as you now want to condone the murder of children under the banner of `there are good reason too’.Having once been a practicing Catholic, I desperately wanted to agree with Church teaching on this issue.