How do Catholics admit divorced people?

[Wannano]

Indeed, but some, despite not doing so, are no longer prohibited from being loved and graced members of the Church and are fully welcomed by us to be involved in almost all aspects of our Christian life except the Communion line and possibly Confession… for the moment.

I hope you hold likewise

For the moment. And when this soon changes I presume that the Church will presume God has changed Is mind also!?

 

[BlackFriar]

BlackFriar:

Indeed, but some, despite not doing so, are no longer prohibited from being loved and graced members of the Church and are fully welcomed by us to be involved in almost all aspects of our Christian life except the Communion line and possibly Confession… for the moment.

I hope you hold likewise

For the moment. And when this soon changes I presume that the Church will presume God has changed his mind also!?

Before 1983 they were excommunicated.
Did God change his mind then.

 

[Wannano]

Wannano:

BlackFriar:

Indeed, but some, despite not doing so, are no longer prohibited from being loved and graced members of the Church and are fully welcomed by us to be involved in almost all aspects of our Christian life except the Communion line and possibly Confession… for the moment.

I hope you hold likewise

For the moment. And when this soon changes I presume that the Church will presume God has changed his mind also!?

Before 1983 they were excommunicated.
Did God change his mind then.

I doubt it…does the Church claim He did?

 

[BlackFriar]

I suggest it might be worth you studying your faith and its history a little more if you want to make further meaningful contributions on this topic.

 

[Wannano]

I suggest it might be worth you studying your faith and its history a little more if you want to make further meaningful contributions on this topic.

Very interesting comment (that is if you are talking to me.) Are you presuming I am Catholic?

 

[Vico]

Wannano:

BlackFriar:

Indeed, but some, despite not doing so, are no longer prohibited from being loved and graced members of the Church and are fully welcomed by us to be involved in almost all aspects of our Christian life except the Communion line and possibly Confession… for the moment.

I hope you hold likewise

For the moment. And when this soon changes I presume that the Church will presume God has changed his mind also!?

Before 1983 they were excommunicated.
Did God change his mind then.

The automatic excommunication penalty for divorced and remarried American Catholics was imposed in the USA by the Plenary Council of Baltimore of 1884 and existed only in the United States until 1977. Those that were excommunicated were still required to attend Mass on Sundays and holy days of obligation.

 

[rcwitness]

Thanks Vico…

What did the “excommunication” consist of, what was lifted in 1977 and what remained?

 

[Vico]

Thanks Vico…

What did the “excommunication” consist of, what was lifted in 1977 and what remained?

Pastoral Letter of the Fifth Provincial Council of Baltimore (n. 8) has:

“It is manifestly clear that they are guilty of the gravest crime, who seek for a marriage to be dissolved by a civil magistrate, or, what is worse, after a civil divorce is obtained, try to enter into a new marriage, while the legitimate bond, which still remains before God and the Church, becomes of less account. To cure these ills, we establish the penalty of excommunication, reserved to the Ordinary, incurred ipso facto by those who, after they have obtained a civil divorce, dare to attempt marriage”

The excommunication for divorce and remarriage began with the Fifth Provincial Council of Baltimore in 1843. The Provincial Councils of Baltimore were in 1829, 1833, 1837, 1840, 1843, 1846, and 1849. The Plenary Councils of Baltimore were in 1852, 1866, and 1884.

For divorce only, it was only in force in the USA from 1843 to 1884 when it was rescinded. But for divorced that remarried, it remained in force in the USA between the years of 1884 and 1977. (From the Third Plenary Council of Baltimore.)

• n. 124 - Attempt to contract marriage after a civil divorce brings excommunication reserved to the Ordinary
• n. 127 - Marriage contracted before a non-Catholic minister brings excommunication reserved to the Ordinary

The second excommunication (n. 127) applied to American Catholics who married (or attempted marriage) before a non-Catholic minister. This excommunication was later complemented by canon 2319 of the 1917 Code of Canon Law, which in turn was modified in 1953 to subsume the U.S.-only excommunication. The excommunication of canon 2319 was subsequently lifted (retroactively) by Pope Paul VI in the 1970 Motu proprio Matrimonia Mixta.

Catholics who disregarded canonical form before non-Catholic ministers were automatically excommunicated per 1917 CIC 2319 § 1, 1º.

 

[deacon3b]

Well if you were in the geographic domicile of my parish initially you would be speaking with me since I am in charge of marriage prep and processes involved with attempts at annulment and regularizing marriages. With that in mind I would probably give you a huge hug and say WELCOME HOME! After that we would sit down and evaluate your situation along with including the pastor and most likely begin an annulment process. Then I would encourage you to participate in the life of the parish as much as allowed. I would invite you to attend the RCIA classes (I wouldn’t require it). I would invite you to the various activities in the life of the Church. I would encourage you to become involved as much as possible and allowable with your comfort level and situation. Then, as directed by the Holy Father’s encyclical I would gently explain to you that, according to the Holy Father, and the teachings of the Catholic Church (outlined in the Catechism) along with the teachings supported by scripture you are to abstain from intimacy with your spouse at least until your marriage (God Willing) situation is regularized. For Referernce on the words of the Holy Father see Saint John Paul the Great’s exhortation Familiaris consortio Chapter 84, For the outlined teachings of the Catholic Church, CCC 1650, and scriputre Matthew 19. My Parish Priest and I have a great working relationship. For sacramental needs I would then send you to our Priest and begin the healing welcome home.

 

[rcwitness]

By the way… we’re the two people in the OP’s hypothetical situation married in the Catholic Sacrament, or did they rent a minister online, or go to some seedy establishment in Las Vegas, or merely go to a state judge, or something?

 

[Vico]

By the way… we’re the two people in the OP’s hypothetical situation married in the Catholic Sacrament, or did they rent a minister online, or go to some seedy establishment in Las Vegas, or merely go to a state judge, or something?

From the first post: “raised Catholic but fell away from the church, got married”.

 

[rcwitness]

rcwitness:

By the way… we’re the two people in the OP’s hypothetical situation married in the Catholic Sacrament, or did they rent a minister online, or go to some seedy establishment in Las Vegas, or merely go to a state judge, or something?

From the first post: “raised Catholic but fell away from the church, got married”.

I suppose falling away from faith has difficult consequences. Desiring to receive His eucharist is a move towards the faith fallen away from.

Living in a manner worthy of His call is what receiving His body and blood is testifying to.

I can say this with real conviction and experience in my own life. And it’s not a wasted effort. It’s not a burden doing what is good and right. It is its own reward. Peace and joy, knowing we are receiving in a worthy manner.

This is the source and summit of our life. Coming to Him is not possible if we are going to sin.

 

[BlackFriar]

Why not try a Hindu forum?
Catholics are very slow to divorce.