How do Catholics hear the Gospel?

[Pixie_Dust]

I found this story a while back, dug it out again (I gots Google skillz ) and it was suggested that I share it in a new thread. Enjoy!

 

[eucharisteo]

 

[adstrinity]

Heh. Cute.

 

[Apryl]

I found this story a while back, dug it out again (I gots Google skillz ) and it was suggested that I share it in a new thread. Enjoy!

Great article.

Reading this, though, I couldn’t help but think of how I’ve responded in the past to similar comments.

Sometimes, I’m defensive. Sometimes, I’m angry. Sometimes, I sulk away because I don’t know what to say.

At least at this time, today, or rather, tonight, would be able to respond to specific concerns. I gotta do better.

 

[Vile_Servant]

wonderful, thanks for sharing!

 

[Anna_Scott]

I found this story a while back, dug it out again (I gots Google skillz ) and it was suggested that I share it in a new thread. Enjoy!

Glad you started the Thread.

Anna

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

is there a book that contains these prayers in the pews? I went to a mass and was a little lost it would have been nice if I could have read and better understood what was being said. I thought it was beautiful but would have appreciated it all the more. I do think this points to a problem with a repiticious prayer. It is all to easy to recite the words without them meaning anything to your heart. the same can be said of worship songs that we sing a lot. we get to know them so well that we can sing worshipful words to the LORD while thinking about going fishing:blush: like Hes sitting up there in need of a concert.

 

[Nine_Two]

is there a book that contains these prayers in the pews? I went to a mass and was a little lost it would have been nice if I could have read and better understood what was being said. I thought it was beautiful but would have appreciated it all the more. I do think this points to a problem with a repiticious prayer. It is all to easy to recite the words without them meaning anything to your heart. the same can be said of worship songs that we sing a lot. we get to know them so well that we can sing worshipful words to the LORD while thinking about going fishing:blush: like Hes sitting up there in need of a concert.

You’re right, it is real easy to say stuff without it having any meaning in your heart, but I think it is an individual responsibility for people to actually make sure they know what it is they are saying. I don’t think any Church organization can be faulted for this.

 

[Cursilista]

is there a book that contains these prayers in the pews? I went to a mass and was a little lost it would have been nice if I could have read and better understood what was being said. I thought it was beautiful but would have appreciated it all the more. I do think this points to a problem with a repiticious prayer. It is all to easy to recite the words without them meaning anything to your heart. the same can be said of worship songs that we sing a lot. we get to know them so well that we can sing worshipful words to the LORD while thinking about going fishing:blush: like Hes sitting up there in need of a concert.

yes there is a book in the pews, its called the missilete. All of the words of the mass are in that book.

There are dvds out there that explain the entire liturgy of the mass by priest. It is a beautiful celebration once you understand the meaning behind everything. Everything that is done in the mass is based on scripture.

Yes unfortunately, some do just recite the words without feeling them in their heart.

A short explanation of the mass can be found in the story of the road to amais where two followers of jesus were distraught over the death of our Lord. They were feeling that it was all over. Jesus appeared to them and walked with them. They didnt know who he was.

Jesus went over sacred scripture with them explaining how the coming of our lord was foretold in the writitngs of the hebrews and that everything that happened, his dying and ressurection had happened just as had been foretold.

The Mass does this same thing by having readings from the old testament, new testament and Gospel proclaimed at every mass

Then jesus is invited by the two men to dine with them. When jesus took the bread and broke it, his true identity was revealed to the men.

We celebrate that breaking of the bread in the celebration of the eucharist.

So the mass has two parts, the reading of the scriptures and the breaking of the bread.

Next time you attend mass, find a catholic friend who is knowledgable in the parts of the mass go with you

God Bless

 

[Anna_Scott]

is there a book that contains these prayers in the pews? I went to a mass and was a little lost it would have been nice if I could have read and better understood what was being said. I thought it was beautiful but would have appreciated it all the more. I do think this points to a problem with a repiticious prayer. It is all to easy to recite the words without them meaning anything to your heart. the same can be said of worship songs that we sing a lot. we get to know them so well that we can sing worshipful words to the LORD while thinking about going fishing:blush: like Hes sitting up there in need of a concert.

MyRdmrLvs,

The worship services in the Episcopal Church I am visiting, are liturgical. The liturgy is printed and given to each person as they enter the Sanctuary. So even visitors can follow the service and participate. The prayers and confessions are very similar to a Catholic Mass. I’ve actually compared the liturgy of the two (Liturgies are online for both Episcopal and Catholic Services.) There is some variation from week to week; but there is much repetition.

I have found the liturgy, and the reverence of the services, has the opposite effect. I am much more focused on God, Christ, the Holy Spirit. The environment is more conducive to self reflection and repentance. So, I am better prepared for the Eucharist.

There are so many distractions in the Protestant Churches I’ve attended.

I grew up in Baptist Churches. Before I left the Baptist Church, I began to feel disturbed by the entertainment factor-with live Orchestra and professional singers. It is good to lift our voices in praise, but that can reach a level, which calls more attention to the talent of the singers, than to the praise of God.

In addition, the Episcopal Church has far more Scripture read during the Worship Service. This was really quite a surprise. The emphasis is on the Word of God, and the Eucharist (celebrated every Sunday and Thursdays) rather than the oratory skills of the Priest.

In the Baptist Church, the Sermon is usually based on a couple of verses. Most of the Sermon involves the Minister expounding on his interpretation of those passages. Minimal Scripture, maximum commentary. The Lord’s Supper is celebrated monthly, at most.

Anna

 

[MyzTek]

is there a book that contains these prayers in the pews? I went to a mass and was a little lost it would have been nice if I could have read and better understood what was being said. I thought it was beautiful but would have appreciated it all the more. I do think this points to a problem with a repiticious prayer. It is all to easy to recite the words without them meaning anything to your heart. the same can be said of worship songs that we sing a lot. we get to know them so well that we can sing worshipful words to the LORD while thinking about going fishing:blush: like Hes sitting up there in need of a concert.

Most of the parishes in my diocese have either missals or liturgical aids that cover the current part of the year in the back so you can grab one on your way in if you need it. I can’t say if this is done everywhere, as I have not been in a parish outside my diocese.

peace

 

[adstrinity]

There’s no missallette in the pews in the church closest to me. IF there is (IF you decide to go again, MyRdmrLvs), there may be one near the entrance to the church (either just inside the building or the actual church part), or in the pews. It would be soft cover and about the size of a paperback.

 

[eucharisteo]

is there a book that contains these prayers in the pews? I went to a mass and was a little lost it would have been nice if I could have read and better understood what was being said. I thought it was beautiful but would have appreciated it all the more. I do think this points to a problem with a repiticious prayer. It is all to easy to recite the words without them meaning anything to your heart. the same can be said of worship songs that we sing a lot. we get to know them so well that we can sing worshipful words to the LORD while thinking about going fishing:blush: like Hes sitting up there in need of a concert.

In the Church of Christ the men would say prayers “from the heart”. The problem with it then, based on your last comments, is that they usually said the same thing each and every time. I have a huge Protestant family on both my wife’s side and my side. They pray from the heart as I used to be one of those that stood up in the front to pray the dismissal prayer or the Lord’s Supper prayers. When I prayed, having been a former Catholic, the congregation would often approach me and tell me what a beautiful prayer. I think had they known that many of my prayers, though alwasys prayed from the heart, were in essence prewritten prayers that I knew growing up from daily mass and scripture reading. Now that I’m Catholic again I feel like I was possessed by some external being for having been away. It took me years to get used to not being the one to say the prayers. We also have a huge church leadership family, elders, deacons, preachers.

All prayers are always supposed to be prayed from the heart. Anything less is a vain repetition of clanging whatever. We, including Protestants, are all guilty of not praying words instead of from the heart when called upon to pray publically. If you haven’t done this then you simply may not realize it. We, former members of the Church of Christ, make fun of ourselfs all the time for having done so. The joke goes that “you know your church of Christ when you believe the Guide, Guard and Direct are one work guideguardanddirect”.

 

[Linda_Marie]

I don’t think we can decide that some people are just going through the motions while at Mass, much less judge that theirs are empty prayers or that they are not saying them from their heart. I think this is an unfair accusation. How can we possibly know what is going on in another’s heart? It is uncharitable to assume the worst.

 

[eucharisteo]

I don’t think we can decide that some people are just going through the motions while at Mass, much less judge that theirs are empty prayers or that they are not saying them from their heart. I think this is an unfair accusation. How can we possibly know what is going on in another’s heart? It is uncharitable to assume the worst.

I agree. But many Protestants believe that’s what we’re doing.

 

[reteeks21]

I agree. But many Protestants believe that’s what we’re doing.

Very true. What so many Protestants fail to see-or admit-is that so many of their fellow protesters are doing the same blasted thing.

 

[Apryl]

Very true. What so many Protestants fail to see-or admit-is that so many of their fellow protesters are doing the same blasted thing.

Let’s be real: BOTH sides are guilty of doing this - being there in body but not in spirit, and complaining of the behavior of others.

This is nothing to try to challenge the other side on, esp if you don’t have your house in order!

And I think that even the most devout, at some time, can zone out. Let’s cut the finger wagging…

EVERY ONE!

 

[Anna_Scott]

I found this story a while back, dug it out again (I gots Google skillz ) and it was suggested that I share it in a new thread. Enjoy!

Pixie Dust,

I started a new Thread and I quoted your OP and link to this Thread. Topics are very similar.

Protestants: Sinner’s Prayer-What must it say and does it assure Salvation?

I am a former Baptist, visiting an Episcopal Church. I know that most Baptists and many other Protestant Christians believe one must pray some form of what is called the “Sinner’s Prayer” to receive salvation.

For those who believe in the Sinner’s Prayer:

(1.) What elements must the Sinner’s Prayer contain?

(2.) If all the elements of the Sinner’s Prayer are prayed, with a sincere heart, does that assure salvation immediately and forever, even before judgment?

or

(3.) If all the elements of the Sinner’s Prayer are prayed, with a sincere heart, does that place a person on the path to salvation, without assurance of salvation, until judgment?

(4.) What Scriptures reveal the need to pray the Sinner’s Prayer?

(5.) What is the approximate date of the earliest known practice of the Sinner’s Prayer?

I welcome all comments.

Anna

Anna

 

[Publisher]

Let’s be real: BOTH sides are guilty of doing this - being there in body but not in spirit, and complaining of the behavior of others.

This is nothing to try to challenge the other side on, esp if you don’t have your house in order!

And I think that even the most devout, at some time, can zone out. Let’s cut the finger wagging…

EVERY ONE!

Agreed, just look at the “Sinner’s Prayer” thread…

 

[Carlan]

yes there is a book in the pews, its called the missilete. All of the words of the mass are in that book.

There are dvds out there that explain the entire liturgy of the mass by priest. It is a beautiful celebration once you understand the meaning behind everything. Everything that is done in the mass is based on scripture.

Yes unfortunately, some do just recite the words without feeling them in their heart.

A short explanation of the mass can be found in the story of the road to amais where two followers of jesus were distraught over the death of our Lord. They were feeling that it was all over. Jesus appeared to them and walked with them. They didnt know who he was.

Jesus went over sacred scripture with them explaining how the coming of our lord was foretold in the writitngs of the hebrews and that everything that happened, his dying and ressurection had happened just as had been foretold.

The Mass does this same thing by having readings from the old testament, new testament and Gospel proclaimed at every mass

Then jesus is invited by the two men to dine with them. When jesus took the bread and broke it, his true identity was revealed to the men.

We celebrate that breaking of the bread in the celebration of the eucharist.

So the mass has two parts, the reading of the scriptures and the breaking of the bread.

Next time you attend mass, find a catholic friend who is knowledgable in the parts of the mass go with you

God Bless

thank you, Cursilista, my favorite scripture, ‘On the road to Emmaus’ Luke 24:13-35
God bless, Peace, Carlan