How do catholics really view us Atheists?

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I’m really curious to know without it being sugar coated. I’ve seen alot of what seems to me like hate mongering on various threads and posts and I want to know if that’s the way the average catholic or christian feels. The more I read the more I see things like “the devils children” or some such thing. Really? Just because we don’t believe in a god? Are we that hated? Not that I believe there’s a devil either but I don’t have to believe there’s a devil to get the point in that statement.

I’m not trying to start a flame war or anything, I’d just really like to know how we’re percieved and why.
Darkness isn’s the opposite of light…it is the absence of light.
In that same sense, Atheism isn’t the presence of evil…it is the absence of faith.

You are given free will to live your life in a good way or in a bad way, regardless of whether you choose to acknowledge that God gave you that life.

The way I see an atheists life is a life absent of the acknowledgement of the presence of God.

As a person with faith, I feel I can do nothing according to God’s will without asking and acknowledging Him. Aetheists fail to recognize that love and accept those graces ONLY God can give us, if we ask. A relationship with God is the acknowledgement of free will to have faith and believe in God.
 
I’m really curious to know without it being sugar coated. I’ve seen alot of what seems to me like hate mongering on various threads and posts and I want to know if that’s the way the average catholic or christian feels. The more I read the more I see things like “the devils children” or some such thing. Really? Just because we don’t believe in a god? Are we that hated? Not that I believe there’s a devil either but I don’t have to believe there’s a devil to get the point in that statement.

I’m not trying to start a flame war or anything, I’d just really like to know how we’re percieved and why.

Sympathetic understanding of atheism in Catholicism is very recent - until a couple of generations ago, the attitude was of condemnation; without much understanding - the idea being that the excellence of Catholicism was so obvious & undeniable, that only in very abnormal circumstances could anyone ***not ***be regarded as sinful for denying the CC was the true Church. As can be imagined, if that left non-Catholic Christians in a bad way,it certainly did not imply much respect for those who were so disgusted by the vices of the CC that they could not believe in its God.​

I think a lot of people reject, not God, but what the Churches have made of God. A God who sides with a Church that wrongs the weak & defenceless is a God many find incredible & evil; surely rightly. All too often, that has been the God of Christians - he’s kept the mighty strong & rich, & the poor & weak in their place: the complete opposite of the God described in the Magnificat. IMNSHO, that is a far greater blasphemy and sacrilege than any desecration of the Eucharist.
 
Sympathetic understanding of atheism in Catholicism is very recent - until a couple of generations ago, the attitude was of condemnation; without much understanding
I would think it is common for any human to be of such manner incorrectly (to think their position is obviously right). As far as I can tell doctrine on the matter has remained rather consistant, even if the common person is leaning to the more liberal extreme rather than conservative extreme (whether thats the case or not I don’t know).

I do not think it would be charitable to paint a brush in such a way against catholic individuals, though certainly (if they are of the true faith) they should act better than the common person.
 
You were not replying to me, but when I read this I wanted to ask you something. Why would you think athiests or agnostics think you are a moron for being Catholic? If my christian friends thought that I considered their faith to make them morons, I don’t think we would be friends. :o

:confused:

It depends on how you define cult, even on this site I have seen that word used in two ways. One way seems to be meant in a positive way and the other is meant to define christian fringe groups.

No argument there.🙂

If only it was so simple. We all must live together in this world no matter what we believe or don’t. Surely you like to believe things that are true, and not false? If you encountered a person who thought you were wishing for their demise, wouldn’t you like to tell them they were wrong for thinking that?
I’m sure there are many atheists who would like to see the end of religion altogether. Sitll, their opinion is irrelevant. Unless, of course, they are trying to make religion illegal.

Your demise? You can’t control what other people wish. Laws can control what other people do. Since murder is illegal here, it’s unlikely that you will be killed for being an agnostic.

I still can’t figure out why you care what anyone thinks of what you believe. It really is that simple. Live and let live. If you refuse to discuss religion, no one will know what you think. And your demise, well, you won’t have to worry about that.

If you insist on debating (apparently for the sake of being understood) you’re going to have to put up with other people’s opinions, even when they don’t like you for yours. That’s life.

So, if you’re very sensitive about what others think about you, pick your topics carefully.
 
I would think it is common for any human to be of such manner incorrectly (to think their position is obviously right). As far as I can tell doctrine on the matter has remained rather consistant, even if the common person is leaning to the more liberal extreme rather than conservative extreme (whether thats the case or not I don’t know).

I do not think it would be charitable to paint a brush in such a way against catholic individuals, though certainly (if they are of the true faith) they should act better than the common person.

It’s fascinating to read an author such as Riccardo Lombardi, S.J., who about 70 years ago wrote a book of which the English title is (IIRC) “The Salvation of the Unbeliever”. He goes to some trouble to show why atheists are not as guilty of sin as the common opinion of the time held them to be - & the text makes clear that what he was saying was, to say the least of it, an unsual theological position. Obviously one can’t say what individuals thought, about atheism, or anything else - unless they record their positions. And many did.​

He worked during the period that led up to the positions taken by Vatican II, just before the “new theology” associated with de Lubac & Congar was assimilated into Catholic theology; they were deeply influenced by the great Greek Fathers :D, whereas he is very clearly in what might be called the “Tridentine” & scholastic tradition (This difference is behind a lot of the Council’s theology). But that as they say is another kettle of fish.
 

It’s fascinating to read an author such as Riccardo Lombardi, S.J., who about 70 years ago wrote a book of which the English title is (IIRC) “The Salvation of the Unbeliever”. He goes to some trouble to show why atheists are not as guilty of sin as the common opinion of the time held them to be - & the text makes clear that what he was saying was, to say the least of it, an unsual theological position.​

Well of course atheism is sinful (whether he says so or not) like heresy, and that remains a current teaching (and I do not think it is wise to make a judgment of culpability either way). The question is culpability in the matter, and, on that ground, the door to tolerance has always been open doctrinally whether the majority of catholics view it in that way or not (which I said is another matter). However, I have not read the man, so I may be missing the point.

I remain in relative ignorance to the latter (on public opinion), and I would think things have gone in a more lax extremity than the opposite extremity of past decades (but I could be wrong). So in that sense, I suppose we may agree, though I think the average person might have passed the happy mean between the two extremes and now be at the opposite (but less evil?) extreme that basically excludes the possibility that one may be culpable of it.

As far as doctrine (what the ‘Church’ says), that has not seemed to change on the subject even as far as the presentation of that doctrine has went (perhaps I could be wrong on the presentation?) That was my point of contention/clarification as well as that thinking one’s position is ‘obviously right’ (and anyone who thinks otherwise has littel human value) is by no means an evil catholic phenomenon, and is still a very present evil in this day, and I find it often held by people stressing an ‘everyone-is-right’ world view. Pride and judgmental attitudes are tricky little beasts that love irony and contradiction.
 
I respect atheists view. I don’t want to be the person that yells “sinner”! But I’m pretty liberal.
 
I’m really curious to know without it being sugar coated. I’ve seen alot of what seems to me like hate mongering on various threads and posts and I want to know if that’s the way the average catholic or christian feels. The more I read the more I see things like “the devils children” or some such thing. Really? Just because we don’t believe in a god? Are we that hated? Not that I believe there’s a devil either but I don’t have to believe there’s a devil to get the point in that statement.

I’m not trying to start a flame war or anything, I’d just really like to know how we’re percieved and why.
My first reaction to how I feel toward atheists is pity. I feel pity for those who can’t see God in creation alone because that is a certain kind of blindness. Searching for truth and God is like having blinders taken off. A person who is an atheist is like someone who until they have the gift of sight can’t see color. It is hard communicating between theists and atheists because we are talking about different things. I know some of them feel we are blind, but we certainly believe that they are.

I certainly don’t hate atheists, I think I’ve passed through that phase myself - but I don’t appreciate being baited by them either.
 
The atheists I know have all been incredibly aggressive in their non-belief and very arrogant about their “superior” intelligence. The irony is that, I have always had respectful and reasoned responses and all I get in return is mockery and, frankly, stupidity. The most recent example of this would be, someone who was responding to my arguments from Aquinas’ Summa Contra Gentiles, giving a retort about “the magic man” who made the world and “his zombie kid”. Immature. And stupid.
 
The atheists I know have all been incredibly aggressive in their non-belief and very arrogant about their “superior” intelligence. The irony is that, I have always had respectful and reasoned responses and all I get in return is mockery and, frankly, stupidity. The most recent example of this would be, someone who was responding to my arguments from Aquinas’ Summa Contra Gentiles, giving a retort about “the magic man” who made the world and “his zombie kid”. Immature. And stupid.

Agreed ! It really tests your goodwill when someone you never met in your life spews out venom at you.

Its worrying to know that some people feel that way.

And I have to say " We serve a Mighty God ."

Tonette
 
I’m really curious to know without it being sugar coated. I’ve seen alot of what seems to me like hate mongering on various threads and posts and I want to know if that’s the way the average catholic or christian feels. The more I read the more I see things like “the devils children” or some such thing. Really? Just because we don’t believe in a god? Are we that hated? Not that I believe there’s a devil either but I don’t have to believe there’s a devil to get the point in that statement.

I’m not trying to start a flame war or anything, I’d just really like to know how we’re percieved and why.
As a Cathloic I hope I they live there life as if there is a God,
and die to find out there isn’t, than live my life
as if there isn’t, and die to find out there is.
 
Beloved souls in need of a Savior. My heart breaks for them. When I am angry at them it is the anger and frustration one feels when the one you love rejects you at every turn.
 
I’m really curious to know without it being sugar coated. I’ve seen alot of what seems to me like hate mongering on various threads and posts and I want to know if that’s the way the average catholic or christian feels. The more I read the more I see things like “the devils children” or some such thing. Really? Just because we don’t believe in a god? Are we that hated? Not that I believe there’s a devil either but I don’t have to believe there’s a devil to get the point in that statement.

I’m not trying to start a flame war or anything, I’d just really like to know how we’re percieved and why.
I would rather live my life as if there is a God,
and die to find out there isn’t, than live my life
as if there isn’t, and die to find out there is.
 
I have never met someone who identified themself as an atheist.

I know a lot of agnostics, but I have never known someone to say, “there is no God” 🤷

God bless
Oh, I believe you. I’m just surprised.

Nice to know the whole country isn’t like college campuses! 😛
 
Where I live atheists are culturally dominant in the extreme. There are very aggressive antitheists teaching in public schools, serving in public office, making policy, often in the midst of enormous conflicts of interest, and anyone who says anything about it, even tentatively, runs a risk of physical, financial or political harm.
I grew up atheist. I was reared to sneer, play pranks, and swear at anyone talking religion around me, as long as it wasn’t in school or court or anything. As I grew up and became part of a more and more dominant group, I became self-satisfied, no longer questioning anything. But all kinds of clues eventually, slowly, inch by inch, led me from atheism through many other belief systems to Christianity. I used to say all the things most antitheist debaters say to me, and I stopped saying or believing those things because they aren’t true. For example, the blame-everything-bad-in-history-on-religion-especially-Christianity cycle shattered upon a cool and no-holds-barred study of actual history. The equate-religion-with-repression set of arguments fell apart upon the rocks of the real way we were treating those who dissented versus how religious folks did. And the arguments that believing in God was somehow inherently irrational because it was possible not to collapsed when I tried to come up with any worldview that was provable without resort to the unproven at any stage. These are just some of the reasons I jumped ship. There is a lot more.
As I tried to share my thinking process with friends, I saw their other side. Peopel I had seen as warm and gentle suddenly turned raving, hissing, and otherwise extremely hateful. As this slowly disillusioned me with one good friend after another, I met Christians adn saw how much they quietly do for others, even for those who mock them. I remembered all the kind Christians in my life who had helped me while I made fun of them and who always said they loved me.
I have no hate for anyone. When I seek to help people to find a good thing (truth, heaven, life e.g.) and avoid a bad thing (illusion, hell), knowing they will try to make me sorry but knwoing I have to try because I care about them and so does God, it takes a real mustering of courage. When they then approach me later and sneer, give me hate stares, ask me whether I’ve ever heard of (fill in the blank) and then scream at me non stop when I begin to reply, then run, and these are neighbors, people I can’t avoid, and then I hear that they are telling one another that I have stopped thinking and it’s sad, I can deal with it. But when they accuse me of having no motive but hatred, and then won’t give an example that answers the question, well, if I get snide in return, I don’t mean to. It’s just frustration.
 
Where I live atheists are culturally dominant in the extreme. There are very aggressive antitheists teaching in public schools, serving in public office, making policy, often in the midst of enormous conflicts of interest, and anyone who says anything about it, even tentatively, runs a risk of physical, financial or political harm.
I grew up atheist. I was reared to sneer, play pranks, and swear at anyone talking religion around me, as long as it wasn’t in school or court or anything. As I grew up and became part of a more and more dominant group, I became self-satisfied, no longer questioning anything. But all kinds of clues eventually, slowly, inch by inch, led me from atheism through many other belief systems to Christianity. I used to say all the things most antitheist debaters say to me, and I stopped saying or believing those things because they aren’t true. For example, the blame-everything-bad-in-history-on-religion-especially-Christianity cycle shattered upon a cool and no-holds-barred study of actual history. The equate-religion-with-repression set of arguments fell apart upon the rocks of the real way we were treating those who dissented versus how religious folks did. And the arguments that believing in God was somehow inherently irrational because it was possible not to collapsed when I tried to come up with any worldview that was provable without resort to the unproven at any stage. These are just some of the reasons I jumped ship. There is a lot more.
As I tried to share my thinking process with friends, I saw their other side. Peopel I had seen as warm and gentle suddenly turned raving, hissing, and otherwise extremely hateful. As this slowly disillusioned me with one good friend after another, I met Christians adn saw how much they quietly do for others, even for those who mock them. I remembered all the kind Christians in my life who had helped me while I made fun of them and who always said they loved me.
I have no hate for anyone. When I seek to help people to find a good thing (truth, heaven, life e.g.) and avoid a bad thing (illusion, hell), knowing they will try to make me sorry but knwoing I have to try because I care about them and so does God, it takes a real mustering of courage. When they then approach me later and sneer, give me hate stares, ask me whether I’ve ever heard of (fill in the blank) and then scream at me non stop when I begin to reply, then run, and these are neighbors, people I can’t avoid, and then I hear that they are telling one another that I have stopped thinking and it’s sad, I can deal with it. But when they accuse me of having no motive but hatred, and then won’t give an example that answers the question, well, if I get snide in return, I don’t mean to. It’s just frustration.
God bless you, survive, aka, strnghmrth, for your kind patience and love of the poor atheists. I strive for such charity, but it is a struggle. May Jesus have mercy on us all and lead us to the eternal Love that can never end.

Love, in Him,
Scott

((((survive))))
 
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