How do i argue against immodest modeling?

[JesuXPIPassio]

It brings up a very fundamental point in modeling: what are they modeling? The clothes, right? So how come they try to show off what’s under the clothes rather than the clothes themselves.

I’ve dated two models; my nephews also were commercial models, and I plan to go into modeling sometime in 2009 (have to work on my body), and I have thought about this a bit. It’s silly – where’s the sense in wearing almost no clothes if it’s the clothes you’re trying to sell? I know it’s to get people interested, but are you willing to lower yourself down for a couple (hundred) bucks?

But, well, maybe you could bring that point up with her: what’s she trying to sell: the clothes or her body?

 

[edjco]

Drummer,
I did a fair bit of model photography in the past, and I can tell you that anyone looking to get into this type of work should be very careful. Number one, you said that her parents have already spent a great deal of money on her “career”. That is pretty much never necessary.
The modeling world is filled with con artists. Modeling schools, photographers and agents in many cases dupe young ladies out of enormous sums of money all while playing to their vanity.
I can tell you that if the website for the company that wants to bring her to L.A. has inappropriate links on it’s site, I would run away as fast as I can from that company. Why would a legitimate business allow this?
She can probably learn a bit more about these cons by visiting a place like onemodelplace.com They (at least back when) have a good bit of information on the common scams.
I personally photographed a young lady from a very conservative background who was promised fame and riches if she would travel to California. Against my advice and the advice of her model friends, she went anyway. She is now sort of famous, although not by her real name, as she is an “up and coming” porn star. That one little trip was all it took, as she became more and more immodest to the point that I fear she is lost.
There is also a website by former porn actress Shelly Lubben, who left porn to return to Christ and now (along with other former stars) are fighting the porn industry. The reason I bring that up is when you read the bio’s of these ladies, almost to a person, they started with modeling.
If anyone thinks that modeling is not a gateway to porn, you are sadly mistaken. That’s not to say that all modeling is bad, it’s not. But there isn’t a girl out there with a portfolio that hasn’t received a recruiting attempt from the porn industry. Many don’t even realize it.
I have to sort of disagree with other posters above, though. While I think it may be prudent to step back from the relationship, I would suggest that you at least remain her friend, since it sounds like you may be the only one willing and able at this point to save her.
And I really mean “save” her.

 

[fbl9]

since it sounds like you may be the only one willing and able at this point to save her.
And I really mean “save” her.

and that is one of the main reasons i told the op to try and remain in this relationship with her.

 

[Caesar517]

Yes. Some of it.

Plus depends on what you consider degrading. Can you elaborate?

At this point, I believe you are merely seeking confrontation. Goodbye.

 

[chevalier]

How can you “model” a big cleavage? Surely you’ve either got it or you haven’t…

“Tops showing a lot of cleavage,” for the pedants.

Thongs are generally worn by women *under *their clothing…so as not to have a “panty line” showing…

And in this case we are obviously not talking about underwear being worn under or else we wouldn’t even know it’s thongs.

Do you have a problem with this as well…?

Probably not as big as you have with any opposition to a bit of sex lib in clothing or behaviour, but yeah. I do have a problem with underwear showing in the open and I do have a problem with anything sexually appealing being used to sell any goods, which is basically selling sex for cash, just with a couple of intermediary stages in between.

Yes. Some of it.

Plus depends on what you consider degrading. Can you elaborate?

I shall gladly elaborate in his stead. Degrading is anything which reduces the dignity of a person. Something which turns a person into an object is degrading.

I would suggest that you at least remain her friend, since it sounds like you may be the only one willing and able at this point to save her.
And I really mean “save” her.

Agreed (without getting into a discussion of saving).

 

[edjco]

DON’T GO THERE! I surely didn’t mean to start a discussion on salvation! I just meant to maybe save her from some really bad things…

 

[littledrummrboy]

wow…thanks everybody!
The posts are great and so are the sites, especially the ex-pornstar one

I was wanting to get her a book to go with her christmas present and I’ve looked at the Christian stores here in town and online, and it seems like most of them are geared towards abstinence from sex. I’m looking for something that is more focused on modesty and maybe even modeling or sex in the media or advertising. I’ve found a few online, but they are still more towards abstinence and stuff like that, similar to the Jason Evert books.

Has anybody read anything they think would be a good idea?

 

[fbl9]

wow…thanks everybody!
The posts are great and so are the sites, especially the ex-pornstar one

I was wanting to get her a book to go with her christmas present and I’ve looked at the Christian stores here in town and online, and it seems like most of them are geared towards abstinence from sex. I’m looking for something that is more focused on modesty and maybe even modeling or sex in the media or advertising. I’ve found a few online, but they are still more towards abstinence and stuff like that, similar to the Jason Evert books.

Has anybody read anything they think would be a good idea?

meself i would avoid giving her books on which the topic deals with what is at odds in your relationship.
i would be aiming at reading material that gives her positive female role models.lives of female saints and such.

 

[littledrummrboy]

yeah, you’re probably right

so i was on the website again trying to find information, allthough there isn’t any (that’s legitimate) -its all pictures- and i accidentally came upon more pictures of the models from the agency…and half of them were naked…

so I need to talk to my girlfriend’s parents, I’ve had some success in talking to her, but i dont know the best way to go about it without making them angry, because they already seem to dislike me with any mention of modeling, although they are perfectly fine the rest of the time. Is there a good way to go about this, or is it even a good idea? (I’m going to either way)

thanks everyone

 

[hasikelee]

yeah, you’re probably right

so i was on the website again trying to find information, allthough there isn’t any (that’s legitimate) -its all pictures- and i accidentally came upon more pictures of the models from the agency…and half of them were naked…

so I need to talk to my girlfriend’s parents, I’ve had some success in talking to her, but i dont know the best way to go about it without making them angry, because they already seem to dislike me with any mention of modeling, although they are perfectly fine the rest of the time. Is there a good way to go about this, or is it even a good idea? (I’m going to either way)

thanks everyone

I would be less concerned about the modeling per se.

I would be more concerned about other things mentioned in your posts:

-The parents are pressuring their daughter
-She is not being entirely honest w/ you (hiding pictures)
-She acts one way with you and another way with others
-You want to change her and think you can
-You are attempting to bargain w/ her to change her
-You are both still in highschool

 

[littledrummrboy]

im confused as to what you mean by bargaining w/ her, can you enlighten me?

 

[hasikelee]

im confused as to what you mean by bargaining w/ her, can you enlighten me?

I guess I saw most of the issues in this post:

I dont want her to quit modeling, I just want her to do it in a pure, modest way. I did want her to quit for a time, but I realized its selfish and she would resent me for it for the rest of her life. She would quit if i asked her to, but thats not what I want and i know we would be worse off for it

I just want to change the way she sees modeling, and the way she sees herself, for her own good, but its still in the back of my mind to break up with her. I guess its like I’m trying to give her a chance to change.