How do i come up with a good reason why governments shouldn't allow same sex marriage?

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I am having a debate with a friend fo mine who, while Christian, basically holds the position that gay marriage is okay as long as his church is not forced to marry homosexuals. Basically he comes from a nondenominational perspective, so saying marriage is a sacrament doesn’t work. Also, he accuses me of supporting a theocracy when I say that states shouldn’t allow gay marriage and that its intolerant to deny them their rights. He also says that as Christians we have to love others. I tried to tell him how while I don’t support marriage, I am not for violence or discrimination of gays and even recognize some people are born with same sex inclinations (which is why i’m against conversion therapy unless the person wants this… is this in line with church teaching btw?) so how do I argue this. It’s complicated because he is a very devout Christian, but its complicated because he’s very knowledgeable and believes in a lot of typical non-denom teachings (earth is 6000 years old, Faith alone etc). Also how do I not come off sounding like some 16th century papal monarchist who wants a theocracy. I don’t want this, but i am sure he’ll make it sound like i do since he always talks about how bad Christendom was and how people didn’t have jesus in their hearts at this time even though it was the law of the land.

I know there is a lot in here, but any help would be appreciated. Thanks a bunch.

Wild Catholic
 
I am having a debate with a friend of mine who, while Christian, basically holds the position that gay marriage is okay as long as his church is not forced to marry homosexuals. Basically he comes from a nondenominational perspective, so saying marriage is a sacrament doesn’t work. Also, he accuses me of supporting a theocracy when I say that states shouldn’t allow gay marriage and that its intolerant to deny them their rights. He also says that as Christians we have to love others. I tried to tell him how while I don’t support marriage, I am not for violence or discrimination of gays and even recognize some people are born with same sex inclinations (which is why i’m against conversion therapy unless the person wants this… is this in line with church teaching btw?) so how do I argue this. It’s complicated because he is a very devout Christian, but its complicated because he’s very knowledgeable and believes in a lot of typical non-denom teachings (earth is 6000 years old, Faith alone etc). Also how do I not come off sounding like some 16th century papal monarchist who wants a theocracy. I don’t want this, but i am sure he’ll make it sound like i do since he always talks about how bad Christendom was and how people didn’t have jesus in their hearts at this time even though it was the law of the land.

I know there is a lot in here, but any help would be appreciated. Thanks a bunch.

Wild Catholic
Is the Bible true? Partly or completely?

If the Bible is partly true, go talk with someone else, as you are not going to “win” this one.

If it is completely true, then we have to consider what St Paul had to say about homosexuality, as well as marriage; and what Christ had to say about marriage, adultery, and sexual sin.

As to a theocracy, that is a red herring. If there is moral truth, either it is true or not. It can’t be “sort of true”, or true in some circumstances and not in others. And if there is moral truth about homosexuality, then why is this singled out as something the government should ignore?

There used to be rules against sex outside of marriage, but as the country became more and more secularized, sexual activity became a topic the government backed farther and farther away from enforcing. That is not because the moral truth became not true, but rather because the forces of secularism decided that sexual activity - either in or out of marriage - was for individual choice. Many other areas of morality continue to be upheld by the government; but secular society decided that sex was fun, and had no moral consequences. And those who hold this position will not listen to any evidence to the contrary as they have too much invested in their position.

Not all non denominational churches hold the same view. However, given that in such churches, much of the theological direction is at the pastor’s call, one cannot know ahead of time what their call is about sexual morality. Your friend may be in a church that professes to not have a problem with these issues; at which point, move on. You won’t win this one.
 
From the standpoint of U.S., I have a very hard time coming up with reasons for it to be illegal. I believe strongly in a right to privacy, that is a right to not be interfered with unnecessarily in any matters, especially private ones like marriage and reproduction, and I take the Church’s Law to be incumbent upon believers and embodying the guidance for a life that leads to salvation.

So I don’t think that states can necessarily forbid gay marriage on a legal basis; this is a matter I’d rather be decided by the legislature or by plebiscite, and it does bother me that such a large issue is often decided by the Courts, but either way I think that legislation will follow eventually, even if only to clarify the rights and processes that are due to gay couples.

From a legal standpoint, I don’t think that the church’s objection that legalized gay marriage will impinge upon the Church’s to profess what it does not believe (namely, to perform gay marriages) because specific exceptions may be codified. The law could simply be “two individuals of either gender, may enter into a recognized marriage provided a) they are of age of consent b) they are not related c) they enter voluntarily d) they pay the marriage tax and obtain a license 72 hours prior to the ceremony being performed e) they are married by a recognized clergy or representative of the state”

Followed by “No clergy or representative of the state shall be compelled to perform a wedding for any couple, and may decline to do so for any reason.”

The Church is right to point out the immorality of gay marriage and of homosexual relationships, and we are bound by Scripture to do so. But our morality does not codify law, nor (sadly) does it seem to have much impact on it as we continue as a nation to plunge into the abyss of violence, promiscuity and in-fighting.
 
I am having a debate with a friend fo mine who, while Christian, basically holds the position that gay marriage is okay as long as his church is not forced to marry homosexuals…
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Follow the link at the bottom of this post. It will give you about every thing there is to know about it.

Linus2nd
 
This entire debate hinges on exactly what a marriage actually is. And it really is something objectively that none of us, not even the Pope or the Church, has the authority to redefine. It is what it is. People want to turn marriage into simply an affirmation of consensual adult love. That is not what marriage is, nor is it how any previous culture has ever defined it. Such a re-definition cuts children out of the equation completely. This is a grave mistake.

In these discussions, it is almost never necessary (and usually counter-productive) to bring religion into it at all. Marriage is a natural institution that exists in all cultures and in all time periods regardless of religious beliefs and affiliations. It predates all world religions.

Thus, talking about sacramentality is not necessary. Non-Christians have valid marriages that are not sacramental. Just because Jesus raised marriage to the level of a sacrament for Christians does not mean that it is the defining characteristic of all marriage.

I recommend the book Getting the Marriage Conversation Right: A Guide for Effective Dialogue. It’s short and easy to understand.

EDIT: Just wanted to add that even the way you phrase the question in the OP grants more ground than we ought to do. It is not a question of the government “allowing gay marriage.” That leaves the impression that the government is holding back from offering something it otherwise has the authority to offer. But the government has no such authority. The real question is “Why should we give the government the authority to redefine an institution that predates every government, nation, and religion?”
 
If it is completely true, then we have to consider what St Paul had to say about homosexuality, as well as marriage; and what Christ had to say about marriage, adultery, and sexual sin.

As to a theocracy, that is a red herring. If there is moral truth, either it is true or not. It can’t be “sort of true”, or true in some circumstances and not in others. And if there is moral truth about homosexuality, then why is this singled out as something the government should ignore?
So, spell out your reasons for considering homosexuality and same-sex marriage to be immoral. If they don’t rely on a lot of religious reasons to support them, they’ll be of use to the OP. If they do, the theocracy thing is less of a red herring.
 
Marriage is a heterosexual institution. … Just wanted to add that even the way you phrase the question in the OP grants more ground than we ought to do. It is not a question of the government “allowing gay marriage.” That leaves the impression that the government is holding back from offering something it otherwise has the authority to offer. But the government has no such authority. The real question is “Why should we give the government the authority to redefine an institution that predates every government, nation, and religion?”
Joe 5859 says it all.
 
So, spell out your reasons for considering homosexuality and same-sex marriage to be immoral. If they don’t rely on a lot of religious reasons to support them, they’ll be of use to the OP. If they do, the theocracy thing is less of a red herring.
Marriage is the teleological and ontological expression of the sexual act. As in, the primary purpose of marriage is the conception of, birthing of, and raising of children.

why do we hve abortions? because, quite simply, people are of the opinion that sex is a recreational act with supposedly no consequences - and medicine treats it as such; one takes pills to “cure” a problem, and the problem being conception, people take a pill, from their doctors, to “cure” that problem.

Which, for any number of reasons, does not always work. There is more than ample evidence available that a significant part of the medical world considers conception to be a “disease” for lack of a better term.

Marriage between two men cannot result in conception, and neither can marriage between two women. Those two arrangements fly in the face of the self definition of marriage; and marriage in one form or another (that is, religiously based or not) has appeared in every civilization known to man. The permanent pairing between male and female shows up in some species of animals, and throughout history in humans.

There is, likewise, ample research in the area of hormonal bonding between male and female, which agian not only supports the concept of marriage, but also supports the prohibition of sexual congress prior to a marriage commitment.

As to the Gospels, and St Paul, do your own research. It is not that hard to find.
 
If his understanding is not obscured by his culture – which happens to be in turmoil through relativism and selfism – the purpose and meaning and nature of sexual intercourse is for babies and it’s for bonding, within marriage, where children can be reared with a father and mother in a stable family unit. Marriage is thus unique and irreplaceable as between a man and a woman.

God’s purpose in making us as we are is for procreation – the accompanying pleasure is to nurture that purpose not to thwart it. St John Paul II affirmed that God gave man, with the light of reason, the capacity to be able to know the fundamental truths on life and his destiny and, specifically, the norms of moral behavior.

Homosexual activity “lacks those very elements which could make it a natural sign of the union of persons. This is why the most that can be achieved in a homosexual act is mutual masturbation.” (Michael Palachuk, *Why Is Homosexual Activity Morally Wrong? *Referenced in The Truth About Homosexuality, Section: The Argument from Natural Law, Fr John A Harvey, Ignatius 1996, p 133-4).

The disordered condition has been found, by those who wish to correct it, to respond well to reparative therapy.
Studies show that homosexuals experience considerably higher levels of mental illness and substance abuse than heterosexuals. A detailed review of the research has shown that “no other group of comparable size in society experiences such intense and widespread pathology.”36
Note:
36. James E. Phelan, Neil Whitehead, Philip M. Sut_ton, “What Research Shows: NARTH’s Response to the APA Claims on Homosexuality,” *Journal of Human Sexuality *Vol. 1, p. 93 (National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, 2009).
 
From the standpoint of a government, especially a secular one, there really aren’t any.

In the U.S. for instance, as far as the government is concerned legal marriage is all that matters and not religious marriage. Under this framework marriage is specific contract that provides certain special benefits (survivorship, tax, visitation, power-of-attorney etc) that non-married couples cannot equally attain. Furthermore, since the U.S. courts recognize marriage as a civil right under 14th Amendment grounds (Loving v. Virginia, 1967) there isn’t a reasonable case to be made.

That religious marriage isn’t relevant is a stance that is necessitated by a practical comprehension of the First Amendment; in order for the government to not infringe on the free exercise of religion it cannot meddle in picking which religious definitions are acceptable and which are not (because then they would be in a position of advancing one religion over all others). The only practical option is to not go with any of them and instead use the neutral legal use of the term.
 
If you agree with the theory that the government should be neutral about issues of serious moral conflict, then there is no reason for same-sex marriage to be illegal – indeed, it would be arbitrary discrimination.

So the American theory of limited government does not allow for non-discriminatory objections to same-sex marriage.

However, the American theory of limited government is, frankly, a bad theory. Even Americans think so, as evidenced by the fact that our laws constantly set up winners and losers, based on what actions we think are “good” and “bad”. We reward people who are generous and self-giving, even though this relies on a positive (non-neutral) conception of what goodness is.

I think one important goal of law should be to make people good people. If that’s the goal, then laws against same-sex marriage could make sense, if same-sex marriage tends to harm individual people (children, for example) and the society as a whole.
 
The Roman philosopher Cicero (died 43 B.C.) wrote in De Republica, 3.22: “True law is right reason in agreement with nature. It is of universal application, unchanging, everlasting. We cannot be freed from it by Senate or people. This law is not one thing at Rome and another at Athens, but is eternal and immutable, valid for all nations and for all times. God is the Author of it, its promulgator, and its enforcing judge. Whoever is disobedient to it is abandoning his true self and denying his own nature.”
No interpretations can change the principles of the natural law which we have seen even pagan Cicero acknowledge. Dr George affirms: “….whether advanced by pagans, Christians, or Jews, natural law philosophy seeks to vindicate principles accessible to, and thus binding upon, every reasonable person.

“It is precisely because the natural law is held to be accessible to reason and thus binding on all rational persons irrespective of religious faith or its absence that St Paul could say in his Letter to the Romans that
'…it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law that will be justified. When the Gentiles who have not the law do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness….’ ” (Rom 2:13-15).
The Clash of Orthodoxies, Dr Robert P George, ISI Books, 2001, p 161]

“The natural law is the law of human being alone—not other animals, not birds, not rocks, not trees, not planets. The natural law arises from our particular nature. It is natural insofar as it is rooted in our nature, and moral insofar as our nature defines what is good and evil for us.
“Well, just what are we? We are rational, moral animals—the only rational, moral animals. We are the one animal that must think even to survive, and the one animal whose actions are not governed by instincts but are judged by standards of good and evil. We don’t consider it cruel not to teach your dog to read, but we think that keeping children from getting an education deprives them of something they should have. We don’t jail rambunctious roosters for forcing themselves on beleaguered hens, but we send men to the slammer for rape.”
Dr Benjamin Wiker
tothesource.org/3_17_2010/3_17_2010_printer.htm

“…homosexuality is a disturbance, comparable to – although not identical with – a physical illness. Strictly speaking there is no “cancerous person,” “paralytic person,” “pedophile person,” or “transsexual person.” There is, rather, a “person with cancer,” or a “person with a homosexual problem.” In contrast, it is correct to speak of the “heterosexual person,” because every human person is, as a man or a woman, designed for the sexual encounter with the opposite sex – irrespective of the existence of a disturbance.”
*Dubious Psychology *by Gerard J.M. van den Aardweg, a clinical psychologist with more than 30 years of practice in therapy with homosexuals. Catholic World Report, November 1997].

“There is a whole way of thinking and feeling that occurs long before the inclination to genital acts with persons of the same sex arises in the heart…the disorder itself is rooted in unhealthy emotions.” [Fr John A Harvey, The Truth About Homosexuality, Ignatius, 1996, p 154-5. Also Elizabeth Moberly’s Homosexuality: A New Christian Ethic*, and Gerald van Aardweg’s Homosexuality and Hope, for an analysis of such emotions].

Homosexual men and women are far less likely to be in any kind of committed relationship than heterosexuals are. A 2006 study by researchers at UCLA concluded:
We found that lesbians, and particularly gay men, are less likely to be in a relationship compared to heterosexual women and men. Perhaps the most outstanding finding is also the most simple — that over half of gay men (51%) were not in a relationship. Compared to only 21% of heterosexual females and 15% of heterosexual males, this figure is quite striking. Charles Strohm, et al., “Couple Relationships among Lesbians, Gay Men, and Heterosexuals in California: A Social Demographic Perspective,” Paper can be accessed at: tinyurl.com/ncfdczl

There are thus compelling reasons to prohibit unnatural homosexual self-styled “marriage”.
 
If you agree with the theory that the government should be neutral about issues of serious moral conflict, then there is no reason for same-sex marriage to be illegal – indeed, it would be arbitrary discrimination.

So the American theory of limited government does not allow for non-discriminatory objections to same-sex marriage.

However, the American theory of limited government is, frankly, a bad theory. Even Americans think so, as evidenced by the fact that our laws constantly set up winners and losers, based on what actions we think are “good” and “bad”. We reward people who are generous and self-giving, even though this relies on a positive (non-neutral) conception of what goodness is.

I think one important goal of law should be to make people good people. If that’s the goal, then laws against same-sex marriage could make sense, if same-sex marriage tends to harm individual people (children, for example) and the society as a whole.
I think you can even make an argument without reference to morality or harming others. essentially. First, its important to note that we are not talking about making anything illegal, it is not illegal for same-sex people to have a huge ceremony at which they make a commitment to each other until death do them part. What we are discussing is whether or not the government should have a special governmental contract which people can enter into. Now, it seems pretty clear that the government shouldn’t meddle in things unless there is a good governmental reason for it to do so. I can see a legitimate governmental reason to restrict a contract to those who are capable of reproducing just as I can see a legitimate governmental reason to have a contract for anybody who wants to make a commitment to each other (whether or not their relationship is sexual) but I cannot for the life of me see a good reason for the government to have a contract for people based on the fact that they commit to a romantic relationship to each other.

(I’m sorry that this is so compact, I’m in a hurry right now so I’ve just given a quick summary, if you want clarification on any particular point just let me know and when I get back I’ll expand further)
 
I think a number of issues need to be teased out first.
  • What does he/you really mean by “same sex marriage”.
    Does he merely mean that a relationship between the two should be given some degree of public recognition/rights beyond that of mere friendship or need it be on a par with heterosexual marriage?
  • Should the Catholic Church (as a minority group in civil society) be able to impose all its main ethical beliefs into civil law as well (eg criminalise divorce, adultery, fornication, prostitution etc). Keep in mind this sort of thing is exactly what we reject when we reject Muslims imposing Shariah on civil society.
  • is the Catholic response to legal morality and law in a pluralistic society really meant to be the same as personal morality but just writ larger?
 
I think you can even make an argument without reference to morality or harming others. essentially.
Absolutely – good point! One might show, for example, that it is GOOD for children to have both a mom and a dad, and use this to prove that the NORMATIVE family situation (indicated by the word “marriage”) should be a heterosexual one.
 
  • Should the Catholic Church (as a minority group in civil society) be able to impose all its main ethical beliefs into civil law as well (eg criminalise divorce, adultery, fornication, prostitution etc). Keep in mind this sort of thing is exactly what we reject when we reject Muslims imposing Shariah on civil society.
My objection to Shariah law is that many of the laws are bad laws, not that it’s wrong to legislate based on moral beliefs. 🤷
 
My objection to Shariah law is that many of the laws are bad laws, not that it’s wrong to legislate based on moral beliefs. 🤷
Yes I agree.
But my question is more subtle than that.

My own diffidence to imposition of a minority group religious law (be it Canon Law or Shariah Law) onto a pluralistic Society/Nation would not simply be about whether that religious truly law reflects Natural Law or not.

Traditional Catholicism (by that I mean from Aquinas and before) does not appear to intrinsically demand this of Catholic politicians. Its a prudential judgement except in the most extreme ethical cases.

If we are dealing with extreme ethical situations (eg whether killing of the innocent should be a criminal offence or not) chances are that such a “society” has already broken down anyway.

However Catholic tradition does have examples of less grave (intrinsically evil) issues where decriminalisation may be validly pursued by Catholic government (or individual politicians) on the basis of the common good until such time as a greater number of citizens can be educated to peaceably live a higher moral standard.
 
The Roman philosopher Cicero (died 43 B.C.) wrote in De Republica, 3.22: “True law is right reason in agreement with nature. It is of universal application, unchanging, everlasting. We cannot be freed from it by Senate or people. This law is not one thing at Rome and another at Athens, but is eternal and immutable, valid for all nations and for all times. God is the Author of it, its promulgator, and its enforcing judge. Whoever is disobedient to it is abandoning his true self and denying his own nature.”



There are thus compelling reasons to prohibit unnatural homosexual self-styled “marriage”.
Cute “cherry picking”. Here is the more mainstream view. Source citations available if you want them.

The American Psychological Association stated in 2004:

The institution of civil marriage confers a social status and important legal benefits, rights, and privileges. … Same-sex couples are denied equal access to civil marriage. … Same-sex couples who enter into a civil union are denied equal access to all the benefits, rights, and privileges provided by federal law to married couples … The benefits, rights, and privileges associated with domestic partnerships are not universally available, are not equal to those associated with marriage, and are rarely portable … Denial of access to marriage to same-sex couples may especially harm people who also experience discrimination based on age, race, ethnicity, disability, gender and gender identity, religion, and socioeconomic status … the APA believes that it is unfair and discriminatory to deny same-sex couples legal access to civil marriage and to all its attendant benefits, rights, and privileges.

The American Sociological Association stated in 2004:

… a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman intentionally discriminates against lesbians and gay men as well as their children and other dependents by denying access to the protections, benefits, and responsibilities extended automatically to married couples … we believe that the official justification for the proposed constitutional amendment is based on prejudice rather than empirical research … the American Sociological Association strongly opposes the proposed constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman.

The Canadian Psychological Association stated in 2006:

The literature (including the literature on which opponents to marriage of same-sex couples appear to rely) indicates that parents’ financial, psychological and physical well-being is enhanced by marriage and that children benefit from being raised by two parents within a legally-recognized union. As the CPA stated in 2003, the stressors encountered by gay and lesbian parents and their children are more likely the result of the way society treats them than because of any deficiencies in fitness to parent. The CPA recognizes and appreciates that persons and institutions are entitled to their opinions and positions on this issue. However, CPA is concerned that some are mis-interpreting the findings of psychological research to support their positions, when their positions are more accurately based on other systems of belief or values. CPA asserts that children stand to benefit from the well-being that results when their parents’ relationship is recognized and supported by society’s institutions.

The American Anthropological Association stated in 2005:

The results of more than a century of anthropological research on households, kinship relationships, and families, across cultures and through time, provide no support whatsoever for the view that either civilization or viable social orders depend upon marriage as an exclusively heterosexual institution. Rather, anthropological research supports the conclusion that a vast array of family types, including families built upon same-sex partnerships, can contribute to stable and humane societies.

The American Academy of Pediatrics concluded in 2006, in an analysis published in the journal Pediatrics:

There is ample evidence to show that children raised by same-gender parents fare as well as those raised by heterosexual parents. More than 25 years of research have documented that there is no relationship between parents’ sexual orientation and any measure of a child’s emotional, psychosocial, and behavioral adjustment. These data have demonstrated no risk to children as a result of growing up in a family with 1 or more gay parents. Conscientious and nurturing adults, whether they are men or women, heterosexual or homosexual, can be excellent parents. The rights, benefits, and protections of civil marriage can further strengthen these families.

The United Kingdom’s Royal College of Psychiatrists has stated:

… lesbian, gay and bisexual people are and should be regarded as valued members of society who have exactly similar [sic] rights and responsibilities as all other citizens. This includes … the rights and responsibilities involved in a civil partnership …
 
From the standpoint of U.S., I have a very hard time coming up with reasons for it to be illegal. I believe strongly in a right to privacy, that is a right to not be interfered with unnecessarily in any matters, especially private ones like marriage and reproduction, and I take the Church’s Law to be incumbent upon believers and embodying the guidance for a life that leads to salvation.

So I don’t think that states can necessarily forbid gay marriage on a legal basis; this is a matter I’d rather be decided by the legislature or by plebiscite, and it does bother me that such a large issue is often decided by the Courts, but either way I think that legislation will follow eventually, even if only to clarify the rights and processes that are due to gay couples.

From a legal standpoint, I don’t think that the church’s objection that legalized gay marriage will impinge upon the Church’s to profess what it does not believe (namely, to perform gay marriages) because specific exceptions may be codified. The law could simply be “two individuals of either gender, may enter into a recognized marriage provided a) they are of age of consent b) they are not related c) they enter voluntarily d) they pay the marriage tax and obtain a license 72 hours prior to the ceremony being performed e) they are married by a recognized clergy or representative of the state”

Followed by “No clergy or representative of the state shall be compelled to perform a wedding for any couple, and may decline to do so for any reason.”

The Church is right to point out the immorality of gay marriage and of homosexual relationships, and we are bound by Scripture to do so. But our morality does not codify law, nor (sadly) does it seem to have much impact on it as we continue as a nation to plunge into the abyss of violence, promiscuity and in-fighting.
I was with you till your last sentence. There is plenty of violence and promiscuity and I even agree that we as a nation are on a downward path but I can not agree that it is because of homosexuality or SS marriage. In fact there are survey and studies indicating being married inhibits violence and promiscuity whether the partners are SS or opposite sex. As an aside I think a lot of our violent acting out and promiscuity is a reaction-formation against our punitive nature trumps rehabilitation.
 
The errors of not facing reality are not confined to ordinary people but haunt those who have their own agendas as is well documented.

The American Psychological Association (APA) suffered a schism, a large proportion leaving to found the American Psychological Society in 1988, accusing the “APA” of “lack of commitment to science and to objective research” as it became a “political/ideological interest group…favouring abortion and homosexual rights.” [From convert psychologist Dr Paul C Vitz in *Psychology as Religion: The Cult of Self-Worship, P 142-143].

In 1973 the board of trustees of the American Psychiatric Association voted to drop homosexuality as a mental disorder! They now consider it a normal variation of sexual expression! This was agreed to (6 to 4) by a referendum among the membership thus overturning a 100 year-old professional position. But in fact only one-third of the membership did respond. (Four years later the journal “Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality” reported on a survey it conducted. The survey showed that 69 percent of psychiatrists disagreed with the vote and still considered homosexuality a disorder.) “The result was not a conclusion based upon an approximation of the scientific truth as dictated by reason, but was instead an action demanded by the ideological temper of the times.” [Bayer, *Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: the Politics of Diagnosis].

Fr. John Trigilio:
‘EUREKA! Finally a thoroughly objective, rational, logical and factual analysis of the homosexual myth currently permeating the modern society. This book exposes the fallacies of the “politically correct” crowd both within and without the Church. Using perennially valid philosophy and divinely revealed truths, this book validates the long held suspicion that a BIG LIE has been sold to the sociologists, psychologists and dissident moral theologians who seek to legitimize and normalize aberrant, unnatural and immoral behavior.’
The Late Rev. Fr. John Trigilio, Jr., Phd, Thd, President, Confraternity Of Catholic Clergy, was Host Of EWTN’s Series Web Of Faith And Council Of Faith.

Defending a Higher Law: Why We Must Resist Same-sex “Marriage” and the Homosexual Movement
The work outlines the dangers that the homosexual agenda poses to society, refutes common myths concerning homosexuality and clearly outlines Church teaching on the sin of sodomy.
The work is recommended by Bishops Bruskewitz, Vasa and Nienstedt as well as EWTN host Fr. John Trigilio, President of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuals, Joseph Nicolosi and former President of Concerned Women for America, Sandy Rios.
To download the book as PDF go to this website:
tfp.org/tfp-home/books/defending-a-higher-law-now-available-online.html
 
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