How do I convince an Atheist that God exists?

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By providing shocking evidences that an intelligent design exists, the next step is proving this intelligent design is the Catholic one, after that try to prove that this god is just and fair considering the existence of pain in the world, if you want to talk about free will, then try to explain it the best way you can do, because there is lots of things in our lives where free will is not an enough answer for them. also try to give evidence to dismiss his scientific, historical or logical reasons for not believing… Can you? Well best for you…
Intelligent design isn’t valid. Evolution has received papal approval since JP1, God himself suffered, for some reason it is not only just but necessary, elaborate on your problem with free will, what are the best reasons for not believing?
 
So I want to now the origin of God,
Mankind has come up with all sorts of gods [self-admittedly] to explain what we didn’t understand before the age of scientific enlightenment. All different tribes and peoples had their own dead gods. But this particular god, the Father of Jesus Christ, seems to be living, in that he answers prayers and heals people, and has proved his existence to those who sought him with many proofs.
 
SimonArizona

Intelligent design isn’t valid.

But it’s true, unless you want to argue that God is not capable of intelligent design.

Do you?
 
SimonArizona

Intelligent design isn’t valid.

But it’s true, unless you want to argue that God is not capable of intelligent design.

Do you?
I was under the impression that I.D. proposes that all things came into being instantaneously each to their own kind without evolving from lower life forms.
 
Read it many years ago and was not overly impressed. Just skimmed the first part again.

For example:

Moral law in the same class as mathematics? No real difference in morality across the ages? Cultures that embraced slavery are morally the same of those who reject it? Nope. Not convincing at all.
I think you skimmed a bit too much, he describes it being like math in that most people have a general idea of it.

Like murder is wrong, condemnation of thievery. Slavery is a good example to wide spread immorality. His argument about this is more so strengthened in the Abolition of Man

-Prophesy
 
SimonArizona

Intelligent design isn’t valid.

But it’s true, unless you want to argue that God is not capable of intelligent design.

Do you?
Intelligent design should be possible for God, but I don’t agree with the God it implies. More of a mechanic and certainly not a perfect Creator.

-Prophesy
 
Still no answer to the question, who made God, how was he formed, how can he be the origin? how he came from nothing? 🤷
You are the ones who are saying it’s impossible for something to come from nothing, so how God (something), came from nothing?
The universe is a part of the material world we live in, there is no doubt for it’s existence, while God(s)…there is lot’s of doubts for many people to be true.
RainbowNight
Thanks for the reply

Good point, which can be a stumbling block in this kind of conversation.

But where does the Truth come from? Does it start, does it finish or is the Truth revealed and fulfilled. Could it be that the Truth always was, always is, always will be? Surly the knowledge of the Truth is not a physical thing but yet is.

Truth doesn’t come from man because man must seek it to know it and then a man can share it. It doesn’t come from the universe for the universe responds to the Truth which we can see and even experiment with. But yet the Truth is not of the universe.

Truth is from God who’s revelation is the Truth that is fulfilled. If it’s not the Truth, it’s not fulfilled.
 
Hey everyone. I am having a discussion with an Atheist about the existence of God. I am trying to convince him that God exists but I have no idea how to do that. Can anyone help me?
Provide some evidence, would be the best way.

But as that’s not possible, you’ll have to rely on one of the standard theological pseudo-proofs, and hope he’s not too bright.
 
Provide some evidence, would be the best way.

But as that’s not possible, you’ll have to rely on one of the standard theological pseudo-proofs, and hope he’s not too bright.
wanstronian

Interesting contribution but:
What is the evidence of Life? The result, or the Truth that it is? Why is it that Life has to have a beginning or an end? Since the Truth prevails always.

For the Truth seeks not to deceive or trick some one into believing it, by out witting the none believer. It is what it is, and need no man, to be what it is. But for man’s sake is the Truth of God for human existence revealed in human existence that those who would trust the Truth of God for human existence, in human existence may be partakers thereof. Hence the resurrection in Jesus Christ. The result of the Truth of God for human existence.
 
What is the evidence of Life? The result, or the Truth that it is? Why is it that Life has to have a beginning or an end? Since the Truth prevails always.

For the Truth seeks not to deceive or trick some one into believing it, by out witting the none believer. It is what it is, and need no man, to be what it is. But for man’s sake is the Truth of God for human existence revealed in human existence that those who would trust the Truth of God for human existence, in human existence may be partakers thereof. Hence the resurrection in Jesus Christ. The result of the Truth of God for human existence.
Yeah Holly tell your friend that. That’ll convince him
😉
 
Simon

**I was under the impression that I.D. proposes that all things came into being instantaneously each to their own kind without evolving from lower life forms. **

That’s creationism, not intelligent design.
 
prophesy

Intelligent design should be possible for God, but I don’t agree with the God it implies. More of a mechanic and certainly not a perfect Creator.

It only implies one aspect of God. Probably the only aspect that science would be concerned with, if it was concerned with God at all. But certainly God viewed merely or strictly as an Intelligent Designer is not the Christian God by far.
 
Holly, I think you would do best by having a discussion rather than a debate. Actually open your mind to the atheist’s position. In that way, s/he is more likely to be receptive to your own belief. People are often more convinced when they encounter someone who doesn’t attack or put down their views. Coming on too strong is a turn-off. First, allow the atheist to express their ideas fully and then present your side. Hear each other out and follow with a thoughtful discussion of the issues one at a time, instead of jumping from one topic to another and not enabling the individual to understand your message. Remember too that the persuasion process is gradual and cannot be accomplished by means of only one discussion. People have to absorb the material, reflect upon it, and eventually they might persuade themselves. However, it is also sometimes the case that even after persuasion occurs, people revert back to their original way of thinking.
 
The proof is really a a spiritual experience felt by the target person when s(he) adheres to faith, hope and love with all their might.
 
Still no answer to the question, who made God, how was he formed, how can he be the origin? how he came from nothing? 🤷
You are the ones who are saying it’s impossible for something to come from nothing, so how God (something), came from nothing?
The universe is a part of the material world we live in, there is no doubt for it’s existence, while God(s)…there is lot’s of doubts for many people to be true.
In our world one of the laws of science says that every effect requires a cause that is greater than the effect. God is the self-existing (not self-caused) One, who is eternal by nature and also the great “I AM WHO AM” of the Bible. The Psalmist writes, “Before the mountains were made, or the earth and the world was formed; from eternity and to eternity thou art God” (Psalm 90:2). God is outside time; in fact, time is one of His creations. Only the things that had a beginning need a maker, for instance the earth with its inhabitants and all its made things; but since God had no beginning and is self-existent, He did not need a maker.

But on the other hand, since the world view of atheism exists in spite of the fact that science does not have any known facts or actual evidence for the actuality of atheism (which is to say that science has no proof that God doesn’t exist), atheists have the impossible task not only of proving a negative but also of proving that believing in no god is a viable alternative to believing in the Eternal God. And the only way, as far as I can see, that atheism can be presented as a viable world view is if atheists can prove that every single religious belief system in the universe is false or erroneous, which is something that they cannot do.
 
shoe

**And the only way, as far as I can see, that atheism can be presented as a viable world view is if atheists can prove that every single religious belief system in the universe is false or erroneous, which is something that they cannot do. **

They also cannot get around the fact that suicide is more common among atheists than it is among any theists of any religion in the world. Hardly a commendable consequence of atheism. :rolleyes:
 
It only implies one aspect of God. Probably the only aspect that science would be concerned with, if it was concerned with God at all. But certainly God viewed merely or strictly as an Intelligent Designer is not the Christian God by far.
I believe that there’s much more implied there (perhaps we’re using different terms for the same thing and same terms for different things). So let’s clarify:

These are short definitions that I should hope that proponents of each group would be willing to agree as a fair assessment of their own belief.

Atheistic Evolution:
Evolution proceeds smoothly without interaction of God (because in this case He’s argued not to exist).

Theistic Evolution:
Evolution proceeds smoothly as divinely established by God to be a system that can self-propagate.

Intelligent Design:
Evolution proceeds in a staircase pattern, creation proceeding constantly for a time before being directly evolved by God into the next stage and so on. Only happens by divine intervention.

Creationism:
Evolution does not take place. Creation exists as it has been. Everything made by the hand of God.

If we can agree on these terms, perhaps we can continue from there.

-Prophesy
 
wanstronian

Interesting contribution but:
What is the evidence of Life? The result, or the Truth that it is? Why is it that Life has to have a beginning or an end? Since the Truth prevails always.

For the Truth seeks not to deceive or trick some one into believing it, by out witting the none believer. It is what it is, and need no man, to be what it is. But for man’s sake is the Truth of God for human existence revealed in human existence that those who would trust the Truth of God for human existence, in human existence may be partakers thereof. Hence the resurrection in Jesus Christ. The result of the Truth of God for human existence.
You’ve written a lot of words but said absolutely nothing. If you can write in plain English rather than philosophical waffle, then please clarify the point you’re trying to make.
But on the other hand, since the world view of atheism exists in spite of the fact that science does not have any known facts or actual evidence for the actuality of atheism (which is to say that science has no proof that God doesn’t exist), atheists have the impossible task not only of proving a negative but also of proving that believing in no god is a viable alternative to believing in the Eternal God.
You’ve got it completely the wrong way round. It is YOU, the theist, making the positive claim that God exists. The atheist, by definition, merely disbelieves this claim because it comes with no supporting evidence. To demand that atheists prove the non-existence of God not only demands the proving of a negative (you got that bit right, at least), and not only fails to understand what atheism (at least, dictionary atheism) is, but also completely ignores where the burden of proof lies.

Can you prove that Zeus doesn’t exist? I doubt it, but I also suspect you don’t believe in Zeus. Can you tell me why not?
And the only way, as far as I can see, that atheism can be presented as a viable world view is if atheists can prove that every single religious belief system in the universe is false or erroneous, which is something that they cannot do.
No, nor is it encumbent upon them to do so. I suggest you go away and learn something about the subject, before making such ridiculous comments and exposing your ignorance.
shoe

They also cannot get around the fact that suicide is more common among atheists than it is among any theists of any religion in the world. Hardly a commendable consequence of atheism. :rolleyes:
A complete non-sequitur. To suggest that suicide is a “consequence” of atheism is either plain dishonest, or illustrates a spectacular lack in ability to think critically.

But it’s telling that more and more theists are having to resort to such disingenuous and idiotic fallacies in order to try and justify their outmoded superstitious belief in fairy stories. Even if it’s true (you don’t cite a link), and even if there were a proven causal link, that says nothing about the truth of the claim, “God exists.” Nor does it say anything about the individual reasons for suicide. Do religious people commit suicide less frequently because they’re happier, or is it just because they believe that God will punish them for ending their own lives? Or are their other reasons? Are you talking about “jump off a bridge” suicide, or assisted suicide in the suffering, terminally ill? Or don’t you care?

You (shock, horror) appear to have drawn an unwarranted conclusion from the statistic you claim.

I’m bemused by your horribly tenuous grasp of causal logic, but encouraged by your desperation!
 
I’m bemused by your horribly tenuous grasp of causal logic, but encouraged by your desperation!
I’m not surprised by your utter lack of charity and humility. What’s still missing in you? What’s the cause there?
 
I’m not surprised by your utter lack of charity and humility. What’s still missing in you? What’s the cause there?
Charity is an irrelevant issue here. We’re discussing truth claims, and I am affording Charlemagne’s ridiculously contrived conclusion the derision that it deserves. Particularly In the context of the thread subject, it’s a hopelessly misplaced argument.

What have I got to be humble about, in this specific issue?

As for “what’s missing in [me]” - I guess the answer to that is “tolerance of bad arguments and misleading conclusions.”
 
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