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guanophore
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This is a great opportunity. Study with her. Get out your Catholic Bible, read each, and talk about how what the church teaches is different from the study notes in the NIV.
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EB4304
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RSV-CE is a great translation. The Douay Rheims is also great (I hear) for those who want an archaic, KJV sounding translation.
However, let’s go easy on our Protestant brethren here. I own a New King James Bible and a Greek Interlinear with two Protestant translations. There aren’t any commentaries and despite some minor differences they read the same for the New Testament. There’s nothing wrong with reading a different translation from time to time - sometimes the New King James better translates a psalm and from that I can more deeply and effectively pray it.
However, you should always use your Catholic Bible as your cornerstone if you’re Catholic. But there’s nothing wrong with supplementing it.
However, let’s go easy on our Protestant brethren here. I own a New King James Bible and a Greek Interlinear with two Protestant translations. There aren’t any commentaries and despite some minor differences they read the same for the New Testament. There’s nothing wrong with reading a different translation from time to time - sometimes the New King James better translates a psalm and from that I can more deeply and effectively pray it.
However, you should always use your Catholic Bible as your cornerstone if you’re Catholic. But there’s nothing wrong with supplementing it.
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Church_Militant
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I disagree. If the Lord and the apostles quote them as much as is shown, and they are included in the ECF discussions of the canon as being inspired, (and the list show that they are), then unlike other traditional texts that are quoted by the Lord and the apostles, they obviously considered them inspired.
If quoting or referencing a text is the test of inspiration than you and I both need to expand our canons.Uh… that would be St. Jude himself who wrote that PL, not Paul, and neither of those books was ever considered inspired, so the test stands.
Check your history, you’ll see.
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TheMese
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I have a critical edition of the Novum Testamentum Graece 27th edition which is published by the (Protestant) German Bible Society. The Greek NT text has cross-references to the Deuterocanon in hundreds of places.
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Athanasiy
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Yes.
But I think the problem of the Study Bibles from Evangelical perspective can be in understanding of the Biblical senses.
I mean the commentaries which are not objective in the Literal/Spiritual senses.
Which are not objective in the Anagogical ( from Greek - Leading…) sense.
Sometimes even in understanding of the Moral sense.
So the problem of those Study Bibles can be in being not objective in the understanding of the Biblical authors intentions.
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DJgang
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Ha, want to know what I think…
It’s new. A new book…
Just go out and get her a new Catholic Bible, there is a NAB Women’s Bible out there that even I’ve been wanting…Merry Christmas Honey
Sometimes I catch myself looking at Bibles at the book store and there are very few Catholic ones to choose from, seems like all the Protestant Bibles are pretty and go around a certain subject, like women’s men’s couples * study*, etc…you get my point.
Also, I have seen a real pretty leather Catholic Bible (can’t remember if it’s NAB or RSV) but it has a Rosary stamped on the back cover…you can get it really small or big. Beautiful! If you would like, I’ll scope out Amazon or somewhere for it, so you can see it…
Anyway…that’s my .02
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jemfinch
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Actually, it is. Even some evangelicals won’t use the NIV. And that’s not even taking into account the anti-Catholic bias: the same Greek word for tradition is translated “tradition” when referring to that which was handed on by the Pharisees, but “teaching” when referring to that which was handed on by the Apostles.
At least “The Message” makes it very clear that it intends a rather loose translation. The NIV is a loose, paraphrasing translation parading itself as a much more literal translation than it is.
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Joe_5859
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Not to get off topic, but…
Did you not notice that in praying Lauds and Vespers, you are praying with a good chunk of the Bible? You get two Psalms, a Canticle (from Scripture), another Scripture reading, and of course the Benedictus or the Magnificat (from the Gospel of Luke) EVERY TIME you pray Lauds OR Vespers. It’s the most scripture-saturated form of prayer there is.
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richardeekw
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Great Book to read (free) - Where we got the Bible-Debt to the Catholic Church.
angelfire.com/ms/seanie/deuteros/graham_contents.html
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Pwrlftr
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Church Militant,
Earlier I said:
pwrlftr:
Church Militant:
Bruce states that the only copies of the Septuagint we have are Christian from either the third or fourth centuries. I haven’t made it through Beckwith’s work yet, maybe he comments on it.
Anyway, do you know which version of the Septuagint Jesus and the apostles used and which books did their version contain? If you don’t know, just say you don’t know. If you do know, and have a primary source for this, please post it. I don’t remember what the copyright date is on Bruce’s work but perhaps something has come up since he wrote his book?
Thanks.
Earlier I said:
You responded with:
Church Militant:
Well, that’s the thing, I have spent some time looking at the history of this issue and plan on spending more time. I have two resources on this issue. The first one is “The Canon of Scripture” by FF Bruce and the second one is “The OT Canon In The NT Church” by Roger Beckwith.
Bruce states that the only copies of the Septuagint we have are Christian from either the third or fourth centuries. I haven’t made it through Beckwith’s work yet, maybe he comments on it.
Anyway, do you know which version of the Septuagint Jesus and the apostles used and which books did their version contain? If you don’t know, just say you don’t know. If you do know, and have a primary source for this, please post it. I don’t remember what the copyright date is on Bruce’s work but perhaps something has come up since he wrote his book?
Thanks.
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DebChris
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For several years I read a different translation each year (3 Chapters a day plus 5 on Sunday). For the most part I bought these various translations from a Catholic Book/Gift Shop. The translations included the NIV. Buying from a Catholic bookstore insures all books are included. There are actually advantages to reading the most common translation of our non-Catholic brothers and sisters. The local Catholic bookstore has an NIV translation for Youth. Many of us do not live in areas with a large Catholic population. Catholic teenagers especially are likely to have friends from different denominations plus friends who do not belong to any church. Dialogue is easier when everybody uses the same translation. This is noted in the introduction along with the note about the liturgical translation being the NAB. This Catholic Youth Bible is a study Bible with dialogue boxes discussing the differences and similarities between Catholicism, other denominations and secular society.
I have a copy of Where is That in the Bible? by Patrick Madrid. It suggests having a working Bible for interfaith dialogue in which verses are underlined and cross referenced. Again, it would make sense to have a universally accepted translation like the NIV for this purpose. That way the discussion can focus on questions of doctrine instead of differences in translation.
I have a copy of Where is That in the Bible? by Patrick Madrid. It suggests having a working Bible for interfaith dialogue in which verses are underlined and cross referenced. Again, it would make sense to have a universally accepted translation like the NIV for this purpose. That way the discussion can focus on questions of doctrine instead of differences in translation.
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SolaFide
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What are you afraid of? The Word of God is the Word of God. The only difference is the Apocrypha that the RCC version added but the rest is the same.
Did the RCC change their versions to be in alignment with their doctrines, is that why? You know the Jehovah’s Witnesses did that and they are a cult.
If the RCC didn’t change anything then what are you afraid of?
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jemfinch
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No, the RCC didn’t change their translation to suit their doctrines.
But Evangelicals did. And the result was the NIV.
Jeremy
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jmcrae
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Only if it has an Imprimatur.
RCC never “added” anything - we use Jesus’ Old Testament; you guys use the ones that His enemies created 60 years after His ascension into Heaven.
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Pwrlftr
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What did the NIV change?
Also, do you believe all Catholic translations are free of error and or bias?
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SD_CatholicMan
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Exactly…and it’s not out of fear…that’s not why I don’t want her to read it. Reading it is fine. My issue is she’s coming back to the faith and I think it’s more important for her to learn it from her own faith’s perspective before reading other interpertations.
I’ve bought her a good Catholic study bible for Christmas. Thanks to all of you (who didn’t go on anti-Catholic rants) for your help!
God bless!
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Pwrlftr
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We have established that a book being quoted doesn’t necessarily mean anything with regards to inspiration and you are right about the book of Jude (not sure what I was thinking).
You apparently believe the number of quotes (if there are any) tip the scales in favor of the deutero’s being inspired. I wonder if you think they have to be quotes or will allusions work for you?
I’ll take a look at the links in some detail either tonight or later this weekend but I suspect most of what is contained in the link refers at most to allusions to the deutero’s, I guess we will see.
What of the ECF’s that rejected the deuterocanonicals? What of the vulgate that was sent out complete with Jerome’s derogatory comments about the deutero’s?
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SolaFide
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Now who’s into conspiracy theories!!! :hypno:
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SolaFide
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Excellent question!
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mark_a
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Cut out all the commentary. The bible part will probably do for now.
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