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guanophore
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thiekei
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SacredHeart1987
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Tell her that Martin Luther had books thrown out of the real bible (Catholic Bible) because they didn’t suit his theology. Tell her that he also wanted the epistle of James along with the boook of Revelation thrown out as well. Then tell her if shes going to be reading the NIV that she would reading an incomplete bible and that she will be lacking the fullness of the truth.
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PJM
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You might ask her to consider WHY what she is reading is not a Catholic Bible?
What she is reading is missing books
Has actual hearsy verses
has been altered to accomidate view that oppose Catholic teaching.
Ask if she would like to purchase a Catholic bible study Bible. See if you’re parish has a Bible study group and ask her to join it.
Love and prayers,
Pat
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jmcrae
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Please note that the opening post was made in December of 2007. 
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Vanessa
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From a woman’s perspective:
I think you sense that your wife is being evangelized away from the Catholic Church. I’d be very concerned about this friend. Why didnt’ she get your wife a Catholic bible? Just didn’t think about it? Would she never touch a Catholic bible? The answer is important, it will let you know what her purpose is.
My guess is she’s probably trying to save your wife’s soul by saving her from Catholicism. How often does she throw anti-Catholic thoeology comments at your wife? I’d be asking her everyday about her conversations with this friend.
This might be a true friend, but many protestant women will pretend friendship to accomplish the greater purpose of the “great commission”. It’s like they have to add a notch to their belt fairly often to prove they’re a good enough Christian. I know Catholic woman who were deeply hurt when they were suddenly rejected by their friends when it became obvious there would be no conversion. There never was a real friendship. And when you’re faking a friendship to get something from someone, you seem an “ideal” friend who gives so much. Very hypnotic.
Your wife is an adult. You can’t make her do anything. So you need to be doing something together. Bible study, prayer group, religious study, something. She needs reinforcement and light in her life. Maybe you better be reading the same passages she is and offering the Catholic theology and the misunderstandings of the protestant theology. And you need to be praying a lot for the Holy Spirit to give her wisdom and understanding.
I believe you sense a problem, and the bible is only a symptom.
I think you sense that your wife is being evangelized away from the Catholic Church. I’d be very concerned about this friend. Why didnt’ she get your wife a Catholic bible? Just didn’t think about it? Would she never touch a Catholic bible? The answer is important, it will let you know what her purpose is.
My guess is she’s probably trying to save your wife’s soul by saving her from Catholicism. How often does she throw anti-Catholic thoeology comments at your wife? I’d be asking her everyday about her conversations with this friend.
This might be a true friend, but many protestant women will pretend friendship to accomplish the greater purpose of the “great commission”. It’s like they have to add a notch to their belt fairly often to prove they’re a good enough Christian. I know Catholic woman who were deeply hurt when they were suddenly rejected by their friends when it became obvious there would be no conversion. There never was a real friendship. And when you’re faking a friendship to get something from someone, you seem an “ideal” friend who gives so much. Very hypnotic.
Your wife is an adult. You can’t make her do anything. So you need to be doing something together. Bible study, prayer group, religious study, something. She needs reinforcement and light in her life. Maybe you better be reading the same passages she is and offering the Catholic theology and the misunderstandings of the protestant theology. And you need to be praying a lot for the Holy Spirit to give her wisdom and understanding.
I believe you sense a problem, and the bible is only a symptom.
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Cashue
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Tell her that any bible not approved by the Holy Church is from the devil and that even though the words may appear similar in the books that are the same, if she reads Genesis for example from another bible, she will be misled by Satan.
Another thing you could do is sit down with here and compare verses from the Catholic bibles with the protestant and she will see with her own eyes that they say totally different things and that the protestant bible will lead her to satan.
I don’t suggest that you burn her bible or throw it away behind her back, she has to see these things for herself.
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juliamajor
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I hope your joking. I never knew a different translation was grounds for damnation.
Every translation is an interpretation- there is no such thing as a ‘pure’ translation-every good translation strives to get as close to a truer text as it can. To me The NIV is a weak awkward translation.Many other protestant translations are way better. In my humble opinion the RSV is one of the strongest of translation -used by many scholars and tghe Vatican in is documents.
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richardeekw
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- Try to offer the individual an opportunity to understand where we got the Bible
Where We Got the Bible: Our Debt to the Catholic Church
by The Right Rev. HENRY G. GRAHAM Nihil Obstat et Imprimatur JOANNES RITCHIE, Vic. Gen. Glasguae. Originally published by B. Herder Book Co., St. Louis, Missouri.
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Find out why this is added, that is removed etc from the Original translations.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
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Matt 6:13
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.’
(NIV)
13* And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil. * (RSV-Catholic edition)
The Protestant version of the Lord’s Prayer includes a doxology. Our English word “doxology” comes from two Greek words, doxa – “praise,” and logos – “word”; a “word of praise”. Sometimes it is called an ascription, since these qualities are “ascribed” to God.
Our best guess is that the doxology was added – perhaps on the basis of 1 Chronicles 29:11-13 – to adapt the Lord’s Prayer for liturgical use in the early church. Although the doxology was probably not part of the original text, Jewish practice was to conclude prayers with a doxology, so it is unlikely that it was offered in New Testament times without some form of doxology.10 One of my favorite parts of the Lord’s Prayer is the doxology. I love to speak out loud as words of declaration and praise, “For Thine is the Kingdom, and the Power, and the Glory,” for all these are his in abundance. Praise is a fitting way to conclude our prayer.
This example may encourage the individual to search for the truth.
Remember also that “Translations” are also “Interpretations” so the Truth is from the Origialal Hebrew(OT) and Greek(NT)
Hope this helps
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Janina_Mousley
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Most good friends would supply a Catholic friend with a Catholic Bible.
However, often non Catholics do not realise that Catholic translations contain more books in the Old Testament than the Protestant, to them- one Bible is as good as another !
Both your wife and her friend should be encouraged to find out why Protestant versions do not include ALL the books of the Bible. This is an important historical fact, linked closely to the denial of specific Catholic teachings regarding Christ, His Church and our Salvation
Commentaries in these non Catholic Bibles often DO NOT support the following Catholic beliefs: the True Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, the formation and authority of Christ’s Church, the necessity for Baptism, the Mass as a Sacrifice, the efficacy of prayers for the dead - to name a few.
In fact in one non Catholic Bible, it is claimed that Jesus is A GOD!
The Bible originally used by the early Christian Church consisted of just the Old Testament writings from the Septuagint which were quoted and taught by Our Lord and His Apostles.
These same Christians, during the year 110 AD, were first called ‘Catholic’ because ‘catholic’ simply meant 'universal.
This Catholic Church gathered together (some) from many of the early writings. those which were known to be taught and written originally by the Apostles and proclaimed these as inspired by the Holy Spirit, adding them to the Bible, naming the section as ‘the New Testament ‘to be used by the entire Church. Thus all sections (canon) of the Bible, both the New Testament and the Old Testament
were finalised during the 4th century, and preserved without error by being laboriously copied by hand by the monks through ALL the centuries until the invention of printing.
Regarding the non Catholic, (Protestant) Bible: In the early 16th century, ONE person (Luther), who was an Augustinian priest, decided books from the Septuagint were not inspired and he opted instead for a later Jewish translation of the Old Testament, from which had been removed any hints which could reveal Jesus Christ as the ‘promised’ on’. He also deleted 7 complete books from the Old Testament and would have deleted another 2 from the New Testament (if his followers had not protested) since this conformed better to his own beliefs.
“Protestant copies usually lack the seven books (viz: Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach, Baruch, and First and Second Maccabees) and parts of books (viz: Esther 10:4-16:24, and Daniel 3:24-90; 13:1-14:42) which are not found in the Jewish editions of the Old Testament” info from New Advent - Catholic Encyclopaedia.
G.K.Chesterton a convert to the Catholic Church, wrote a brilliant parable regarding the Catholic Church and its Bible.
It went something like this: He describes a large, Eucharistic Procession slowly winding its way through the streets, led by the Bishops and priests. Completing the group were numerous Catholics who were carrying carefully and with reverence many other beautiful items : statues of the blessed Virgin Mary, of the saints, prayer books, Rosaries, candles, and their sacred, treasured book, the Bible.
Suddenly, another group bursts on the scene, noisily attacking the participants in the procession, and smashing and destroying all the items except for the Bible which they snatch and run away with, proclaiming it to be ‘theirs’.
(my apologies to G.K.C. if this account is not a completely accurate retelling of his story!!).
The Problem with Protestant Bibles and their associated commentaries is not only accuracy but that they may be 80% in conformity with Catholic teachings which date back from the time Christ established His Church, but the other 20% may be completely off track, with key parts missing , or added or distorted, to prove a ‘personal idea’ of what one individual and his /her followers PREFER to believe.
JJM
Glory be to the Most Holy Trinity, the Father, and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit as it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.
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Supercatholic
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It’s been almost three years since you posted your question. So I suspect a lot has changed since then. She may have stopped reading the NIV. She may have brought up Protestant doctrines. Only you know. I wouldn’t be too anxious about her reading a Protestant bible. This may lead her to believe the church has something to hide and you don’t want her to discover it. The best thing to do is let her read her NIV, and when she brings something up, if you don’t have a proper answer find a reliable Catholic apologetics site. Now the trouble with approved Catholic bibles is they all seemed to be flawed one way or another. Here are some Luke 1:28 translations, The NAB says “Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you.” And that’s supposed to be a Catholic bible. The KJV says Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. Now that’s the number one choice of traditional Protestants and even that translation sounds more Catholic than the NAB. The RSV-CE says “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you.” It doesn’t even have “blessed are you among women” The Douay Rheims says "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: Blessed art thou among women. The Douay Challoner- Confraternity edition says it the same way. Even though I prefer either Douay Rheims or Douay Challoner, the use of old King’s English terms such as thou, thy, thee, ye, and doth can be a big stumbling block for many people, including me. I would love to see the Douay Rheims carefully transitioned to the removal of those terms and simply replace them with the modern you, your, yours you’re, and does. Afterall, since the Douay Rheims is a direct translation of the Latin Vulgate, no one should be offended by the removal of the old English archaic terminology. TODAY’S DOUAY RHEIMS. That should be the official bible of the Catholic Church.
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AwGusTeen
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hjkoelzer:
I have to be honest with you too. If you read the KVJ then you are reading a translation that used the Douay Rheims Catholic Bible (an English translation of St. Jerome’s Latin Vulgate) as a check for accuracy against their own translations. Don’t forget that the canon of the New Testament Bible was discerned by the Catholic Church under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. So, unless you are reading something that I’ve never heard of then you are most certainly reading a Catholic Bible.
Contrary to your story, I was raised as a Southern Baptist and read the KJV up through most of my formative years. By the grace of God and the help of the Holy Spirit I have since found the truth of all things and I am sorry to say it’s not any of the +30,000 Protestant denominations that currently exist, each with a somewhat different view of “the truth”. It is, rather, the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church created by Christ with Peter as the rock upon which he built that Church. I might add that the seminal issue for me was an answer to this question:
Do you accept the authority of a church founded on men (Luther, Calvin, et. al) only 500 years old, or the Church founded by Christ 2000 years ago?
The historical evidence is simply overwhelming. Thus, I made my choice a year ago last Easter and I will never look back. God leads us in many different directions; thankfully I am now home.
God Bless.
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Sd_CatholicMan:
Did you know that there’s an The NIV’s NOT Bad, as long as your wife uses at least one approved version such as the Ignatius Bible (RSV - 2Ed) NJB, JB (if you can get you hands on one), & NAB. I would call this List A. I really like the Ignatius Bible & the JB, and I’ve found them to be really useful…
The Catholic Church has approved other versions such as the NLT - Catholic Ed. & GNT - Catholic Ed., and I’ve found various other translations to be useful in my studies: The Orthodox Study Bible, NOAB w/ Apocrypha (I prefer the RSV over the NRSV), ESV w/ Apocrypha, the Archeological Study Bible (NIV). I would call this List B & would add one from List B. I’ve found The Orthodox Study Bible, ESV & the Archeological Study Bible (NIV) to be useful.
And, Yes, I’ve addressed this before - The issue isn’t to persuade someone NOT to use a Protestant Bible, but to persuade him or her to use at least one appropriate Catholic Bible, to read the Deutro-Canonical Books, esp. the Book of Wisdom and to remind him or her why they were REMOVED from Protestant Bibles.
I hope this helps.
Your Brother & Servant in Christ, Michael
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Supercatholic
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Welcome home my friend. As Fr. John Corapi says 80% of Catholics in North America are ignorant of their faith. To this I add, they’re also ignorant of the history of the church and the apostolic succession. This is why so many of them are easily duped into leaving the only church established by Jesus. The Bible is a product of the Catholic church. All the other so-called churches are a product of their interpretation of the Bible. And with every new interpretation comes a new denomination.
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Peter_Dawson
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Christ made massive use of Wisdom and Sirach, and the Book of Tobit is fascinating.
None of those are in the Protestant Bible.
But – let me be honest here – the Shakespearean English in the classic King James Version is unbeatable.
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