How do I crush pride and delusions of grandeur?

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I have this issue about me. When I read about the stories of famous apologists and bishops like St. Augustine, or of people that performed miracles like St Pio, I think to myself, “Wow, it would be so awesome to be one of them!”

When I examine my conscience about this, I find my intentions to be partially noble and partially far more questionable. In one respect, I really do think about what an extraordinary privilege it would be to get to participate in that sort of profound way. In another respect… unfortunately, I think these intentions are driven somewhat by a lust for glory.

I’m sure I’m not the only person in the world that suffers from this. Probably everybody does. How do you crush these thoughts of grandeur? A prayer at a time?
 
grandeur and glory?

well consider the process of holiness-this is an issue to discuss in reconcilliation…
meanwhile, i am using a post -see copy /paste to make a point…
i am including at the risk of self glory.how prayer can be on the hour…how do i practice faith?
unfortunately-the message hidden in my copy/paste paragraph was of the best intentions-the problem on my part , being the frog to dissect, is my confession of Faith is on a good day, maybe wed…what about my monday–? oh sure a prayer seems to work every hour…what about the added stress on a bad day?
usually when the heart, mind, soul, and body unite-connect -there is a healing…
but hey? who can be a 24 hour saint in a high tech society? seems i am aware, and not aware, that some part of heart, mind, soul and body is separated to ratchet up the ‘hurt.’

so before i suggest the solution to the grandeur and glory problem…here is the pretext in a copy/paste from my other post: quote, beginning thread…
“Re: I did not ask you to pray well. I ask you to pray always.
hi,
I answer the inquiry by expanding the definition and role of prayer in daily life…
i doth brag; in hindsight-i pray to some degree every waking hour…more structured as going to sleep and upon awakening…on the other hand-near the edge of sleep the subconscious is active and speaks of prayer/if not on the way driving to work-one hail mary counts /.there is probably of interest to curious readers here that …that the intensity of prayer, or thinking of others is a level of prayer, some hours are spent being attacked by doubt, yet-returning to a forward movement of that hour-prayer is a linear movement to some end…( a simple need that is met is a prayer-perhaps of ‘thanks’ or impromptu praise)the acceptance of others is a prayer…; in social situations-if only to almost read their thoughts-to feel what they feel-is a sort of prayer (to reflect the Holy Spirit-weather they are friendly or not)…seems human intelligence…is both profound and having doubts…a struggle is a prayer…and on the forum…my forum posts hold a secret prayer for them/i choose only one or two prayer requests to pray, spending two or three days on each…more seems to stress me/ even stress prompts a level of prayer…so maybe i don’t do it well-just a try…(my heart is not that of an empty cavity-it cannot be shot to heaven-i remain…and if I send my love-it does fly-is that a prayer?) ;even thinking of my last confession…surely is a prayer…maybe i doth brag, but for the glory-or maybe i am lonely-and perhaps i beg-being a prayer/ perhaps i brag in my confession of Faith…God is a friend…Mary-a mother to all…they know me-they know you…!” end quote, by david patrick
to continue the idea to crush pride and delusions…
so what did saints do? of course, things admiral -then again-all the saints are passed away/ this makes suspect of my success at my prayers/ in fact, my future inquiry for my own introspection is since the saints have passed -there are no real saints on earth/ my ideas lead to my efforts that scrap the bottom of the barrel…concepts of holiness/ when God has chosen another path- (to become “plans of mice and men…” / and disappointing it is (crushing!).i would rather choose my own path to holiness…not going to happen/when i only have a concept of God-thinking he is my friend-yet where is the conversion?
this might be the ‘kicker’ to never, ever know of even one prayer’s success…so yea-ambition is human-Love can be both Divine and human-waltzing in each other’s gravity…
only omnipotence knows…and i am doubting dust, sometimes…
 
I have this issue about me. When I read about the stories of famous apologists and bishops like St. Augustine, or of people that performed miracles like St Pio, I think to myself, “Wow, it would be so awesome to be one of them!”

When I examine my conscience about this, I find my intentions to be partially noble and partially far more questionable. In one respect, I really do think about what an extraordinary privilege it would be to get to participate in that sort of profound way. In another respect… unfortunately, I think these intentions are driven somewhat by a lust for glory.

I’m sure I’m not the only person in the world that suffers from this. Probably everybody does. How do you crush these thoughts of grandeur? A prayer at a time?
Whenever I am tempted with that, I try to remind myself of what Jesus said to Pilate.

Pilate said “Don’t you know that I have the power to let you go free or to nail you to a cross?” and Jesus replied “If God had not given you the power, you couldn’t do anything at all to me." (John 19:10-11)

Thus in the same way, if God had not given us the power, we could do nothing at all ‘for’ or ‘against’ him.

Also as the great Bishop Fulton J. Sheen said “I would like to thank my writers Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.” 😃

I also try to remind myself of John the Baptist when he said “Jesus must become more important, while I become less important.” (John 3:30)

And I also like this quote “If anyone comes to me, I want to lead them to Him.” not sure who it was by.

It’s like the student and the teacher, it’s humbling for the student to recognise that the more he learns, the more indebted he becomes to his teacher. Thus why Jesus say’s “You received without paying, now give without being paid.” (Matthew 10:8)

“Humility opens the doors to the kingdom of heaven.”

Maybe try Instead of thinking of it as, look at all those souls I have helped, Think of it as all those souls Christ has helped because I allowed him to work through me.

I hope I have helped you … oh wait … I hope Christ has helped you through me 😉 😃

But don’t give up in your desire to imitate the saints TK421, shoot for the moon, even if you miss u’ll land amongst the stars, just try to avoid the desire for self glorification and isntead embrace the desire for Christ glorification 👍

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
**The best way to crush pride and grandeur ?

Get married and have kids.**
 
Crush Pride? I prefer to call it self knowledge and rely on the fact that truth is also a virtue.Delusions? Get real…Just impertinent people having the gall to tell me how I should feel… the nerve!
 
**The best way to crush pride and grandeur ?

Get married and have kids.**
:rotfl:

Seriously though, OP, there is nothing at all wrong with admiring the saints and wishing to be like them. That is why the Church makes them saints, so we can strive to be like them.

It sounds as if you like the idea of having extraordinary graces like some of the saints did- visions, elocutions, levitations, healing the sick, raising the dead, reading hearts, prophecy, etc. I think that is actually a normal feeling to have- at first. It is easy to think that you could do great things in God’s Name as well if you could also see visions of the child Jesus playing on the altar as St. Faustina did.

However, God grants these gifts to particular people for their mission. He gives them those graces for the sake of the Church, to bring souls back to God. These saints were not granted these graces because they were so good as to merit them, but because they were created by God before the world even began for that particular purpose. And He gives graces to those whom He wills- none of us knows the reason why.

These saints suffered terribly for those gifts. Next time you feel tempted to ask for a ‘superpower’, so to speak, ask yourself how much you are willing to suffer for God. St. Therese died suffocating on her own blood for months. She had no sense of God’s presence at all- she wasn’t even sure He existed, she only hoped He did. Mother Teresa had visions and the very start of her mission, then God left her completely for the rest of her life. She suffered the Dark Night of the Soul for decades. Padre Pio was heavily persecuted by not only his own nearby diocesan priests, but the Vatican itself. His confessional was bugged by one of his Superiors, for years he was not allowed out of his monastery’s private rooms to see anybody but his fellow Capuchin brothers, say mass, hear confessions, preach, pray with the townspeople, or even write letters to anybody. St. Margaret Mary Alacoque was dragged about the convent by her hair by her own sisters. St. John Vianney was tormented by thoughts of unworthiness and had a burning desire to be a monk- he had to forcibly be brought back to Ars each time he ran away in the dead of night. Can you imagine wanting to be a monk so badly and yet have to be dragged back by your own parishioners to hear confessions for fourteen hours a day? St. Francis of Assisi suffered from great self-hatred and was continually worried that God was say to him on his death- “You are an unprofitable servant.” Before he died he had contracted an eye disease that made them water continuously, gave him excruciating headaches so that he could not bear any light, eventually leaving him blind. The rats gnawed at his feet as he lay on the cold floor, begging one of his brothers to take his habit so that he could die naked as Christ was naked.

I could go on and on, but I’m sure you get the idea.

I think you are ready to read works by St John of the Cross, if you haven’t already. In ‘Ascent to Mount Carmel’ he talks about this very temptation to wish for extraordinary graces and how to overcome this. Pray the Litany of Humility. Practice being the servant of all, especially those that despise you. God bless.
 
IF you are TRULY great in the Kingdom of heaven,
you will think yourself to be the least in the kingdom!
(Matt 20)
 
“Wow, it would be so awesome to be one of them!” is not a delusion. It is just thinking it would be awesome to be one of them…

I think it would be awesome to be an astronaut. That is not a delusion of grandeur, and certainly nothing to be concerned about.
 
I wouldn’t worry about spiritual pride at the moment. In the spiritual books of many of the saints, that is the last sin or vice to conquer. In the meantime it helps you along your way toward your goal.
 
Such desires are ego driven where the ego would love to have a image that would be admired by others.

The ego can only use what’s in the imagination to promote such notions and the imagination is either dwelling in the past, or contemplating the future in order to make the means of self grandeur possible.

So, the way to weaken the ego, is to learn to detach from the imaginings of the past or future and be in the present.

God dwells in the now and by being in the present moment, we can be in God’s presence and be as we are, as he created us to be.

The saints wrote about detaching from the appetites of the self, which we understand today as being the ego, and it’s the only way to present ourselves to God, who knows the heart.

Jim
 
“Wow, it would be so awesome to be one of them!” is not a delusion. It is just thinking it would be awesome to be one of them…

I think it would be awesome to be an astronaut. That is not a delusion of grandeur, and certainly nothing to be concerned about.
Eh… I feel like this is more than healthy inspiration. I feel like I am saying to God in my heart “Make glory shine on me!”, and it is very troubling to me. I’m not sure what kicked it off but its been assaulting me for the past 2-3 days. I think it was on these forums, reading a thread about Augustine and Aquinas, and at some point I turned my eye towards myself and a contempt washed over me because of my comparative meekness and insignificance… It’s such a far cry from a moment several months ago. I had been awake for over 60 hours and I was laying on the floor of my room, exhausted and deliriously happy. I could feel a dancing sensation within me and I started quitely laughing to myself for several minutes because I could hardly help it. It was at the time when I first decided I was going to be Catholic. I remember I didn’t care about anything about myself in that moment. I was just so alive and had an objective in life, and then I was at last able to fall asleep. I want that back.

Thanks to the person that pointed out ‘Climbing Mt Carmel’ by St. John of the Cross. I’ll add that to my plate.
 
I have this issue about me. When I read about the stories of famous apologists and bishops like St. Augustine, or of people that performed miracles like St Pio, I think to myself, “Wow, it would be so awesome to be one of them!”

When I examine my conscience about this, I find my intentions to be partially noble and partially far more questionable. In one respect, I really do think about what an extraordinary privilege it would be to get to participate in that sort of profound way. In another respect… unfortunately, I think these intentions are driven somewhat by a lust for glory.

I’m sure I’m not the only person in the world that suffers from this. Probably everybody does. How do you crush these thoughts of grandeur? A prayer at a time?
TK, what you’re going through is natural. One thing God told me was “you’re important and special, just like everyone else”. Lol! So, that kinda kicked me down a notch.

All of humanity are sons of the most high, all of you come from divine origins so it’s programmed in your DNA to want to participate and I assure you, you will. Pray to the most high for knowledge of his will for you and the strength and power to carry it out.

<3
 
If you want to crush pride, you need to grow in humility. In order to grow in humility, you MUST be willing to accept all humiliations that come to you. I recommend reading the book, “Humility of Heart”, reciting the Litany of Humility daily, reciting the sorrowful mysteries while meditating on the humility of Christ’s Passion, AND most importantly, accept all humiliations patiently.
 
I have this issue about me. When I read about the stories of famous apologists and bishops like St. Augustine, or of people that performed miracles like St Pio, I think to myself, “Wow, it would be so awesome to be one of them!”
Yes.

This is natural.

However, the truth is, Saint Augustine and Saint Pio knew the real score.

We are nothing in and of ourselves. All Truth and Reality come from God. He is the composer, we are the notes:

As Paul wrote: “And I live, now not I; but Christ liveth in me.”

and “But he that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.”

They weren’t saying that from false humility. They KNEW that God is IT, that all live and have our being in and through Him, not in and of ourselves.

When we see that we are nothing, have nothing, bring nothing to the table except what God gives us, then we see that there is no reason for pride.
 
Humility of the intellect and will.
Humility of the intellect is to know your own faults, admitting them but even even thieves and tansgressors would be considered humble if they acknowledged their sins and confessed their unlawful deeds.

Over and above humility of the intellect and combined with it is humility of the will. This isthe willingness to to be recognized for what you are and being treated accordingly even if falsely accused of some fault and bear it with patience and love

St John of the Cross in the precaution against the devil says: seek with all your heart to humble yourself in word and deed, rejoicing in the good of others as if it were your own desiring that they be given precedence over you in all things, and this you should do whole-heartedly. You will overcome evil with good, banish the devil, and possess a happy heart try to practice this with those who least attract you Realize that if you train yourself in this way you will not attain real charity nor make any progress in it. Prefer to be taught by all then desire to teach even the least of all (Collected Works, p. 660)
 
The quickest way to humility is FASTing,
whether food, water, sleep, or TV.
It is saying to God: “I will not do ANY-
thing that will detract from YOUR lord-
ship over EVERYTHING in my life”.
Let God be GOD, and we are His servants.
 
I’m sure I’m not the only person in the world that suffers from this. Probably everybody does. How do you crush these thoughts of grandeur? A prayer at a time?
No, you’re certainly not alone in that regard. :blushing:

I think Tuscany’s answer is absolutely spot on, in addition to being very funny: inevitably, things happen in life that can either turn us sour or else help us to understand how very small and very dependent we are on God. Having children is perhaps the best non-tragic way this can occur.

But spiritually speaking, I think the answer is to learn to cultivate humility. One very good prayer to be used towards this end can be found here: ewtn.com/Devotionals/prayers/humility.htm

Also, here’s an article that you may find useful: chastitysf.com/4humility.htm

Here is another: catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0015.html
 
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