How do I defend the chastity of a priest?

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People at my school continuously tell me that priests almost always molested people at confirmation. I try to tell them that this is obviously not true, but for some reason they will not see reason. What do I say? These people are protestants at an Assemblies of God Christian school.
 
People at my school continuously tell me that priests almost always molested people at confirmation. I try to tell them that this is obviously not true, but for some reason they will not see reason. What do I say? These people are protestants at an Assemblies of God Christian school.
Turn around, dust off your sandals and walk away.
 
Tell them that is a very serious accusation - and surely they would not make such an accusation without being certain of the facts (it would be slander otherwise, and bearing false witness). Then ask them to cite their source. Tell them that, if their source checks out, you will leave the Church and join theirs (don’t worry - you won’t ever have to make good on that promise).

FWIW, I do not see how a priest could have any opportunity to commit such an offense at Confirmation (and I’ve never heard such an accusation) - so the charge is already on shaky ground. I am in the Archdiocese of Portland, which was hit particularly badly by this scandal (mine was the first Catholic Diocese to seek bankruptcy protection, because of this issue). At one time it was fairly common for priests to take a group of boys camping (and in Oregon, camping is VERY popular). In almost all cases, the molestation occurred on one of these campouts.
 
People at my school continuously tell me that priests almost always molested people at confirmation. I try to tell them that this is obviously not true, but for some reason they will not see reason. What do I say? These people are protestants at an Assemblies of God Christian school.
Tell them two things.
  1. LOL [is there a spoken version of this?]
  2. Say, “I know you’re lying, because the Bishop is the normal minister of confirmation. You said the priests. Get your story straight before you trash the holy name of God. End of discussion.”
 
Tell them they have their facts wrong. Less than 2-4% of priests since 1970 have been accused of sexual misconduct, and not everyone who was accused actually did something. The fact of the matter is that you have a greater chance of being molested at a public school or even a protestant Christian school than you do by a Catholic priest.

But that does not excuse the priests that did commit these terrible acts. They need to repent and seek counseling, serve time in prison, and the people who were molested need to seek counseling and healing.

I also think people need to realize that child molestation has been going on for many decades–especially in Hollywood–and people didn’t seem to care all that much until very recently. I mean, look at the laws in the 60’s and 70’s. People actually had a very short sentence if the molestation was committed within one’s family, even though that is the case the majority of the time. So all these pedophiles would go to jail for something like 24-48 hours and then go back home and molest their kids again. And even the non-familial cases had short sentences, like maybe a month in jail and then they’d get to go home.

Now we need to put these secular laws into perspective when it comes to the church. The clergy have been accused of “covering up” sex abuse cases when they moved people around. Well, according to the secular law at the time, they’d only be in jail a month or so and then they’d be back. So the church did the best it could given the circumstances by moving priests away from their evil temptations, and doing their best to avoid allowing priests to be alone with children. Have the priest who sinned do a different job than youth ministry/kids’ confessions/etc.

I think society has come to better understand pedophilia. How damaging it is to victims. And the fact that there is no “easy fix” to pedophiles. You can’t just send them to jail to make them stop. You can’t just force them to take one class and expect them to be cured and never want to molest kids/teens again. It is a very deep wound and many of them were themselves molested as children. Something in their brains is wired incorrectly, in a horrible way. Although we don’t have a cure yet, we do know more things to help make it so they aren’t able to molest more children (like keep them locked up longer, probably permanently because many of them said they’d just do it again if they were let out).

We also need to note that pedophiles target jobs and volunteer positions that allow them to do what they want. The Boy Scouts had a problem with sex abuse and they recently (sometime in the last decade?) changed the rules so that nobody is allowed to be alone with another person’s child. I think that the Church should change the rules to follow these same practices so that the number of abuse cases approaches zero.

And last but not least, it takes a molested person years of healing before they feel they can come out and tell what happened. The cases we’re hearing about now happened in the 70’s, 80’s, early 90’s… they are 20+ years old. So the new practices that the Church is implementing to help prevent sex abuse, we won’t see the results for several years to come.
 
Ask them why they haven’t cleaned up their own act, since in their communities the problem persists even today.
 
How could a minister “always molest people at Confirmation” ?

Wouldn’t that mean - in front of the congregation . . . with all those witnesses present, . . . :hmmm:. . . it really is a puzzle how someone would somehow be able to do something like that a first time - let alone a second, what with all those parents present . :rolleyes:

The USCCB released a related detailed report just over a month ago (April 10th , 2012) . Unfortunately, rumor mongers and scandal mongers are rarely, if ever, interested in the facts.

Here’s a link to the release usccb.org/news/2012/12-059.cfm . In that release one finds a link to the full report.

. . . several excerpts from the USCCB’s release (highlights mine) :
•Of those clerics accused of past sexual abuse of minors, 253 were deceased, 58 had already been laicized, and 281 had prior allegations and were already removed.
•Across the country, 1.8 million volunteers in Catholic parishes and schools are trained to protect children. An additional 249,000 other employees are likewise trained.
•Nationwide over 4.8 million Catholic children were taught to recognize a grooming process, say no, and to tell parents and other trusted adults about such behavior. All audited dioceses/eparchies have safe environment training for children.
The report notes that most allegations reported today are of incidents from previous decades. For example, 68 percent of allegations made in 2011, were of incidents from 1960-1984, and the most common time period for allegations was 1975-1979. It also found most of the accused have died or been removed from ministry and many had been accused previously.
Three percent (or 21) of the allegations noted in the 2011 report came from current minors.
“Of the 21 allegations made by minors, seven were considered credible by law enforcement; three were determined to be false, five were determined to be boundary violations, and three are still under investigation,” the report said. The credibility of three allegations could not be determined.
. Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York, president of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), said the church still had to remain watchful.
“While the report supports the conclusion of both studies done by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice – that **the majority of allegations are way in the past – the church must continue to be vigilant. **The church must do all she can never to let abuse happen again. And we must all continue to work with full resolve toward the healing and reconciliation of the victims/survivors.”
 
I also would use the Catholic League.

The media makes ONLY Catholic priests out as molestors. But the facts are that 99% of the priests are good holy people.

catholicleague.org/some-key-misunderstandings-regarding-the-child-sexual-abuse-scandal-and-the-catholic-church/

catholicleague.org/category/reviewsessaysandresearch/the-sex-abuse-scandal/

of course, they won’t rail against the molesting Imams, or the other Christian churches who have problems, and especially the public schools where as many as 10% of teachers are molestors.
 
People at my school continuously tell me that priests almost always molested people at confirmation. I try to tell them that this is obviously not true, but for some reason they will not see reason. What do I say? These people are protestants at an Assemblies of God Christian school.
Sometimes you just have to start with a 2x4 to the head. When they say this, tell them that their denomination molests children much more than priests do. They will, of course, howl in objection. Keep repeating the assertion as truth. At some point they will ask for proof. That is where you tell them you will provide proof for your assertion when they provide proof for theirs.
 
Turn around, dust off your sandals and walk away.
Paul’s advice was it not to disciples when they asked him what to do if people won’t listen/welcome you.

Do not hold them in your grudge but just simply walk away. It is only gossip, gossip to wind you up, with the intent of winding you up. Just politely ignore them. They know the truth in their hearts and they just love seeing you respond to their false claims. It all done just to wind you up. Do not respond since they have clearly heard otherwise.

Walk away from them 🙂
 
People at my school continuously tell me that priests almost always molested people at confirmation. I try to tell them that this is obviously not true, but for some reason they will not see reason. What do I say? These people are protestants at an Assemblies of God Christian school.
Arguing with someone who has a mindset and an agenda only confirms them in theri opinion. If you laugh and walk away, you diminish the importance of their allegation. Never be upset by the allegations of the alligators. Did I say that right? 🙂

No doubt that there have been molsestation. but it is just as useless to say there never was as it is to say there always was. In some cases yes, hopefully in most cases, no. But from my expereince, at least two of our diocesan prists were definitly into kids. That was just too bad. My escape was very narrow.
 
People at my school continuously tell me that priests almost always molested people at confirmation. I try to tell them that this is obviously not true, but for some reason they will not see reason. What do I say? These people are protestants at an Assemblies of God Christian school.
Asked them what happened in their church.

Assembly of God pastor arrested for rape, rape by instrument and forcible sodomy of three children
KOCO 5 News - Oklahoma City April 4, 2011
 
beloved,

You need to tell them how it is:

“Keep saying that and you’ll goto Hell.” Or: “outside the Church of Christ (Rome) you remain prey to the Devil thats why you are saying it”. “You need to goto Confession.”

And say this:

“There is no salvation outside the Holy Roman Catholic Eucharist” The mother of God says this/ heaven itself. (Our Lady of Mejugoria/ many other places). “Jesus welcomes Sinners, Come!”

And stay away from them. And make sure you pray the Rosary every morning, only takes 15 minutes, I cant live without it. thats where the Power is.

In Christ
Atour
 
Sometimes you just have to start with a 2x4 to the head. When they say this, tell them that their denomination molests children much more than priests do. They will, of course, howl in objection. Keep repeating the assertion as truth. At some point they will ask for proof. That is where you tell them you will provide proof for your assertion when they provide proof for theirs.
:rotfl:
 
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