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b_justb
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As an unabridged copy of all JW literature on CD ROM starting from the days of Russell and moving forward? Do the JW’s put their literature on CD?
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Jaded27
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Not all of it, no. Just the watchtower CD library (including insight and some books) and then I think there are a couple other things. People can READ though. You don’t need it all on “easy to search through” CD. Jsut find the books and literature all this info allegedly came from.
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At_His_Feet
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Older lit (Rutherford, Russell, even some more recent) is available on CDs. Just check around the internet and you’ll see it. I’m not sure how far back the Society’s current searchable CD goes, but I understand it’s not available to the general public.
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b_justb
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“Allegedly”? The info on 1874, I assume we’ve talking about? Is that right?
Yes people can read stuff like:
The date of the close of that ‘battle’ is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874.
Zion’s Watch Tower, 15 January 1892, page 1355
We see no reason for changing the figures–nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God’s dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble.
Zion’s Watch Tower, 15 July 1894, page 1677
The Scriptures show that the second presence [of the Lord] was due in 1874 . . . . This proof shows that the Lord has been present since 1874.
–The Watch Tower, 1 March 1923, page 67
Surely there is not the slightest room for doubt in the mind of a truly consecrated child of God that the Lord Jesus is present and has been since 1874.
–The Watch Tower, 1 January 1924, page 5
However, I have not, nor can I, confirm these referenced quotes because I don’t have access to the actual JW material. If it was on CD then I could. I got the above from xjw.com/1914lies.html and as the URL implies it might be that the author of the articles therein might have his own axe to grind and the material may be slanted. There are all sorts of stuff like this on line. But to have a CD with the material on from the JW’s themselves would enable a person to check not only the accuracy of the quotes but to also view them in the context from which they’ve been pulled.
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Jaded27
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Exactly. And everyone has their own personal agenda. “Shockingly” (sarcasm intended) you cannot believe everything you read online.
Now, neither am I saying all that stuff is false or even any of it is. The 1914 date is a favorite for people to bring up. But that was not the right date obviously. And now we don’t have a date so obvioiusly there is no propaganda going around about that, at least not from JWs. But search hard enough. . . Heck, search for five seconds, and you’ll find a million anti JW sites. It’s not hard.
I think you find so few refuting it because we let the watchtower official site do that for us. To answer every one of these apostates would be a waste of time. No one listens anyway. I’ve run into plenty who ask questions and hate when the answers make sense and just get angry instead. I’ve dealt with it since I was five years old. I’m used to it by now.
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Jon_Jay2
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They come to my house usually on a Saturday morning and I have made the mistake of inviting them in to discuss the Bible. 
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b_justb
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Are you saying that the JW’s no longer teach, or say with any definition, when Christ’s presence began on earth? Am I hearing you correctly? I am seriously asking, not being snide or anything. It’s a shame text sometimes doesn’t have tone.
“Apostate.” Now there’s a tem I have been called by my Father many times. Fond memories of him and I screaming at each other over the phone. Both of us being wrong in doing so.
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Jaded27
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Why is that a mistake? Is it so hard to be nice to people? My mom used to invite in the mormons who would come to our door. And she had friends her whole life who were different religions. What’s the big deal?They come to my house usually on a Saturday morning and I have made the mistake of inviting them in to discuss the Bible.
If you are confident in your religion you should have no problem “refuting” ours. Or at least having a civil conversation. So few people are nice to us that it’s a refreshing change.
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b_justb
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Why was it a mistake?They come to my house usually on a Saturday morning and I have made the mistake of inviting them in to discuss the Bible.
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Jaded27
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No, no, no. I meant that that’s not the date the world ended or something. Some people think we believe that and all. Yes, it was the beginning of christ’s reign. Sorry for the confusion.
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It’s good you realize arguing about such things was wrong and didn’t get either of you anywhere I’m sure. I was not calling YOU an apostate. I said that most of the sites out there are. And they are. It’s plain to see that these people are angry and want to draw people away from the Witnesses. Someone tried to do it to me just this year. They did a really good job of their psy ops campaign against me too, but I won out in the end.
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b_justb
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personal and vulnerable info
Yes I realize it now, and I am sure he does now too, though we have not spoken of it. There has been a lot of hurt between me and my parents (my parents and I?). They, of course are hurt because I left what they raised me in and not only left but the life I dove into after I left was truly sickeningly sinful. I’ll spare you the gory details. I have a brother who has no contact with our parents at all. My contact is minimal via email.
My Father felt (and I assume continues to feel) that I am Apostate (I understand you are not saying that), because I was in and now I am out and have made it painfully clear that I will not return and why.
It is true I want to draw people out of the JW’s but it is not out of anger. It is out a realization of Truth. “Seek Truth always,” I am sure someone else said that long before I did.
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Jaded27
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I’m sorry you had it rough with your parents. My parents have had to accept things about my life style as well that has been difficult for them over the past year. For instance, marrying a Catholic. lol. But they’ve accepted it. It’s sad to me when parents won’t talk to their kids AT ALL.
I won’t cover the drawing people away from JWs because I don’t think that’s right. i think it’s fine to present both sides of an issue but some people really take it too far. That’s probably why there are so few JWs on forums. I feel I’m strong enough to stand up to all the stuff thrown my way. maybe I’m not. But I’m still going to meetings and I still think it’s the “most right” religion out there so I guess I’m doing okay.
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severinus
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How to make JWs leave you alone?
‘Convert’ in large numbers, infiltrate the JW leadership, and eventually rename the Watchtower to Goin’ Home to Rome.
‘Convert’ in large numbers, infiltrate the JW leadership, and eventually rename the Watchtower to Goin’ Home to Rome.
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Daniel_Marsh
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towerwatch.com/bookstore/cdrom/cds.htm
quotes.watchtower.ca/order-wtbscd.htm
where to get them for yourself
quotes.watchtower.ca/order-wtbscd.htm
where to get them for yourself
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carol_marie
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Jaded,
In this thread you mentioned that the date of 1914 was no longer a set date? Did I understand you correctly?
Because previously the JW’s believed that Jesus Christ came into power in 1914 and Satan was kicked out of heaven & cast down to the earth… and the “generation that saw those things take place would not pass away.” In order to be aware of the happenings of the times, the society suggested that a person needed to be of a reasoning age, therefore it was decided that the “generation” was referring to those born right around 1900 - (give or take a few years.) Well despite the Watchtower’s predictions over & over again for the past 100 years… that generation has indeed passed away. It was my understanding that this particular teaching was the cornerstone of the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ beliefs - in fact I think something to that effect was printed on the inside cover of every magazine? At any rate, has the Watchtower Society now backpeddled on that prophecy? A prophecy that never came true?
And if so… do these words of Jehovah alarm you:
"But a prophet who PRESUMES to speak in my name anything I have not commanded to say… he must be put to death. You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by Jehovah? If what a prophet proclaims in the name of Jehovah does not take place or come true, that is a message Jehovah has not spoken.” Dut19: 19,20
So, do you agree that the Watchtower Society was not “speaking for Jehovah” for the past 100 years that they were fixated on the “generation not passing away” prophecy?
In this thread you mentioned that the date of 1914 was no longer a set date? Did I understand you correctly?
Because previously the JW’s believed that Jesus Christ came into power in 1914 and Satan was kicked out of heaven & cast down to the earth… and the “generation that saw those things take place would not pass away.” In order to be aware of the happenings of the times, the society suggested that a person needed to be of a reasoning age, therefore it was decided that the “generation” was referring to those born right around 1900 - (give or take a few years.) Well despite the Watchtower’s predictions over & over again for the past 100 years… that generation has indeed passed away. It was my understanding that this particular teaching was the cornerstone of the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ beliefs - in fact I think something to that effect was printed on the inside cover of every magazine? At any rate, has the Watchtower Society now backpeddled on that prophecy? A prophecy that never came true?
And if so… do these words of Jehovah alarm you:
"But a prophet who PRESUMES to speak in my name anything I have not commanded to say… he must be put to death. You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by Jehovah? If what a prophet proclaims in the name of Jehovah does not take place or come true, that is a message Jehovah has not spoken.” Dut19: 19,20
So, do you agree that the Watchtower Society was not “speaking for Jehovah” for the past 100 years that they were fixated on the “generation not passing away” prophecy?
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Jaded27
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carol marie:
carol marie:
That is the part that I siad did not come to pass. We know not the day or hour that Armaggedon is coming. But it IS coming. May we all be prepared.
carol marie:
No.
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carol_marie
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Jaded,
OK… help me out here. How do you reconcile the fact that the Society, speaking for Jehovah, said that the “generation would not pass away…” and agree that the prophecy did NOT happen - yet disagree that they spoke in error - and are, according to Dut 18 - therefore false prophets?
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Jaded27
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carol marie:
Didn’t you used to be a JW? I ask because that obviously means that whatever i say you will not agree wiht it because you think only Catholics are right.
I didn’t say that it wasn’t in error necessarily. But to say that TWS is not speaking for Jehovah and the Bible on earth is not right.
Didn’t you used to be a JW? I ask because that obviously means that whatever i say you will not agree wiht it because you think only Catholics are right.
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carol_marie
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Jaded,
I am not saying that the Watchtower Society is not speaking for Jehovah… I am asking YOU how you feel about what Jehovah himself said about how to recognize a false prophet? (Dut 18: 19, 20) Jehovah himself says that if the prophecy does NOT happen - the prophet was NOT speaking for Him. That “generation will not pass away” was taught for over 100 years. And it did not happen.
Does that make you wonder about the validity of the Watchtower’s claim that they speak for Jehovah? It should.
It made me begin to question. Yes, I was a witness from the time I was 16 until I was 24. I loved my brothers & sisters… loved going out in service - conducting Bible studies - the whole thing. I believed 100% that the Watchtower Society was the Truth & I believed I was serving the one true God.
I was so wrong… which was devestating to discover. But I couldn’t deny the facts. And the truth is… the Watchtower Soceity has made predictions - prophecies in the name of Jehovah over & over again… and guess how many have come to pass? Not one. Therefore, based on Jehovah’s own words… they are not speaking for Him. It’s basically came down to, for me, who was I going to believe and trust… Jehovah God or the Watchtower?
I’ve chosen to trust God. That was the begining… since that time I have learned so much about the Society - about Russell - about his beliefs - there’s no question in my mind that the Watchtower is not the “truth.”
I pray that you too will come to know the truth. Because knowing the “truth” will set you free. You are in my prayers.
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Jaded27
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carol marie:
I also hate that people bring up Russell all the time. The man is gone. Does that mean that Jehovah’s people are still being led by him? Um, unless we believe in ghosts and speaking from the grave (which we don’t) then no.
The Bible says that in the end of the time the true religion will be persecuted. I just take all of the questioning in stride.
You’re not going to change my mind and I"m not going to change yours. I’m just here to make sure that someone who is legitimately curious won’t be misled by others who do not know what it is really all about to be a JW.
But you don’t trust in Jehovah. You trust in GOD or LORD. How can you really know your creator if you won’t even speak to him using his own name?
I also hate that people bring up Russell all the time. The man is gone. Does that mean that Jehovah’s people are still being led by him? Um, unless we believe in ghosts and speaking from the grave (which we don’t) then no.
The Bible says that in the end of the time the true religion will be persecuted. I just take all of the questioning in stride.
You’re not going to change my mind and I"m not going to change yours. I’m just here to make sure that someone who is legitimately curious won’t be misled by others who do not know what it is really all about to be a JW.
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