How do I respond to someone who thinks that religion is only the result of someone's opinion?

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Once I kind of got into a debate with someone over (I think) what value means and he said it just like religion is only the result of someone opinions.Later on I found out that he was an atheist.Now I’m asking this question to know how to respond to (just in case I encounter) an atheist says that religion is the result of someone’s opinions.I’ve got a feeling that that is a common thought out there.Your replies would be much appreciated good people in the forum.Thank you very much so for your time.
 
It would be nice to ask him first to actually support his opinion/position with some kind of proof. Merely claiming something and waiting for people to believe it doesn’t work. Ask him why does he think so. Why does he fill somehow justified in believing something like this.
 
If your friend is a Christian, but one who just doesn’t accept religion in general, then ask if he believes what the Bible teaches. If so, point him over to Matthew 16:19.
 
Ask him, “Who is Jesus?” “Is Jesus just a man or is Jesus God, the Son of God?”

That should open up some area for discussion, unless he just enjoys being “difficult”. **
 
Once I kind of got into a debate with someone over (I think) what value means and he said it just like religion is only the result of someone opinions.Later on I found out that he was an atheist.Now I’m asking this question to know how to respond to (just in case I encounter) an atheist says that religion is the result of someone’s opinions.I’ve got a feeling that that is a common thought out there.Your replies would be much appreciated good people in the forum.Thank you very much so for your time.
I fell inlove with this question;
How do I respond to someone who thinks that religion is only the result of someone’s opinion?
It’s funny because when I read a book on the structure of life, this scientist was explaining how our feeling of existance is simply an interpretation of what our senses are picking up.

He can call religion an opinion, but the odd thing is even an honest athiest would have to admit that life itself is an “opinion”.
 
This argument is heavily grounded in relativism (surprise suprise). It is the complete denial of universal truth, especially since it sounds like your conversation began with values and not just religion. If I’m correct in assuming this particular atheist’s relativistic view, then he doesn’t believe that there are universal values, morals, or truths - hence he claims it is all the opinion of an individual. Basically, you are free to believe and think certain things are true for you as an individual, but you can’t claim they are true for other people. In other words, if you believe that Jesus is God that’s fine, but keep it to yourself and don’t go telling other people that is the truth because that is just your personal opinion! In fact, trying to impose such beliefs on others is considered an act of violence and not respecting people’s free will to choose what is right and wrong for themselves.

Let me clarify, that is the view of relativism - not my own! There are obviously major problems with such a view. First, it completely contradicts itself. Relativism is a “universal truth” claiming that there is no universal truth - only individual truths and opinions. Secondly, it completely destroys truth and the more you look into relativism the clearer it is to see that is does this. Like it or not, there is such a thing of truths that apply to everyone (easiest to see this if you take it to the extreme - stealing, murder, etc.) Thirdly, it can go so far as to deny the existence of anything that isn’t proven by the individual’s experience. I’ve never been to Africa, so as far as I know it doesn’t exist. But to deny the truth of something just because you haven’t experienced it or because it hasn’t been concretely proven to you is actually not a human way to approach the world. This goes deeper and deeper but I think you can see the point.

Basically the advice from Scaun is a good place to start. It is easy to make such claims as this atheist did, but when you think about it there is absolutely no argument there. Show him how there are certain truths in the world and they’re not just people’s opinions. You might also want to find a way to incorporate some Aquinas in your argument regarding how it is both possible and highly fitting for God to communicate Himself to His creation through Divine Revelation (I can respond more to that if you believe it would be helpful and relevant to your situation).

One final note on talking to atheists… The problem most atheists have regarding the existence of God is not an intellectual matter (human reason and proving God), but a matter of the heart hiding behind their reason (something big personally happened in their life leading them to deny God’s existence). I say this because you can waste hundreds of hours intellectually defending the existence of God when the true problem that needs addressing is more of a relational matter with God. Again, not the case for everyone, but certainly the majority from what I’ve experienced. Hope some of my rambling has helped a little!
 
Did Jesus even exist? Or is His existence merely someone’s opinion?
 
Did Jesus even exist? Or is His existence merely someone’s opinion?
Are the books of the bible reliable, or is their reliability just someone’s opinion? Is the oral tradition of the Church reliable, or is its reliability just someone’s opinion? Those are more relevant questions than the existence of some guy named Jesus about 2000 years ago.
 
This argument is heavily grounded in relativism (surprise suprise). It is the complete denial of universal truth, especially since it sounds like your conversation began with values and not just religion.
Not necessarily. He could be saying that religion is an opinion about universal truth, not universal truth itself. He might say that universal truth can be found by some other means or that universal truth doesn’t exist, but that is a different claim than “religion is an opinion.”
 
Once I kind of got into a debate with someone over (I think) what value means and he said it just like religion is only the result of someone opinions.Later on I found out that he was an atheist.Now I’m asking this question to know how to respond to (just in case I encounter) an atheist says that religion is the result of someone’s opinions.I’ve got a feeling that that is a common thought out there.Your replies would be much appreciated good people in the forum.Thank you very much so for your time.
Laugh, then point out that people don’t normally suffer for decades and then accept being tortured to death, because they had an “opinion”.
 
I fell inlove with this question;

It’s funny because when I read a book on the structure of life, this scientist was explaining how our feeling of existance is simply an interpretation of what our senses are picking up.

He can call religion an opinion, but the odd thing is even an honest athiest would have to admit that life itself is an “opinion”.
The thing is, the atheist would say his atheism is not really an "opinion,: since it is not predicated on belief.
Jut telling what I was once told, folks. :rolleyes:🤷😊
 
He could be saying that religion is an opinion about universal truth, not universal truth itself. "
I agree. As an atheist who also believes religion is an opinion (to put it bluntly), I would guess that is what your friend meant. I don’t see how religion cannot be seen as opinion! For instance, it is Jews’ opinion that Jesus was not the messiah. It is Christians’ opinion that he was. Those of you who have converted one way or the other, did you not at first have one opinion on something, than changed your mind, and now believe something else?

It’s one thing to debate what is the Truth, or what value means, but I don’t see the point in debating whether or not religion is an opinion bc someone who sees relgion as an opinion, should also realize that atheism is an opinion; and if you both can acknowledge that your beliefs are opinions (bc we are not omniscient) then you/he can just debate whatever topic using whatever reasons you have with the humility that none of us can claim to know for sure that our beliefs are fact. You can do your best to defend your claims, and be fair by genuinely listening to his reasons. Perhaps it will even strengthen your faith!
 
Are the books of the bible reliable, or is their reliability just someone’s opinion? Is the oral tradition of the Church reliable, or is its reliability just someone’s opinion? Those are more relevant questions than the existence of some guy named Jesus about 2000 years ago.
Without the existence of “some guy named Jesus about 2000 years ago” the Scriptures are meaningless, seeing that Christ is the singular Word of Scripture. He is Scripture’s content and substance, and without Him the Scriptures are empty.

I would agree with you, however, that the historical reliability of the Bible, as well as the reliability of the Church’s oral tradition, are important questions that need to be answered.

In terms of a bibliographical test, the textual reliability of the New Testament, for example, is by far the greatest of any book of antiquity (their accuracy is 99.7%, the remaining .3% being variant readings which have no bearing upon any doctrinal content).

In terms of internal evidence, the New Testament exhibits the following:
1) GENRE: It asserts itself to be an authentic and accurate historical narrative
**2) CONSISTENCY AND CORROBORATION: **There is no proof that the N.T. documents are untruthful. Wherever apparent contradictions have appeared, harmonizations have been found. Furthermore, we ought not to bring preconceived ideas to a text which imply the source to be false, i.e., we ought to give the text the benefit of the doubt.
**3) RING OF TRUTH: **The text does not read like a propaganda piece, but rather as a realistic and plausible portrayal of human nature. For instance, the criterion of embarrassment (Peter denying Christ three times, harsh accusations against Jesus, and harsh accusations by Jesus [to Pharisees, etc.], the resurrection being first reported by women–whose testimony was not valid in a court of law). There is also nothing politically persuasive about the New Testament, seeing that Christ continually affirms His Kingdom not to be of this earth, and yet, Pilate had no power given him to crucify Christ than was given him by the Father.
**4) AUTHORITY OF WRITERS: **They were all able to record eye-witness testimony. For example, Matthew and John were eyewitnesses, Mark and Luke carefully interviewed eyewitnesses. Moreover, if the texts were inaccurate, people were around who had witnessed the events who could discredit them (how could Christianity flourish to the extent that it did if anyone could simply go to Christ’s tomb and see His dead body?). The New Testament documents were written before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. This was predicted by Jesus (Mark 13:2; Matthew 24:2; Luke 19:44; Luke 21:6).
**5) CHARACTER AND MOTIVATION OF WRITERS: **What did the writers have to gain by lying? They had nothing to gain and everything to lose by lying. Who in their right mind–and there are no good reasons to believe that the disciples of Jesus were insane–would defend what they know to be a lie with the high probability of being tortured to death? (11 of the 12 were executed; only 1 died a natural death). Furthermore, those who were Jews would think of themselves as risking damnation by opposing salvation by the Mosaic Law (e.g. Deut. 6:4 “God is one”).
6) INTERTEXTUAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN O.T. and N.T.: If the New Testament is reliable on independent grounds and quotes the Old Testament, there is reason to think that it is reliable. If O.T. makes predictions which are confirmed in the N.T., reason to think the O.T. is reliable. Jesus fulfilled a large number of specific prophecies, many of which he could not arrange, e.g. His place of birth, manner of death, etc.

In terms of external evidence, we have confirmations from Christian and non-Christian sources, fulfilled prophecy, and archaeology.

In other words, there are no good reasons to disbelieve in the reliability of the New Testament documents. This is not a matter of subjective opinion, but of objective fact.

FCCopleston
 
I agree. As an atheist who also believes religion is an opinion (to put it bluntly), I would guess that is what your friend meant. I don’t see how religion cannot be seen as opinion! For instance, it is Jews’ opinion that Jesus was not the messiah. It is Christians’ opinion that he was. Those of you who have converted one way or the other, did you not at first have one opinion on something, than changed your mind, and now believe something else?
Okay, I understand the point you are trying to make, but when I hear something is merely an “opinion” I regard that as someone saying it has no solid foundation in truth (whether or not that’s the atheist’s claim I can’t say for sure, but that’s at least what I would personally hear and understand being said). So to use your example, when you say the Jewish opinion is that Jesus was not the messiah and the Christian opinion is that He was, to me that implies you are trying to make those two “opinions” equal. I would say Christians *recognize *that Jesus was the messiah and the Jews don’t - “recognize” seems to imply that there is an actual truth and a right & wrong belief - whereas “opinion” does not.

The problem I see is that we use so many words interchangeably when they actual mean and imply different things. I’d be interested in hearing where other people stand on this… not sure if we are on topic anymore though 🙂
 
Once I kind of got into a debate with someone over (I think) what value means and he said it just like religion is only the result of someone opinions.Later on I found out that he was an atheist.Now I’m asking this question to know how to respond to (just in case I encounter) an atheist says that religion is the result of someone’s opinions.I’ve got a feeling that that is a common thought out there.Your replies would be much appreciated good people in the forum.Thank you very much so for your time.
Atheists who debate against religious, IMO, seem to have a desire to believe they are good, even if they don’t buy into our yardstick of what “good” means. They have morals and values, and they hold them very dear and believe they are more “pure” than religious morals, because they are unencumbered by the politics etc. that can go on in institutional religions.

My first advice is to not try to convince him intellectually that there is a God. You’re going to have to go subliminal. If you say, “here is why we should all believe in God,” the shields go up and it makes it harder to penetrate. So get him to let down his guard. Treat him with respect. You don’t have to believe him, but don’t tell him you agree or disagree. Just act fascinated as he answers your questions about morality and religion, etc. Try to restate his major points, so he may know that you understand him.

This will do something he has likely never seen from a religious person, make him feel like he and his thoughts are not worthless, and in fact are interesting enough that I want to take my time hearing them.

Show him love in every way you can, including tolerating his views. Don’t agree, but neither do you need to tell him you disagree, at least not directly, and not right at first. Simply listen, and in so doing you will be treating him as God would have us treat Jesus himself, by “listening to him.”

Chances are you may agree with some or even much of his ideas about right and wrong. It’s OK to say, I look at it differently but I’m really interested in your take on it, or you can also say you agree with him – you don’t have to get into whether we know that by revelation or whether he figured it our by himself. All that can wait.

Basically, bait him with respect, kindness, and love that he has never felt before from a Christian. Play him like a catfish; don’t be too eager to set the hook until he’s definitely swallowed the bait.

Such are, IMO, some of the tricks I can think of if I want to be a “fisher of men.” Fishermen use bait-and-switch. Give him what his heart desires – worldly admiration and affirmation as a “good” person – as bait, and then once he’s hooked, carefully reel him in with true love and Christian peace, more than the world can give, without breaking the line.

Plus, don’t worry for a second that you must succeed in any given time. You plant the seeds, but you can’t grow them. Trust the Holy Spirit is guiding all for His purposes, so don’t fret over whether your approach works the way you had hoped. Do what you can and then see what happens next. He’s not going to be convinced until God shows him, in His time schedule and at His will – so no point in fighting it. You can neither force his conversion nor prevent it. You can, however plant seeds, spread fertilizer and water, and lots of TLC.

Alan
 
The thing is, the atheist would say his atheism is not really an "opinion,: since it is not predicated on belief.
Jut telling what I was once told, folks. :rolleyes:🤷😊
I know what you mean.

Humans have worshipped and looked up to a God longer than they have even had the ability to speak, yet, athiesm some how still exist.
 
Back to the topic question of “how do I respond to someone …” I don’t need the rest of the question.

What do you suppose Jesus would do first, in the situation where atheists approach us with a grudge? a) wash their feet, b) give them words of comfort, c) tell them they will go to hell if they don’t shape up, or d) other?

What do you suppose Jesus would say to an atheist who said religion is made up? a) You are precious in My sight, b) let me show you true love, and let’s go from there, c) tell them they will go to hell if they don’t shape up, or d) other?

Just thinkin’ out loud … :whistle:

Alan –
President, Delusions of Grandeur and Visions of Splendor ‘R’ Us.
 
Okay, I understand the point you are trying to make, but when I hear something is merely an “opinion” I regard that as someone saying it has no solid foundation in truth (whether or not that’s the atheist’s claim I can’t say for sure, but that’s at least what I would personally hear and understand being said). So to use your example, when you say the Jewish opinion is that Jesus was not the messiah and the Christian opinion is that He was, to me that implies you are trying to make those two “opinions” equal. I would say Christians *recognize *that Jesus was the messiah and the Jews don’t - “recognize” seems to imply that there is an actual truth and a right & wrong belief - whereas “opinion” does not.
I’m glad you could understand my point, hopefully you are not the only one. I started writing a response that basically amounted to “touche” but then my computer messed up and when I went to rewrite it, I now have a different answer.
when I hear something is merely an “opinion” I regard that as someone saying it has no solid foundation in truth
While it is possible for someone to have an opinion with no foundation in truth, it would be wrong to assume that right off the bat. To give an unrelated example, it is my opinion that if a person is drunk, they should not drive bc people don’t drive as well when they’re drunk. Why would you assume that I did not base that opinion on the truth? I mean I know you said regard, not assume so I’m sort of like not giving you the benefit of the doubt to make a point. In actuality, it is my opinion 😉 that you would consider that statement as having a solid foundation in truth.
when you say the Jewish opinion is that Jesus was not the messiah and the Christian opinion is that He was, to me that implies you are trying to make those two “opinions” equal. I would say Christians *recognize *that Jesus was the messiah and the Jews don’t - “recognize” seems to imply that there is an actual truth and a right & wrong belief - whereas “opinion” does not.
This is where the touche response popped into my head. But there are problems with what you’ve said.
Saying recognize show a bias in the question/statement. There is indeed a right and a wrong answer - but the truth has not been determined with certainty. Here’s another example to show why recognize cannot be used in fairness to those with a dissenting view: I’m going to argue with myself here— let’s say I said “hey drunk person who insists on driving, do you recognize that alcohol has impaired your ability to drive?” That would imply that I am right (they are impaired) and they (failing to recognize that they are impaired) are wrong. But guess what? I’ve ridden in a car with a tipsy driver more than once and they did perfectly fine. It was only my opinion that alcohol impaired this person’s ability to drive.
The problem I see is that we use so many words interchangeably when they actual[ly] mean and imply different things. I’d be interested in hearing where other people stand on this… not sure if we are on topic anymore though 🙂
I would also like to hear what other people have to say. We’re not way off topic but maybe a little bit. We’ll see where it goes. If you want to start a new thread I’ll chime in.
 
Ok that didn’t actually make a lot of sense. I was in a hurry cuz I had to go to work so uh, nevermind!😊
 
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