How do I tell my father that I can't attend his wedding?

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Oh, I didn’t read this post before posting my above post!:o I’m sorry he said this, but again…he is again making a choice. See, we are not victims in this world. Your dad had a choice yet again, and he chose to say that you hate him. It is easy for me to say this sitting back objectively, but your dad needs to some serious soul searching. I am sorry you’re in this situation…I pray it works out (that he chooses to not marry that woman in question, probably would make the most sense) But, if your dad is feeling isolated, and angry, he may go forward feeling that she and he are not alone…

May I ask, have you met this woman? If so, what did you think?
I have met his fiancee (she was there last night). She’s a very nice woman and I wouldn’t mind getting to know her better. But the simple fact is, she was raised Catholic and has at least one prior marriage under her belt (perhaps two, I’m not sure – haven’t been able to confirm). So she’s still validly married to her first spouse (unless she got married outside of the Church intially – again, I don’t know if that’s the case or not). Regardless, my dad IS still validly married to my mom in our eyes, despite his belief to the contrary. So it’s invalid any way you look at it.

Actually, his fiancee took the news quite well. She said, “I understand and respect that you need to follow your consciences,” and was quite upset that my dad was yelling at me in front of our daughter. She told him to stop yelling in front of Elanor or she’d leave the apartment, and when he didn’t stop, she did leave.

And we did get a chance to tell her before she left that it had NOTHING to do with what we think about her as a person, and she said she understood. So that’s a good thing.
 
An update on this –

After a LOT of praying and soul-searching, and after a long conversation with a faithful priest in that we know and trust, we decided we could not, in good conscience, attend the wedding or have our daughter participate. We told my father tonight and it did not go well. My husband ended up ordering him to leave the house because he (my dad) was yelling and insulting me to my face, in front of our daughter. His fiancee was actually quite calm and said she understood that we must follow our consciences, though I"m sure she feels hurt too.

My dad thinks that I’m only doing this because I hate him, and he thinks it means that I never want him to see my daughter again. Both are definitely false, but he won’t listen to me. Prayers would very much be appreciated for our family right now. My dad is the type to hold a grudge for decades, and I know I’m going to suffer for this for years to come.

I did talk to my grandparents tonight as well. My grandmother understands our position (even though she’s Lutheran) and is going to try and talk to my dad. My grandpa is still unconvinced, but I’m sure Grandma will bring him around.

I’m sure I’ll have my brother and sister calling me tomorrow to tell me what a horrible child and uptight anal Catholic I am, too. sigh (Especially since my sister’s husband is Catholic and they’re attending the wedding.) But, we must be obedient to Christ above all things, even when it’s hard.
You will be in my prayers.
 
Obedience sometimes requires bravery and being courageous. You have been so!!! You might not feel as you should rejoice, but you at least owe yourself a pat on the back.

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I am not catholic. My husband is. I have been trying to decide whether or not I want to become catholic for nearly 5 years. It is always situations like this that make me shy away from the catholic religion right when I am about to commit. I am not catholic but I am a CHRISTIAN. I find it hard to believe that God would want you to miss your father’s wedding. It seems a little self righteous to even consider not going. Whatever happened to love your neighbor as yourself. The Bible does not say love your neighbor as yourself unless they are sinners or have an invalid marriage. One of God’s commandments also says to honor thy mother and thy father. How would not going to his wedding be honoring him. You don’t have to agree with what he is doing. You can even tell him your feelings, but to not go b/c of a question of its validity is absurd. It is not your job to judge whether what they are doing is right or wrong. God will take care of that later. I guess you have to decide if you want to obey God’s commandments or if you would rather stir up drama and controversy.
 
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I am not catholic. My husband is. I have been trying to decide whether or not I want to become catholic for nearly 5 years. It is always situations like this that make me shy away from the catholic religion right when I am about to commit. I am not catholic but I am a CHRISTIAN. I find it hard to believe that God would want you to miss your father’s wedding. It seems a little self righteous to even consider not going. Whatever happened to love your neighbor as yourself. The Bible does not say love your neighbor as yourself unless they are sinners or have an invalid marriage. One of God’s commandments also says to honor thy mother and thy father. How would not going to his wedding be honoring him. You don’t have to agree with what he is doing. You can even tell him your feelings, but to not go b/c of a question of its validity is absurd. It is not your job to judge whether what they are doing is right or wrong. God will take care of that later. I guess you have to decide if you want to obey God’s commandments or if you would rather stir up drama and controversy.
We are beyond whether or not she should attend her father’s . she has made her decision. Whether one agrees with her not you can not question that she went about the right way. She made her decision only after much prayer, reflection and gathering (name removed by moderator)ut from other people.
 
I am not catholic. My husband is. I have been trying to decide whether or not I want to become catholic for nearly 5 years. It is always situations like this that make me shy away from the catholic religion right when I am about to commit. I am not catholic but I am a CHRISTIAN. I find it hard to believe that God would want you to miss your father’s wedding.
That’s the problem. It may be a “wedding” in the secular sense of the word, but it is NOT a marriage according to the teachings of Jesus.

The Bible says:

"Some Pharisees approached him, and tested him, saying, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any cause whatever?”

He said in reply, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. **Therefore, what God has joined together, no human being must separate.” **

They said to him, “Then why did Moses command that the man give the woman a bill of divorce and dismiss (her)?”

He said to them, “Because of the hardness of your hearts Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. I say to you, whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful) and marries another commits adultery.”

[His] disciples said to him, “If that is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.”

He answered, “Not all can accept [this] word, but only those to whom that is granted. Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it.” (Matthew 19:3-12)

The CCC (Catechism of the Catholic Church) says: "In his preaching Jesus unequivocally taught the original meaning of the union of man and woman as the Creator willed it from the beginning permission given by Moses to divorce one’s wife was a concession to the hardness of hearts. The matrimonial union of man and woman is indissoluble: God himself has determined it “what therefore God has joined together, let no man put asunder.” (paragraph 1614)
It seems a little self righteous to even consider not going. Whatever happened to love your neighbor as yourself. The Bible does not say love your neighbor as yourself unless they are sinners or have an invalid marriage.
But is the definition of “loving your neighbor” mean “condoning and celebrating the sin of your neighbor?” I think Jesus made it quite clear that it was not.
One of God’s commandments also says to honor thy mother and thy father. How would not going to his wedding be honoring him. You don’t have to agree with what he is doing. You can even tell him your feelings, but to not go b/c of a question of its validity is absurd. It is not your job to judge whether what they are doing is right or wrong. God will take care of that later.
Yes, my dad already brought up the fourth commandment. However, the GREATEST commandment, according to Jesus, is “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind.” If I am forced to choose between following the teachings of Christ or “honoring” my father, I am obligated, as a Christian, to follow Christ first.

Moreover, it is not “honoring” my father to condone his sin. If I went to the wedding, my presence there would indicate to everyone that I DID approve and that I did think it was valid, even if *I *knew I didn’t.
I guess you have to decide if you want to obey God’s commandments or if you would rather stir up drama and controversy.
Um, you might want to read this sentence of yours again. Do you realize what you are saying??

OF COURSE I am going to choose to obey God’s commandments instead of avoiding family drama, because if I chose to avoid the drama, I would be deliberately disobeying God, and that could land me in Hell. If it comes between following Christ and hurting my family or avoiding drama and committing grave sin, I’ll choose hurting my family.

Jesus even *told *us this kind of situation would happen:

Luke 12:51-53:

[Jesus said,] “Do you think that I have come to establish peace on the earth? No, I tell you, but rather division. From now on a household of five will be divided, three against two and two against three; a father will be divided against his son and a son against his father, a mother against her daughter and a daughter against her mother, a mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.”
 
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We are beyond whether or not she should attend her father’s . she has made her decision. Whether one agrees with her not you can not question that she went about the right way. She made her decision only after much prayer, reflection and gathering (name removed by moderator)ut from other people.
BTW-I have no idea how the three mad faces got on my original, post
 
You did fine, Sweetie, and as I said earlier, you deserve at least a pat on the back.

You strengthened my fortitude! And I sure do need it right now!!! I am going through something where I had to stand up for what was right, and did so. And now I am, of course, working with the consequences, some of which are quite unpleasant.

Maybe you will be the way back, if not for your dad, then your soon-to-be stepmother.👍
 
I’m so sorry you’re going through all this.

Just remember that all things work unto the good for those that love God. (I know that’s from Romans but can never remember the chapter and verse.) 😉 Maybe, just maybe, by sticking to your guns, you are planting some seeds that will eventually blossom in many people’s lives-- your dad, his fiancee, extended family members, etc.

Even if a lot of the talk is ugly right now, once the hurt feelings subside, your witness may bear a lot of spiritual fruits. Try to offer up the heartache you’re going through right now for that.

Ever wish these things would all just work out nice and neat and tidy in thirty minutes, like on the sitcoms??? :console:

Hang in there,

Margaret
 
I am not catholic. My husband is. I have been trying to decide whether or not I want to become catholic for nearly 5 years. It is always situations like this that make me shy away from the catholic religion right when I am about to commit. I am not catholic but I am a CHRISTIAN. I find it hard to believe that God would want you to miss your father’s wedding. It seems a little self righteous to even consider not going. Whatever happened to love your neighbor as yourself. The Bible does not say love your neighbor as yourself unless they are sinners or have an invalid marriage. One of God’s commandments also says to honor thy mother and thy father. How would not going to his wedding be honoring him. You don’t have to agree with what he is doing. You can even tell him your feelings, but to not go b/c of a question of its validity is absurd. It is not your job to judge whether what they are doing is right or wrong. God will take care of that later. I guess you have to decide if you want to obey God’s commandments or if you would rather stir up drama and controversy.
Well, ultimately, the issue is whether or not an actual wedding is taking place. If dad is still married to someone else, he cannot get married to the new fiancée. Jesus tells us that whoever marries a divorced person commits adultery. So showing up to celebrate their “wedding” would be tantamount to giving approval for them to commit adultery.

Sam, the Neon Orange Knight
 
Ok…I have mulled over this …as I said I would:) You have made your decision, and I can’t add really much advice. I think if it’s what you feel God is calling you to do, then you must go with that gut feeling. (that is the holy spirit tugging you)

I think that this is very common in many situations, where one party gets overly angry with another party…for disagreeing. Usually the outlandish anger, yelling, etc…stems from the anger they have with themselves. Perhaps your dad knows that he has made some choices that aren’t so good, but he can’t undo them, and he doesn’t know how to change this situation. I will say this. Their marriage is already off to a rocky start, when fights of this magnitude are already starting.

I hope things work out for your dad, but know that you are not doing anything wrong by not attending…if that is what you feel deep within your heart is right. We cannot change people. We can only change how we react to them. (even our family members)
 
Dear OP,

I will keep you and your family in my prayers. You made the right decision by following your conscious after much prayer, and after discussing it with your priest. I admire you for standing firm in your faith, even though your decision is not “popular.” You explained that you love your Dad, and you explained the reasons why you cannot attend so you treated him with love and honor.

I know your decision might cause tension in your family. But it wont be the source of drama if you dont let it be. I think as long as you explain your reasons, as you did last night, you can politely let your family members know that your decision is not a subject for debate. That will end the drama.

I will keep you and your family in my prayers. You are being an example to others by living your faith.

Sincerely,

Maria1212
 
I’m sitting here feeling so sorry for your father. I just can’t help it!

You are judging him and his wife to be. Let me explain…

I have just converted to the Catholic Church (Easter 2007) I have been married 3 times. The last time was to a divorced Catholic man. (Hence the reason I became interested in the Catholic faith).

When I was considering joining the Catholic Church, I went and talked to our priest. We talked in detail for several hours.

My husband did not need an annulment! (Although he was married in the Catholic Church, and he was a Baptised Catholic, his wife was not! She made some commitments that she failed to follow through with) I did not need an annulment! (I had been raised in a Christian church AOG and had never been baptised).

Our marriage will be blessed this year by our priest!

Your father should have you as his support. Why would he ever want to change his ways to be more like someone who shuns him?

My heart tells me that you could possibly be jealous of this new woman. Especially since you don’t really know her.

Did you attend the wedding of your Mother and her husband?

Remember the most important thing… Don’t judge, lest ye be judged! Honor thy Father and Mother! We are all sinners and have come short of the Glory of God! Ye with out sin cast the first stone!

I’m going to pray for your fathers heart… I’m sure it is broken. Threads like this one do keep many people from wanting to become Catholic!

If your Mother left your father years ago, what makes you think that their marriage was ever of GOD? Could it not have been an unjust marriage?

Think about this… Have you ever voted in an election? Did you agree 100% with the christian views of the person you voted for? Probably not… you went to the polls anyway…didn’t you?
 
I’m sitting here feeling so sorry for your father. I just can’t help it!

You are judging him and his wife to be. Let me explain…

I have just converted to the Catholic Church (Easter 2007) I have been married 3 times. The last time was to a divorced Catholic man. (Hence the reason I became interested in the Catholic faith).

When I was considering joining the Catholic Church, I went and talked to our priest. We talked in detail for several hours.

My husband did not need an annulment! (Although he was married in the Catholic Church, and he was a Baptised Catholic, his wife was not! She made some commitments that she failed to follow through with) I did not need an annulment! (I had been raised in a Christian church AOG and had never been baptised).

Our marriage will be blessed this year by our priest!

Your father should have you as his support. Why would he ever want to change his ways to be more like someone who shuns him?

My heart tells me that you could possibly be jealous of this new woman. Especially since you don’t really know her.

Did you attend the wedding of your Mother and her husband?

Remember the most important thing… Don’t judge, lest ye be judged! Honor thy Father and Mother! We are all sinners and have come short of the Glory of God! Ye with out sin cast the first stone!

I’m going to pray for your fathers heart… I’m sure it is broken. Threads like this one do keep many people from wanting to become Catholic!

If your Mother left your father years ago, what makes you think that their marriage was ever of GOD? Could it not have been an unjust marriage?

Think about this… Have you ever voted in an election? Did you agree 100% with the christian views of the person you voted for? Probably not… you went to the polls anyway…didn’t you?
Frankly, the OP did not ask for our advice on whether she should go or not. She already made up her mind. I don`t think we should be judging her decision. I applaude her for choosing not to support her father as he commits adultry, but that is beside the point.

She is not shunning her Dad. Rather, she has chosen not to publicly celebrate his decision to choose adultery. I know this may sound harsh to non-Catholic Christians who do not understand what a sacramental marriage is, but we don`t need their approval.

The OP`s father does not have an annulement and his first marriage continues to be valid. The OP seeked the advice of her priest and made a prayerful decision.

Sincerely,

Maria1212
 
I’m sitting here feeling so sorry for your father. I just can’t help it!

You are judging him and his wife to be. Let me explain…

I have just converted to the Catholic Church (Easter 2007) I have been married 3 times. The last time was to a divorced Catholic man. (Hence the reason I became interested in the Catholic faith).

When I was considering joining the Catholic Church, I went and talked to our priest. We talked in detail for several hours.

My husband did not need an annulment! (Although he was married in the Catholic Church, and he was a Baptised Catholic, his wife was not! She made some commitments that she failed to follow through with) I did not need an annulment! (I had been raised in a Christian church AOG and had never been baptised).

Our marriage will be blessed this year by our priest!
You situation sounds extremely complicated, and I hope you have also sought the advice of a canon lawyer ber and/or another priest in addition to the priest you spoke to, just to make sure that you and/or your fiance do not need annulments.

However, my father and his fiancee are both baptized Christians. My father’s fiancee was raised in the Catholic Church and baptized Catholic. She is bound to observe the laws of the Catholic Church regarding marriage unless she has formally defected from the Church (and to my knowledge, she has not). My father and mother are both baptized Christians and were baptized Christians at the time of their marriage. Thus, both my father and his fiancee are still validly married to their first spouses and are not free to marry. This is the teaching of Jesus.

If I were judging my father, I would be saying, “You are going to Hell because you’re committing adultery.”

I’m not saying that to him. I am stating an objective fact. Jesus’ teachings say that my father is committing adultery with his marriage. I cannot celebrate that in good conscience, having investigated this matter thoroughly. He must do what he thinks is right according to his conscience.
Your father should have you as his support. Why would he ever want to change his ways to be more like someone who shuns him?
I can support my father; however, I can’t support* his sinful actions*. If my father wanted to rob a bank and asked for my support, should I give that as well? Should I drive the getaway car in the name of “supporting” him?
My heart tells me that you could possibly be jealous of this new woman. Especially since you don’t really know her.
Jealous how? :confused: I don’t understand.
Did you attend the wedding of your Mother and her husband?
I did, unfortunately. At the time my mother and her husband married, I was 14 years old and had been Lutheran my entire life. I simply didn’t know any better. I did not become Catholic until age 22. If my mother and her husband were getting married tomorrow, I could not attend. If they ever have any sort of vow renewal ceremony, I could not attend.
Remember the most important thing… Don’t judge, lest ye be judged! Honor thy Father and Mother! We are all sinners and have come short of the Glory of God! Ye with out sin cast the first stone!
I’m not judging him; I’m acting in accordance with the teachings of Jesus and my own conscience. The GREATEST commandment is “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind.” That comes BEFORE “honor thy father and mother.” Moreover, I don’t think that encourging my father to commit a sinful act is “honoring” him. And remember what Jesus said to the woman who escaped stoning: “Go and sin no more.” He didn’t say, “Continue in your sin; that’s A-OK with me.”
I’m going to pray for your fathers heart… I’m sure it is broken. Threads like this one do keep many people from wanting to become Catholic!
It’s not easy to be a follower of Jesus. If you’ll read a previous post of mine, you’ll see verses from Luke where Jesus said that his teachings would pit parents against their children.
If your Mother left your father years ago, what makes you think that their marriage was ever of GOD? Could it not have been an unjust marriage?
It’s possible, but** I do not have the authority **to make that decision. Only the Church can decide if their marriage was null.
Think about this… Have you ever voted in an election? Did you agree 100% with the christian views of the person you voted for? Probably not… you went to the polls anyway…didn’t you?
I don’t see how that’s a relevant analogy to this discussion. I vote according to my conscience, and if there was a candidate who was proposing that adultery was acceptable, I wouldn’t vote for him.
 
Dear Joanna, you need chocolate. Go over to the embarassing women only thread, deartheart, where you will find Fannie May and Smucker’s hot fudge. You deserve it!!:console:
 
Dear Joanna, you need chocolate. Go over to the embarassing women only thread, deartheart, where you will find Fannie May and Smucker’s hot fudge. You deserve it!!:console:
Chocolate is also very helpful when one has encountered dementors-I think there may be some haunting this thread.
 
Chocolate is also very helpful when one has encountered dementors-I think there may be some haunting this thread.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Bob, you’re great!

JoAnna, you are so gracefully handling all of the “answers” that don’t apply to your question, that I wanted to give you kudos for a job well done! :clapping: I think you handled the issue with your dad very well, I’m just sad he reacted the way he did.

A special thanks to Whatevergirl, for the who’s-really-causing-drama explanation. I really needed to hear that; it’s difficult to remember that, sometimes.
 
Chocolate is also very helpful when one has encountered dementors-I think there may be some haunting this thread.
😛 Thanks for the chuckle.

I’m at work right now but I fully intend to indulge in some chocolate later tonight.

I got an e-mail from my father this morning filled with insults, accusations, and outright lies about me and my husband. He also mentioned that he’d talked to our priest, but didn’t say anything about the discussion except for pouncing on one thing the priest said to him (that referenced something I’d said to the priest) and lambasting me for insulting his fiancee with that comment. It wasn’t an insult to his fiancee in any way, shape or form, but that’s how he construed it. He also said that my husband was an alcoholic (not true) who took drugs and would one day kill me (also not true).

So, yeah. It’s been a tough day already and it’s only about 1pm. I e-mailed my dad back and said simply I’d be willing to talk with him in person about our decision, but that I didn’t think an e-mail conversation would be productive, and also that I loved him and I wished there was some way I could follow my conscience without hurting him.

ETA: I should mention that my dad is somewhat anti-Catholic, so that doesn’t help matters. He told me the other night that he thought my husband had become Catholic in order to “control” me. I guess he thinks that I have no free will whatsoever and was “forced” into Catholicism, and I think he believes that my husband is “forcing” me into this decision as well – neither of which are true in the slightest, but of course he’d rather find someone else to blame.

I also got an e-mail from our priest apologizing because my dad was the last person he’d talked to on Friday after a rather long and trying day, and he didn’t think he’d been as charitable as he could have been during the conversation. I e-mailed Father back and let him know that my father would try the patience of a saint, and I and appreciated his efforts anyhow.
 
Chocolate, Now. Virtual chocolate, electronic chocolate, some kind of CHOCOLATE!!!

You are too good Joanna. :angel1: I fear what I would have done with an email like that.
 
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