How do Mormons explain the "Book of Abraham"?

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In October 1835, Mormon prophet, Joseph Smith, claimed to have translated the “Book of Abraham” from an ancient Egyptian papyrus containing hieroglyphics which he had previously purchased a few months prior. It was eventually canonized by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1880 as part of the “Pearl of Great Price”, and 137 years later it continues to serve as a major source of the Mormon scriptures.

But many many many problems have been found with Joseph Smith’s supposed “translation.” During the late 1960’s, large portions of the same papyrus Joseph Smith purchased and “translated” were relocated. Upon being translated by expert Egyptologist, both Mormon and non-Mormon, they were shown to be nothing like Joseph Smith’s “Book of Abraham.” Rather, scholars found that they were simply common Egyptian funeral documents. Nothing unique about them was discovered. Joseph Smith’s “translation” proved to be profoundly flawed and nothing more than his own invention. Earlier Egyptologist had actually already noted this. In 1912, expert Egyptologist, Arthur Cruttenden Mace, had written:

“I return herewith, under separate cover, the ‘Pearl of Great Price.’ The ‘Book of Abraham,’ it is hardly necessary to say, is a pure fabrication. Cuts 1 and 3 are inaccurate copies of well known scenes on funeral papyri, and cut 2 is a copy of one of the magical discs which in the late Egyptian period were placed under the heads of mummies. There were about forty of these latter known in museums and they are all very similar in character. Joseph Smith’s interpretation of these cuts is a farrago of nonsense from beginning to end. Egyptian characters can now be read almost as easily as Greek, and five minutes’ study in an Egyptian gallery of any museum should be enough to convince any educated man of the clumsiness of the imposture.”

So, my question is, what do Mormons say to this? What amount of Mormon “apologetics” can defend this? Will Mormons admit that Joseph Smith was completely wrong here? If so, why should we accept anything else of his?
 
This doesn’t have anything to do with the Book of Abraham directly, but I thought I would mention that at one time not too long ago there was an LDS person (now banned) on CAF who told me that the way a person learns whether or not the Book of Mormon is the truth, is to read the whole thing through, and then pray to the Holy Ghost to tell you whether or not it is true or not, and you will be told it is true. I don’t know for fact that every person who is in the LDS has gone about it this way or not, or if you are required to do it this way. But it sounds like once you believe the Book of Mormon is true, then you automatically have to believe every other Mormon book or teaching is also true without questioning anything.
 
Like was once asked on Christian radio: Why are there no maps in the Book of Mormon?

Most middle-priced and high-end Bibles contain maps of the Middle East showing where Biblical events occurred. But if any places are known in the New World where Mormon events allegedly took place, there is no sign of them.

ICXC NIKA
 
lds.org/topics/translation-and-historicity-of-the-book-of-abraham?lang=eng

Many of the questions that people have about Mormonism and Mormons can be answered by going to LDS. org, this one included
The link offers up nothing for the Mormon position, and they basically just end up saying, “Welp, we have no clue why the Book of Abraham doesn’t match to what the original papyri is about, but we continue to hold to it as scripture anyway because we know that Joseph Smith was inspired by God in some way.” They just can’t seem to admit any error on Joseph Smith’s part because if they did then all of Mormonism would come crashing down.

But it’s clear that Joseph Smith’s translation here is completely wrong, and instead of offering up any real defense based on a reasonable argument and evidence (which Mormonism seems to have a bad relationship with from the start), they just crawl right back into their little own Mormon shell to hide themselves from gasp facts!

Funny thing is that in this case we’re not necessarily missing the evidence, it’s just that we have the evidence right here and it completely contradicts Mormonism. It’s not like the papyrus is missing, we have it! And nothing on it matches to what Joseph Smith “translated.”

Also, I saw a the continual claim throughout the article that says that most of the papyrus is missing. First, this is a straw man. Second, it’s wrong. Egyptologists, Andrew Cook and Christopher Smith, believe that most of the papyrus has been recovered with only a some small fragments missing.

So Mormons, are the Egyptologist who translated this just wrong? How come we’ve never found any other piece of evidence for the “Book of Abraham”? Surely, there would have been more manuscripts of it, or at the very least, it would have been mentioned somewhere in the ancient world. Yet there is absolutely no sign of it. But somehow, it magically turned up in the hands of Joseph Smith in 1835, only to find out later that the papyri he was translating from had nothing to do with the supposed “Book of Abraham.” Yeah… Make sense alright!
 
This doesn’t have anything to do with the Book of Abraham directly, but I thought I would mention that at one time not too long ago there was an LDS person (now banned) on CAF who told me that the way a person learns whether or not the Book of Mormon is the truth, is to read the whole thing through, and then pray to the Holy Ghost to tell you whether or not it is true or not, and you will be told it is true. I don’t know for fact that every person who is in the LDS has gone about it this way or not, or if you are required to do it this way. But it sounds like once you believe the Book of Mormon is true, then you automatically have to believe every other Mormon book or teaching is also true without questioning anything.
These are completely subjective experiences though, possibly fueld further by emotion. A lot of Evangelical Christians also claim the same, saying they know they hold to the truth because it was “revealed to them” by the Holy Spirit. Anyone can say they feel the presence of God, and they may very well feel something, but it doesn’t in anyway validate their claims. Anyone with common sense and critical thinking skills would understand this. I think some Mormons themselves understand that, but they have no good argument or reason for any of their beliefs so it’s the only thing they can draw back to and hopefully use it to manipulate others who may not posses the best critical thinking skills.
 
Like was once asked on Christian radio: Why are there no maps in the Book of Mormon?

Most middle-priced and high-end Bibles contain maps of the Middle East showing where Biblical events occurred. But if any places are known in the New World where Mormon events allegedly took place, there is no sign of them.

ICXC NIKA
Most of the geography in the Book of Mormon is just plain wrong and there is no evidence for many of the places described in it.
 
The link does address the issue of explaining the Book of Abraham. Particularly, if you will follow some of the footnotes, you will find additional attempts to explain the Book of Abraham. Additional material on the Mormon view of the Book of Abraham can be found at rsc.byu.edu/archived/no-weapon-shall-prosper/thoughts-book-abraham and lds.org/manual/the-pearl-of-great-price-student-manual/the-book-of-abraham?lang=eng. There is repetition among these.

One thing given at the site first linked to is, “Moreover, documents initially composed for one context can be repackaged for another context or purpose.” This is what I heard more than once, but more clearly, namely that the papyrus was indeed an Egyptian document. But it was used as a mnemonic device for preserving the record of the Book of Abraham. The one person I remember telling me this was a Mormon religion professor at BYU. Another may have been an Institute director or teacher. I probably also read it in some places but don’t recall where that would have been. In other words, it would - I am being serious - something like using the Communist Manifesto as a memory aid for the United States Constitution. “A book of breathings” brings to mind “In the land of the Chaldeans;” and “A spectre is haunting Europe” brings to mind “We the People of the United States.” I personally believe that argument is fatally weak, which may be why I haven’t heard it lately. I think the Pearl of Great Price is facing the same fate that the Book of Mormon met in the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

Some people would be shocked to see one of the facsimiles as it originally (in Egypt) appeared. The missing part makes it perfectly clear this was no ordinary Jewish prophet reclining on that “altar.”
 
http://lifeafter.org.previewdns.com...mith-receiving-revelations-from-god.jpg?w=120

I was a active member of the LDS-Mormon Church for 22 years. And I recognized something as I read the material presented here.
JMM1957 had this to day;

"This doesn’t have anything to do with the Book of Abraham directly, but I thought I would mention that at one time not too long ago there was an LDS person (now banned) on CAF who told me that the way a person learns whether or not the Book of Mormon is the truth, is to read the whole thing through, and then pray to the Holy Ghost to tell you whether or not it is true or not, and you will be told it is true. I don’t know for fact that every person who is in the LDS has gone about it this way or not, or if you are required to do it this way. But it sounds like once you believe the Book of Mormon is true, then you automatically begin to believe every other Mormon book or teaching is also true without questioning anything."*

The way the Mormon missionaries present the “Gospel” is done in such a way that they prepare you for what they teach you. And then, there is some information in the LDS Church that is not really mentioned until you have been a member of the church for awhile as it would sound too preposterous in the beginning. (Such as God the Father lives near the planet Kolob.)

Some early-nineteenth-century Americans used seer stones in attempts to gain revelations from God or to find buried treasure.[6] From about 1819, Smith regularly practiced scrying, a form of divination in which a “seer” looked into a seer stone to receive supernatural knowledge.[7] Smith’s usual procedure was to place the stone in a white stovepipe hat, put his face over the hat to block the light, and “see” the necessary information in the stone’s reflections.[8][9][10] Smith and his father achieved “something of a mysterious local reputation in the profession—mysterious because there is no record that they ever found anything despite the readiness of some local residents to pay for their efforts.”[11]
You can find the explanation of the footnotes here;
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seer_stone_(Latter_Day_Saints

Looking back over my years in the LDS Church, it is very difficult to understand just why I accepted all of this as the word of God. I guess in a very real way it goes back to what JMM1957 surmised, and that was that you get to the point that you believe anything is true once you cross that first hurdle into LDS doctrine. Thank goodness I saw the error of my ways and returned to Catholicism! 🎉

DesertSister62
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So, my question is, what do Mormons say to this?
You’re getting incorrect information.
What amount of Mormon “apologetics” can defend this?
There are several videos on line featuring LDS scholars who addresses the so-called “problems”. To find them search for “fair mormon book of abraham” on youtube. Enjoy!!
Will Mormons admit that Joseph Smith was completely wrong here?
Of course, not!!
 
You’re getting incorrect information.
I have taken time to research this and I understand it well.
There are several videos on line featuring LDS scholars who addresses the so-called “problems”. To find them search for “fair mormon book of abraham” on youtube. Enjoy!!
These problems are not controversial, they are established. There is nothing reasonable against them. Mormon apologetics never offers anything substantial, but instead usually ends up side stepping the issue altogether and presenting a straw man. It’s just silly. Mormon claims simply have no basis. Joseph Smith was a complete con man, if you cannot see this, and I believe to any rational person this would be quite evident, then I don’t know how else to help you actually understand.
 
http://lifeafter.org.previewdns.com...mith-receiving-revelations-from-god.jpg?w=120

I was a active member of the LDS-Mormon Church for 22 years. And I recognized something as I read the material presented here.
JMM1957 had this to day;

"This doesn’t have anything to do with the Book of Abraham directly, but I thought I would mention that at one time not too long ago there was an LDS person (now banned) on CAF who told me that the way a person learns whether or not the Book of Mormon is the truth, is to read the whole thing through, and then pray to the Holy Ghost to tell you whether or not it is true or not, and you will be told it is true. I don’t know for fact that every person who is in the LDS has gone about it this way or not, or if you are required to do it this way. But it sounds like once you believe the Book of Mormon is true, then you automatically begin to believe every other Mormon book or teaching is also true without questioning anything."***

The way the Mormon missionaries present the “Gospel” is done in such a way that they prepare you for what they teach you. And then, there is some information in the LDS Church that is not really mentioned until you have been a member of the church for awhile as it would sound too preposterous in the beginning. (Such as God the Father lives near the planet Kolob.)

Some early-nineteenth-century Americans used seer stones in attempts to gain revelations from God or to find buried treasure.[6] From about 1819, Smith regularly practiced scrying, a form of divination in which a “seer” looked into a seer stone to receive supernatural knowledge.[7] Smith’s usual procedure was to place the stone in a white stovepipe hat, put his face over the hat to block the light, and “see” the necessary information in the stone’s reflections.[8][9][10] Smith and his father achieved “something of a mysterious local reputation in the profession—mysterious because there is no record that they ever found anything despite the readiness of some local residents to pay for their efforts.”[11]
You can find the explanation of the footnotes here;
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seer_stone_(Latter_Day_Saints

Looking back over my years in the LDS Church, it is very difficult to understand just why I accepted all of this as the word of God. I guess in a very real way it goes back to what JMM1957 surmised, and that was that you get to the point that you believe anything is true once you cross that first hurdle into LDS doctrine. Thank goodness I saw the error of my ways and returned to Catholicism! 🎉

DesertSister62
The Book of Mormon really wasn’t unique in its own era. It was common belief among Protestant Americans that the Native Americans descended from Jews. Other books published around the time the Book of Mormon was written espousing the view include: “View of the Hebrews” (1823), "American Antiquities and Discoveries in the West " (1833), and “Behemoth: A Legend of the Mound-Builders” (1839). Historians deem them as apart of the “Mound-Builder genre”, and that the content of this genre is typical given the context of the time, but that none of them present real history. Mormonism isn’t really an unusual movement given the context of its time.
 
I have taken time to research this and I understand it well.

These problems are not controversial, they are established. There is nothing reasonable against them. Mormon apologetics never offers anything substantial, but instead usually ends up side stepping the issue altogether and presenting a straw man. It’s just silly. Mormon claims simply have no basis. Joseph Smith was a complete con man, if you cannot see this, and I believe to any rational person this would be quite evident, then I don’t know how else to help you actually understand.
Ok. Please cite the reasons LDS scholars provide to argue in support of The Book of Abraham, and then refute each reason point by point.
 
I asked you to give me some points, I cant watch 40 minutes videos and refute every single point in them, I don’t have the time.

Though anyway, here’s an article debunking FAIRMormon: cesletter.com/debunking-fairmormon/book-of-abraham.html

I’m assuming that would probably apply not only to their articles but their videos too since they probably use a lot of the same manipulative arguments in their videos.
 
I asked you to give me some points, I cant watch 40 minutes videos and refute every single point in them, I don’t have the time.

Though anyway, here’s an article debunking FAIRMormon: cesletter.com/debunking-fairmormon/book-of-abraham.html

I’m assuming that would probably apply not only to their articles but their videos too since they probably use a lot of the same manipulative arguments in their videos.
Oh also, heres a little 5 minute video that you can actually find at the end of the article I provided. Just thought I’d share it first hand because it shows how utterly absurd Mormon apologetics are in regards to the Book of Abraham. Enjoy!

youtube.com/watch?v=t_iuV2vIXlI
 
I also found this link debunking FAIRMormon: cesletter.com/debunking-fairmormon/book-of-mormon.html

Slightly off topic but it does have its of course does relate to debunking their claims on the Book of Abraham. The silliest claim I’ve seen so far is that the names in the Book of Mormon and Abraham are so unique Joseph Smith couldn’t have made them up. Well, that’s completely debunked here: cesletter.com/debunking-fairmormon/book-of-mormon.html#8

I encourage you read the original article first and then read this article as a supplement.
 
I asked you to give me some points, I cant watch 40 minutes videos and refute every single point in them, I don’t have the time.
Seems your comment in #12 that you understand the Book of Abraham issues well was a bit of a stretch.
 
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