How do non-cathloics interpreted this verse Jn20:22-23

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We can see that Jesus breathed on them.

21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. 22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. 23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.
 
We can see that Jesus breathed on them.

21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. 22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. 23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.
Quite simple. The power of binding and loosing!!
 
We can see that Jesus breathed on them.

21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. 22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. 23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.
I believe that the word ghost is a poor choice. Maybe you should examine the greek, and its relation to hebrew, or aramaic.
 
First of all what is a theosopher,LOL. and if you read your Bible Our Lord only breadthed on any one two time in the Bible,check it out I may be wrong but I remember ywo times.
 
First of all what is a theosopher,LOL. and if you read your Bible Our Lord only breadthed on any one two time in the Bible,check it out I may be wrong but I remember ywo times.
I think the other time was when God breathed life into Adam.
 
We believe Jesus is instituting the Sacrament of Reconciliation. Christ distributes divine forgiveness to the world through the successors of the apostles.

And all this is from God, who has reconciled us to himself through Christ and given us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, as if God were appealing through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. (2 Cor 5:18-20)

Is anyone among you sick? He should summon the presbyters of the church, and they should pray over him and anoint (him) with oil in the name of the Lord, and the prayer of faith will save the sick person, and the Lord will raise him up. If he has committed any sins, he will be forgiven. Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful. (Jas 5:14-16)


As mentioned, this is desribed as the authority to “bind and loose.”

I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." (Mt 16:19)

Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (Mt 18:18)
 
First of all what is a theosopher,LOL. and if you read your Bible Our Lord only breadthed on any one two time in the Bible,check it out I may be wrong but I remember ywo times.
The RSV does not use the word ghost. It translates the word as ‘spirit’.

Theosophy is about knowing God through direct experience. It is also comparitive study of philosophy, religion, and science. So a theosopher usually holds an eclectic view on the nature of wisdom.
 
So is this another of the 36,000 new non-cathloic denomination ? does that make it 36,001. Dont get all up set just trying to have a little fun but it is new to me,PEACE and have a great night and may Our Lord bless you and your
 
We can see that Jesus breathed on them.

21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. 22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. 23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.
“he breathed on them” - “them” is plural. But do you suppose that the breath of Jesus Christ first fell on St. Peter before it got to the other apostles? 😉
 
So is this another of the 36,000 new non-cathloic denomination ? does that make it 36,001. Dont get all up set just trying to have a little fun but it is new to me,PEACE and have a great night and may Our Lord bless you and your
Theosophy is non-dogmatic, non-political, and non-sectarian. It is sometimes refered to as the wisdom religion, but is more a God based eclectic philosophy than what one would think of as a religion. There is a Theosophical society and their moto is “There is no religion higher than truth.”
 
What man started it do you know the name of that man
The word theosophy was first used among the ancient greeks. It was an early attempt at eclecticism. It did not become popular and disappeared. The use of the term became revived in the mid 1800’s by Helena Blavatsky.

There was also a Lutherin who called himself a theosopher. His name was Jakob Bohme. He was harassed quite a bit for his non-traditional writings. However, many have found some of his works inspiring.

However, theosophy because it is eclecticism has no prophet…
 
We can see that Jesus breathed on them.

21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. 22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. 23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.
How do non-Catholics interpret this verse? Probably in lots of ways. I’ve read that the significance of Christ breathing on them is that the disciples were gathered behind doors that “had been closed for fear of the Jews” (verse 19). Into this fear Christ came and, through the Spirit, gave them hope, comfort, and strength to go out and share the good news. Verse 23 is one of the verses used to support the doctrine of absolution as one of the means of grace in the church.
 
Our Lord only “breathed” on some one two times in all the Bible here and with Adam & Eve. He was given the apostloic the power to for give sin
 
We can see that Jesus breathed on them.

21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. 22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. 23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.
The following is taken from Barnes Notes on the New Testament as it appears in “e-Sword” electronic Bible
Joh 20:22
He breathed on them - It was customary for the prophets to use some significant act to represent the nature of their message. See Jer. 13; Jer. 18, etc. In this case the act of breathing was used to represent the nature of the influence that would come upon them, and the source of that influence. When man was created, God breathed into him the breath of life, Gen_2:7. The word rendered “spirit” in the Scriptures denotes wind, air, breath, as well as Spirit. Hence, the operations of the Holy Spirit are compared to the wind, Joh_3:8; Act_2:2.
Receive ye the Holy Ghost - His breathing on them was a certain sign or pledge that they would be endowed with the influences of the Holy Spirit. Compare Act_1:4; John 2.
Joh 20:23
Whose soever sins … - See the notes at Mat_16:19; Mat_18:18. It is worthy of remark here that Jesus confers the same power on all the apostles. He gives to no one of them any special authority. If Peter, as the Papists pretend, had been appointed to any special authority, it is wonderful that the Saviour did not here hint at any such pre-eminence. This passage conclusively proves that they were invested with equal power in organizing and governing the church. The authority which he had given Peter to preach the gospel first to the Jews and the Gentiles, does not militate against this. See the notes at Mat_16:18-19. This authority given them was full proof that they were inspired. The meaning of the passage is not that man can forgive sins that belongs only to God Isa_43:23 but that they should be inspired; that in founding the church, and in declaring the will of God, they should be taught by the Holy Spirit to declare on what terms, to what characters, and to what temper of mind God would extend forgiveness of sins. It was not authority to forgive individuals, but to establish in all the churches the terms and conditions on which men might be pardoned, with a promise that God would confirm all that they taught; that all might have assurance of forgiveness who would comply with those terms; and that those who did not comply should not be forgiven, but that their sins should be retained. This commission is as far as possible from the authority which the Roman Catholic claims of remitting sin and of pronouncing pardon.
 
What does it say in the case of Jesus breading on adam and Eve when Jesus gave the rib to Eve.In all the Bible Jesus did this two times.Please I will be waiting.
 
When I was first learning of the Catholic faith, this was one of the Catholic teachings that first haunted me because I had to admit to myself that the Catholic interpretation simply made more sense - both literally and contextually. As a Protestant, I simply couldn’t explain this passage away when I confronted it.

When I posed the question to one of the scholars in our evangelical church, he simply said that this ability (gift) to forgive sins died with the original apostles. I immediately saw this as a very weak and seriously flawed argument - especially in light of the apostolic succession that was later exercised in Acts 1 with Matthias being appointed to take Judas’ place in the apostleship. Are we to assume that Matthias was only granted a “limited” role in the apostleship? Not so. God’s earthly institutions/sacraments are here for all time and only when time no longer exists, will they no longer be necessary.

To deny the graces that the Sacraments convey to us does not nullify that Sacrament, it only nullifies our receptivity of those graces available to us. If I deny the law of gravity and jump off a building, I do not break this law, I only break myself. Furthermore, I only prove the existence of this very law.

Likewise, while the Sacrament of marriage is between one man and one woman, this sacrament did not die with the original couple, Adam and Eve. It continues on even today.

We can not change the truth by denying it because we then only lie to ourselves.

God Bless
 
We can see that Jesus breathed on them.

21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. 22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. 23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.
Here is what Ellen White says in Desire of Ages

“Whosesoever sins ye remit,” said Christ, “they are remitted; . . . and whosesoever sins ye retain, they are retained.” Christ here gives no liberty for any man to pass judgment upon others. In the Sermon on the Mount He forbade this. It is the prerogative of God. But on the church in its organized capacity He places a responsibility for the individual members. Toward those who fall into sin, the church has a duty, to warn, to instruct, and if possible to restore. “Reprove, rebuke, exhort,” the Lord says, “with all long-suffering and doctrine.” 2 Tim. 4:2. Deal

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faithfully with wrongdoing. Warn every soul that is in danger. Leave none to deceive themselves. Call sin by its right name. Declare what God has said in regard to lying, Sabbathbreaking, stealing, idolatry, and every other evil. “They which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.” Gal. 5:21. If they persist in sin, the judgment you have declared from God’s word is pronounced upon them in heaven. In choosing to sin, they disown Christ; the church must show that she does not sanction their deeds, or she herself dishonors her Lord. She must say about sin what God says about it. She must deal with it as God directs, and her action is ratified in heaven. He who despises the authority of the church despises the authority of Christ Himself.
But there is a brighter side to the picture. “Whosesoever sins ye remit, they are remitted.” Let this thought be kept uppermost. In labor for the erring, let every eye be directed to Christ. Let the shepherds have a tender care for the flock of the Lord’s pasture. Let them speak to the erring of the forgiving mercy of the Saviour. Let them encourage the sinner to repent, and believe in Him who can pardon. Let them declare, on the authority of God’s word, “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” 1 John 1:9. All who repent have the assurance, “He will have compassion upon us; He will subdue our iniquities; and Thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea.” Micah 7:19.

Let the repentance of the sinner be accepted by the church with grateful hearts. Let the repenting one be led out from the darkness of unbelief into the light of faith and righteousness. Let his trembling hand be placed in the loving hand of Jesus. Such a remission is ratified in heaven.

Only in this sense has the church power to absolve the sinner. Remission of sins can be obtained only through the merits of Christ. To no man, to no body of men, is given power to free the soul from guilt. Christ charged His disciples to preach the remission of sins in His name among all nations; but they themselves were not empowered to remove one stain of sin. The name of Jesus is the only “name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” Acts 4:12.
 
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