How do other Abrahamic Religions perceive the afterlife?

[otterman]

Yes but in that conditions: If some learn the fact about Mohammed and then reject Mohammed then he has a responsibility. Sometimes Mohammed and Islam is introduced in a wrong way so that prevent people to learn the facts and so that condition maybe a excuse for them. That issue is controversial. God knows the best.

So in Islam, a person can be sent to Hell just because he does not accept Allah as god, and Mohammed as his prophet?

Could you provide verses from the Quran which confirm this?

Sometimes Mohammed and Islam is introduced in a wrong way so that prevent people to learn the facts and so that condition maybe a excuse for them

Could you give examples of a “wrong way Mohammed and Islam is introduced that it prevents people to learn the facts”?

 

[BornInMarch]

When human depart the exam is finished so there is no return. What ı mean a sinful will pay in Hell then he can escape. But the penalty of rejection is the unending Hell. Good deeds of unbelievers may help for less suffer.

Intresting. Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions.

I do have some other questions though.

First, would someone count as a nonbeliever if he considered himself a Muslim but was insincere about it?

Secondly, what would happen to a muslim who’s bad deeds exceed his belief?

 

[openmind77]

Thanks openmind.

I have a lot of time for Meher Baba

There are a lot of things that were good that came from him. I don’t think however, as he claimed to be an Avatar, he was the Forgiver of Sins, the Source of Salvation.

Baha’u’llah was all of those. I think Meher Baba drew his inspiration from the Avatars such as Krishna, Jesus, and Baha’u’llah. This does not in any way lessen the reverence I hold towards Meher Baba, I am openminded (no pun intended lol) to his teachings except for reincarnation. (His reasoning for reincarnation in “God Speaks” is flawed in my humble opinion)

Please also don’t think that the passage I quoted from Baha’u’llah is the only Text on the subject of the afterlife. There are numerous things He exposed to humanity on this subject

I think when He states that:

"The Maids of Heaven, inmates of the loftiest mansions, will circle around it, and the Prophets of God and His chosen ones will seek its companionship. With them that soul will freely converse, and will recount unto them that which it hath been made to endure in the path of God, the Lord of all worlds."

…it is incredibly touching, it pulls on my heart strings (not sure if does with yours ) and it is an indication He knows “exactly” what will happen to us when we die.

Happy to dialogue and explore further if you, or anyone, wishes…



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It is good that you have read Meher Baba, so that you get another perspective (not just those thousands of tablets).

Actually I don’t think Meher Baba was an Avatar either any more than Bahauallah was. But his writings have more substance than all those tablets. The passage you quoted was really nothing but fluff with very little substance in it (at least as far as I can tell). As you say, his works are meant to evoke emotions and touch people - they don’t have that much substance.

As for reincarnation - that is not something to be reasoned - it is either true or it is not. Only when the Christ returns and tells us what the facts are, will we know for sure.

The thing is - if the Christ when he returns says reincarnation is not true, I will accept it without too much of a problem.

However, if the Christ says that reincarnation is a fact, will you be able to accept it? In fact will you even be able to handle it? It is will be very interesting to watch the struggle.

 

[Servant19]

It is good that you have read Meher Baba, so that you get another perspective (not just those thousands of tablets).

His perspective is “interesting” but I most definitely do not ever feel I want to bow before Him and beg for forgiveness

The Word made flesh in the Age in which I live in is the only One I would consider doing that to. Meher Baba is not that …

Actually I don’t think Meher Baba was an Avatar either

Good
We have unity here

any more than Bahauallah was.

I can assume you have not read one book about the life of Baha’u’llah correct?
(why do people who have read nothing about something make statements as if they know something?)

But his writings have more substance than all those tablets.

So you have read “all those tablets”?
Wow…

The passage you quoted was really nothing but fluff with very little substance in it (at least as far as I can tell).

It’s a shame

As you say, his works are meant to evoke emotions and touch people - they don’t have that much substance.

Personally I think that Baha’u’llah telling me that when I die, all the Prophets and loved ones of God will surround my soul and I will be allowed to tell them all the hardships that I had endured, is something of INCREDIBLE substance…maybe you are looking for something else…

Personally I love the emotion of love (to the point of tears) that is created when something touches the soul

As for reincarnation - that is not something to be reasoned - it is either true or it is not.

Yes, but Meher Baba reasons it…

Only when the Christ returns and tells us what the facts are, will we know for sure.

And so I agree, which is why Baha’u’llah did not reason it, He simply stated that it does not exist.

Christ confirmed this in His first coming, in Hebrews, through St. Paul, in which He clearly states:

"Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment…"

The thing is - if the Christ when he returns says reincarnation is not true, I will accept it without too much of a problem.

He doesn’t need to, He already said it in His first coming (see above) and He even confirmed it in His second coming

However, if the Christ says that reincarnation is a fact, will you be able to accept it? In fact will you even be able to handle it? It is will be very interesting to watch the struggle.

Not sure, I may scream while pulling my hair out, running down the street. It will be a massive struggle…

It will mean either :

1. The Letter of Paul entitled Hebrews is a fake, or
2. The translation of that letter from the Greek is incorrect, or
3. Baha’u’llah is not who He said He was, or
4. Reincarnation actually does not exist.

I’ll stick with number 4, but if you hear someone screaming down your street, come and help me! Please…

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(just a bit of fun the last bit)

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[hasantas]

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First, would someone count as a nonbeliever if he considered himself a Muslim but was insincere about it?

 

[openmind77]

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I can assume you have not read one book about the life of Baha’u’llah correct?
…So you have read “all those tablets”?

It is true that I have not read that much. But I have tried to read the stuff you and others have posted here. Like I said it sounds mostly like a lot of fluff - not bad, but Khalil Gibran is better at this sort of writing.

Personally I think that Baha’u’llah telling me that when I die, all the Prophets and loved ones of God will surround my soul and I will be allowed to tell them all the hardships that I had endured, is something of INCREDIBLE substance…maybe you are looking for something else…

If he is saying that, he is completely wrong. After death, both you and me will be in purgatory and there are no Prophets and saints in purgatory. You may eventually meet them, but only after being purified by a stay in purgatory.

Personally I love the emotion of love (to the point of tears) that is created when something touches the soul

Maybe you need to watch some soap operas? Many of them can make you cry.

Christ confirmed this in His first coming, in Hebrews, through St. Paul, in which He clearly states:

So you believe in everything Paul says? But you don’t believe in purgatory?

He doesn’t need to, He already said it in His first coming (see above) and He even confirmed it in His second coming

The Christ never said that himself in so many words. The Second Coming is yet to occur and you will hear for yourself quite soon.

Not sure, I may scream while pulling my hair out, running down the street. It will be a massive struggle…

You will not be alone. More than half the world will be with you.

It will mean either :

1. The Letter of Paul entitled Hebrews is a fake, or
2. The translation of that letter from the Greek is incorrect, or
3. Baha’u’llah is not who He said He was, or
4. Reincarnation actually does not exist.

1 Just because something has mistakes, does not make it a fake. It is human to make errors
2.See 1
3. This is true. But again it is an honest mistake, no intention to deceive. Only true Sons of God make no mistakes. Everyone else is not perfect and should be forgiven their mistakes.
4. We will wait and find out - two more years at most.