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MartinJordan
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This would mean that the Torah waa never corrupted. Hasantas of course may claim otherwise.
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SteveVH
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I see. And the Church has probably done no in depth research on the religion of Islam.
Maybe you could give the Vatican a call and help them out.
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billcu1
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I see. And the Church has probably done no in depth research on the religion of Islam.I see. And the Church has probably done no in depth research on the religion of Islam.
Maybe you could give the Vatican a call and help them out.
I very seriously doubt it. Who would have the time and why would the church do that? We KNOW who has the ONLY way. Would you want to see differently. Jesus wants us to be like children and what do they do? Constantly asking questions and seeking.
Why would you want to do that?
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Mark 14:60-64
60 The high priest then rose before the whole assembly and put this question to Jesus, ‘Have you no answer to that? What is this evidence these men are bringing against you?’
61 But he was silent and made no answer at all. The high priest put a second question to him saying, ‘Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?’
62 ‘I am,’ said Jesus, ‘and you will see the Son of man seated at the right hand of the Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.’
63 The high priest tore his robes and said, ‘What need of witnesses have we now?
64 You heard the blasphemy. What is your finding?’ Their verdict was unanimous: he deserved to die.
Sorry dronald! Candidly ı did not understand what you asked but now ı do. Actually ı have answered your question. I have stated that ıf the word of Son would be changed with prophet or messenger of God then the problem is solved. Example “Are you the Christ, the Messenger(Son) of the Blessed One”. And also what does that mean “ Son of man seated at the right hand of the Power”. Who is Son of man?
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hasantas
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Be sure Church is aware of everything even such thing that will make you very surprise when you hear.
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otterman
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If they have, it’s not reflected in their statements about it.I see. And the Church has probably done no in depth research on the religion of Islam.
Maybe you could give the Vatican a call and help them out.
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otterman
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Where is the evidence to support your claim?
The high priest at Jesus’s trial knew very well what Jesus meant, hence the reason for the death penalty to be applied.
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otterman
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“The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”
Muslims may acknowledge a creator god, but it is not the Bible God YHWH.
The origins of the Islamic god Allah do not lie within the Biblical understanding of God. Allah was the "creator "god known and worshiped by Mohammed, before and after he founded the Islamic faith.
The god of the Quran is the god of Mohammed, it is not the God of the Bible.
The god of the Quran rejects what the Bible God teaches,Allah is not a Trinity (4:171; 5:73; 5:116); he is a Father to no one (5:18; 19:88-93; 21:26); he has no love for unbelievers (3:32); and he is the “best of deceivers” (3:54; 8:30).
Muslims may acknowledge a creator god, but it is not the Bible God YHWH.
The origins of the Islamic god Allah do not lie within the Biblical understanding of God. Allah was the "creator "god known and worshiped by Mohammed, before and after he founded the Islamic faith.
The god of the Quran is the god of Mohammed, it is not the God of the Bible.
The god of the Quran rejects what the Bible God teaches,Allah is not a Trinity (4:171; 5:73; 5:116); he is a Father to no one (5:18; 19:88-93; 21:26); he has no love for unbelievers (3:32); and he is the “best of deceivers” (3:54; 8:30).
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otterman
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They may do, but it does not alter the fact that the Islamic god Allah was the “creator” god worshipped by Mohammed, which became the god of Islam.
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otterman
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Maybe so, but Islamic teachings are in opposition to the Catholic Church’s teachings, which are irreconcilable.
The god of the Quran rejects what the Bible God teaches,Allah is not a Trinity (4:171; 5:73; 5:116); he is a Father to no one (5:18; 19:88-93; 21:26); he has no love for unbelievers (3:32); and he is the “best of deceivers” (3:54; 8:30).
The god of the Quran rejects what the Bible God teaches,Allah is not a Trinity (4:171; 5:73; 5:116); he is a Father to no one (5:18; 19:88-93; 21:26); he has no love for unbelievers (3:32); and he is the “best of deceivers” (3:54; 8:30).
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otterman
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Fair enough.
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dronald
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Good question. However, since you brought it up and changed its meaning I’m going to test you. What does this mean?:
62 And Jesus said, "I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven. "
What is Jesus speaking of? Why did He say those exact words?
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MartinJordan
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hasantas
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- Say: “Obey Allah and His Messenger.”: But if they turn back, Allah loveth not those who reject Faith. Quran Al-İmran( 3):32
- And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.
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hasantas
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Ofcourse a Christian would interpret this verse that Jesus emphasize the human nature of Himself. As ı mentioned previously it is said that “Son of God did that or said that” but when a statement come out directly from mouth of Jesus then Jesus does not say ı am Son of God but son of man. I think they forgot to change this statement.
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SteveVH
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Because a man, Adam, brought sin into the world, it would take the “Son of Man” to make reparation. That is why the emphasis on “Son of Man”.
But you must remember that when Peter referred to Jesus as “the Son of the living God” Christ did not reprimand him, but rather said “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.” Was not Jesus referring to himself as the Son of God by his agreement with Peter?
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dronald
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What’s “right hand of power, coming in the clouds of Heaven”. Why did Jesus say exactly that?
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billcu1
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Might not be proper to say. Jesus said"…let not your left hand know what your Right hand does."
The church doesn’t know it’s the left hand that takes care of the sheep and babes.
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MartinJordan
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What do you mean?Might not be proper to say. Jesus said"…let not your left hand know what your Right hand does."
The church doesn’t know it’s the left hand that takes care of the sheep and babes.
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