If the person who impose contraception is a man, It is less a problem than the contrary. The wife can say him that she would observe her cycles, but no more. The only thing he can do is to make the things (effectivness, morally, spychologically) difficults if he don’t want to abstain. . The contrary is almost impossible.
How do people who use contraception go to confession?
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My parish has printed EofC A 4 sheets folded into 3 beside the confessional. Very popular because I’ve often noticed they’ve run out - again!
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I’ve never had a priest ask me about any sin I had not already brought up in confession - for more details. I believe they are not supposed to ask if you committed some yet unnamed sin. It’s your job to confess all sins of which you are aware and if you purposely leave one out it’s invalid.
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There’s a nice quick one on p.62(?) of the Angelus Press missal that’s quite handy. I tend to write them down as they happen but I find that I remember ones I missed if I take the time to go through it before going to the confessional.
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Thanks for the tip!
I do too simply because of memory issues - if I didn’t I don’t remember them. These are times when I wished my memory would work as it should, and used to once upon a time.
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You betcha.
That’s me to a ‘t’. It’s very frustrating but at least now that I write things down I get a lot more done then when my memory was better and I relied on it. The real problem is my vocabulary has been sorely diminished. That’s the most frustrating thing for me and it’s probably my fault.
In the second scenario, you lie about your contrition, so your confession may not be valid.
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yes, + missing words. The word is simply just "not there’, doesn’t come to mind. I can mentally picture the object, but it’s name isn’t there. e.g. a cup - when the name doesnt come to mind I’ll say instead “the thing you put coffee in and drink out of and that has a handle”. And sometimes not even that comes to mind. Frustrating.
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Pretty much. Kinda puts the saints’ opinions about mass damnation into context, doesn’t it?
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When the disposition is lacking or the confession of mortal sins is intentionally incomplete and it is morally possible to confess it, then there will no change in sanctifying grace.
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Wouldn’t this be a legitimate reason to refuse the marital debt?
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I can’t speak for anyone else, but, years ago, the faithful at Catholic Masses within an hour of here almost filled the Church or were standing room only. There were even times when the ushers could allow no one else to enter because the standing area was full, too, and we’d violate the Fire Marshall’s limitation, so we’d drive 30-40 miles to another town. In 1974, we had just under 380 families registered.
Confession was scheduled for three hours on Saturday afternoons, and we seldom missed, but no matter what time we went, there was always a long wait. Msgr usually stayed until all had confessed. He also heard confessions before the first of two Sunday Masses, and before daily masses.
That same Church today has only one hour of Saturday confessions, but the line is fairly short, and sometimes there is no line at all. I’m not sure about confessions during the week, but none are offered on Sundays, and the previous priest here had only 15 minutes per Saturday. I’m guessing that the poster referred to the comparison of today’s numbers to the numbers from pre-Vat II
Confession was scheduled for three hours on Saturday afternoons, and we seldom missed, but no matter what time we went, there was always a long wait. Msgr usually stayed until all had confessed. He also heard confessions before the first of two Sunday Masses, and before daily masses.
That same Church today has only one hour of Saturday confessions, but the line is fairly short, and sometimes there is no line at all. I’m not sure about confessions during the week, but none are offered on Sundays, and the previous priest here had only 15 minutes per Saturday. I’m guessing that the poster referred to the comparison of today’s numbers to the numbers from pre-Vat II
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It would be assumed that this sin is a repetitive ongoing sin then. Could be most any sin.
You go to confession. If you are presuming on the Lord’s mercy to ameliorate your conscience, that is a problem.
If you are struggling daily with all your effort and failing, keep going to confession.
I have told my confessor in the past in honesty that I was not sure how resolved I was to end a particular issue that we were struggling with. He said the Lord will appreciate your honesty but accept his grace to move forward.
You go to confession. If you are presuming on the Lord’s mercy to ameliorate your conscience, that is a problem.
If you are struggling daily with all your effort and failing, keep going to confession.
I have told my confessor in the past in honesty that I was not sure how resolved I was to end a particular issue that we were struggling with. He said the Lord will appreciate your honesty but accept his grace to move forward.
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Ah, but I can’t call that equal sharing when it’s the woman who wakes up early, takes the temperature, checks the . . . stuff, keeps the chart . . . We can’t call it equal sharing when there’s “marital duty” to factor into it - i.e. the man wants relations when the woman wants to abstain to avoid pregnancy.
I’m not dissing on NFP, but I do think it’s disingenuous to pretend like there’s equality in it.
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How do people who use contraception go to confession?
I think one also has to take into consideration the lack of catechesis nowadays (as well as through several decades past) - that there are people who honestly don’t know it is intrinsically evil to use any form of ABC.
So they can only confess what their conscience tells them is wrong/that they’ve sinned. And as we know, only mortal sins must be confessed, so if they don’t know or were misled as to its sinfulness (reading other posters’ comment above), then there isn’t full knowledge, and if there isn’t full consent either - then there isn’t mortal sin.
My parish does keep printing them out, but because people come from “everywhere” and not just territorial parishioners - thankfully we seem to be needing to often print more as they seem to go like hot cakes! And I think this is because people just don’t know what things are sins let alone what things are objectively mortal sins.
Again, possibly lack of clear teaching from:- schools, or the pulpit or even the parents themselves. If the parents themselves don’t know, then how can they pass on what they don’t have? They can’t.
And unless they hear or read something that pricks their conscience and thus leads them to search for the facts on the matter themselves, then they are not going to be any the wiser either, because as far as they know, they know what the Faith is and have been properly taught. And so the circle of ignorance perpetrates. And yes, we all know it is the parents responsibility to pass on the Faith, but if they didn’t receive it fully, then in turn, they too cannot pass it on fully to their children.
I think one also has to take into consideration the lack of catechesis nowadays (as well as through several decades past) - that there are people who honestly don’t know it is intrinsically evil to use any form of ABC.
So they can only confess what their conscience tells them is wrong/that they’ve sinned. And as we know, only mortal sins must be confessed, so if they don’t know or were misled as to its sinfulness (reading other posters’ comment above), then there isn’t full knowledge, and if there isn’t full consent either - then there isn’t mortal sin.
My parish does keep printing them out, but because people come from “everywhere” and not just territorial parishioners - thankfully we seem to be needing to often print more as they seem to go like hot cakes! And I think this is because people just don’t know what things are sins let alone what things are objectively mortal sins.
Again, possibly lack of clear teaching from:- schools, or the pulpit or even the parents themselves. If the parents themselves don’t know, then how can they pass on what they don’t have? They can’t.
And unless they hear or read something that pricks their conscience and thus leads them to search for the facts on the matter themselves, then they are not going to be any the wiser either, because as far as they know, they know what the Faith is and have been properly taught. And so the circle of ignorance perpetrates. And yes, we all know it is the parents responsibility to pass on the Faith, but if they didn’t receive it fully, then in turn, they too cannot pass it on fully to their children.
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