Yet in this discussion no Catholic has said that. What we’ve said however, is that we don’t maintain our justification by being faithful to God, we won’t be among His chosen on the last day.
And his actions completed his faith.
And, how were the people of God, Abraham’s descendants, in a covenant with God? Through circumcision!
10), he repeats the question in the person of Abraham himself, saying: If it is true that God justifies the uncircumcised as well as the circumcised, What usefulness then shall we say Abraham to have found, who is our father according to the flesh? That is, according to circumcision and other bodily observances". - Saint Thomas Aquinas, Romans 4 CommentaryExactly! This is the whole point of why Saint Paul is using the example of Abraham and his faith that came before the Mosaic Law, being justified through faith while uncircumcised! The Jewish Christians were arguing that circumcision was still necessary for justification, and Saint Paul appealed to Scripture and the example of the Father of Faith, Abraham, in that he was justified before being circumcised, now a part of the Mosaic Law for justification for the Jews!
Please, please read this:
No one comes to justification on their own! No one earns grace! Catholicism condemns and anathematizes these teachings (cf. Pelagiansim). However, after being justified and saved by grace through Holy Baptism, we are now infused with an interior justice (grace), i.e. faith, that prompts us to cooperate with it and perform works of charity to increase in our justification and complete our faith with the aid of the Holy Spirit living within us!
This goes against the teaching of divine perichoresis. It also violates the Scriptures.
I don’t know what this means.
I agree that Protestants do focus on initial justification as already complete, and separate it from sanctification, but most Protestants do not believe that Baptism is regenerative. They practice Baptism as an “ordinance”, not a sacrament, and do not believe that it is, in itself, a means of grace. They believe that regeneration occurs with a profession of faith.
Well, “Protestants” can’t be lumped into any theological perspective, but there are some that don’t believe this “judgment” of works relates to our eternal relationship with God, which was settled once for all time when one is born again. But they consider it in the light of how many rewards and 'crowns" there will be in heaven. Using this view, a soul that has backslidden can still get to heaven, even if their life was full of bad works, or at minimum no good works.
By the flesh, works of the law, works of righteuosness…all references of Paul citing their weakness in justifying, saving.
So it is wrong , against CC teaching, that Jesus could be tempted, had free will, had to obey ?
The temptation of Christ is not the same kind of temptation we have. But of course He had free will, and He did no “have to obey”. He chose to obey.
Yes, indeed!
Amen, amen! To love is to will the good of another.
which brings us full circle, that all flesh have the condition of choosing to obey, to be in the spirit concerning a thing,exercising free will…same with the church…Christ is the head leads perfectly, but the body must choose to be in sync, which means she can choose wrongly , and should we presume on the grace of God …that the head is perfect does not do away with conditionality of the body, that she must choose correctly.
I agree with the principle, but just as Jesus’ two natures were perfectly in sync with each other, and He cannot deny Himself, so He is with His One Body, the Church. That which is flesh may not survive, but the divine will shall be done.
yes but how does He not deny Himself and not override free will?
Does he say the church would be guided into all truth ? For sure the apostles were, by gifting of the Holy Spirit, the same baptism being given to every believer.
He allows individuals to walk away. Just as He did in Jn. 6, he does not try to stop or correct those who refuse to embrace the Teaching. He asks us all the question “Will you also leave”?
Of course they have! This is what we call the gift of infallibility. The Holy Spirit protected those writing the Scriptures from error while they wrote. This way, we can be confident that what was written was inspired and inerrant.
Yes. Jesus made this promise to His fledgling Church. Those who are not in unity with the Apostles, to whom the promise was given, cannot benefit from it.
No. Jesus only has One Body, One Church.
What a strange question.
Our eternal state is not the problem here, the problem is in the temporal realm. Jesus said we would show Him to the world by our love, and our unity. He prayed that we might all be One, as He and the father are One.
I am not sure how you conclude that. It is the current culture, of each and every age, where the evil one does His best to divide and separate. To me it sounds like a current events story!
I can understand how it would seem that way, to one who does not believe Jesus made this promise for the church in the world. He did not leave us orphans, so that we could not know the Truth. He gave us authority, and His Spirit, to prevent the faithful from passing through the gates of hell. Teaching of error leads the faithful through the gates of hell.
Yes, she for much time has made conformity the basis for unity.
No, not conformity, as there are 23 different Rites with different language, practices, customs and theological perspectives. Conformity is not required. What creates unity is adherance to the Apostolic Teaching All these different “unconforming” Rites embrace the One Faith that was handed down to us from the Apostles.