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Paul1998
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Hi. I found the sola scriptura doctrine a little bit funny and obviously wrong. I am very curious if there is any protestants here or other people aware of how they defend this fallacious doctrine.
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BartholomewB
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There is no single Protestant definition. For a start, only a minority of Protestants assert the doctrine of sola scriptura, and different Protestant churches define the term in different ways. There are numerous earlier threads dealing with the question here at CAF. I expect you’ll find them easily enough.
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Cachonga
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“All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.” (2 Tim 3:16-17 NASB). What else is “inspired by God”? Where do we find traditions (even “Sacred” ones) spoken of as being “inspired by God”? In regard to Traditions, didn’t Jesus show us in Mark 7:1-13 how to test traditions, whether they are from God or man? It is worth noting that Jesus tested the “tradition of the elders” (which they believed was directly from Moses, and hence, a “Sacred Tradition”) against Scripture (which He called “the word of God”). Have you ever tested your “Sacred Traditions” against the written word of God?
That’s part of why I believe in Sola Scriptura, and why I am no longer Catholic. Hope this helps!
That’s part of why I believe in Sola Scriptura, and why I am no longer Catholic. Hope this helps!
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goout
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This fails immediately.
How did you get Scripture? It didn’t fall from the sky, so there are other elements involved.
Scripture comes from people (like Jesus) and Tradition, as in the writings came from those people Christ established community with, ie “Church”.
Or did scripture happen another way…?
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lagerald24
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Okay, so Cachonga, where do we find the books of the New Testament being described as inspired by God?
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berniemcken
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For the record:
1 Timothy 3:15 “But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.”
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goout
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The even simpler question is, If Tradition is not one with scripture, how did you get Scripture?Cachonga:
Okay, so Cachonga, where do we find the books of the New Testament being described as inspired by God?
Did it fall from the sky? Or appear in Harry Potter fashion.
The notion that the Church didn’t write scripture out of it’s Tradition is simply superstition.
First there is a community, and from the community comes scripture.
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adamhovey1988
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There are as many Protestant definitions of Sola Scriptura as there are Protestants. I think it would be fair to say that, a Methodist does not agree with a Baptist, a Baptist most assuredly does not agree with a Lutheran, and the Lutheran certain does not agree with the Presbyterian.
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goout
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This is true. But it is obvious that scripture can’t write itself, and human beings are freely acting creatures, not robots. So scripture comes out of inspired Tradition. Everyone should be able to agree on that.
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HopkinsReb
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Most Protestants think that we were given a Bible and should build a church around it, rather than that we were given a church and then that church built a Bible around itself.
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HopkinsReb
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The unanswerable question…
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goout
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Seriously?
People have been doing scripture scholarship for centuries. Millenia.
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HopkinsReb
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I think you’re misunderstanding where I fall on this. I think most Protestants refuse to look hard at what the Bible is and the source of its authority, because doing so would force them to accept that, at least at some point, the Catholic Church was a source of infallible authority. It’s one of the major issues that’s causing me to consider Catholicism.HopkinsReb:
Seriously?
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goout
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I’m sorry. Yes I completely misunderstood your point of view
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HopkinsReb
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I’ll add also that most Protestants don’t defend sola scriptura – because they don’t have to. It seems like a self-evident proposition. I bought it for a long time because it just seems obvious and I had never been confronted by an argument against it. The idea that it’s untrue, or even that it might be directly contrary to the instructions given in scripture, might not have even crossed the typical Protestant’s mind.
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VeryBlessed
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I think so many of these arguments stem from the tragic implications of the first word (namely, “Sola”). When I put my own intellect (and, unintentionally, my own biases) as the ultimate arbiter of what is true and what is not true, then of course the result is going to be chaos, with every different church defining sola scriptura (and the foundational doctrines) in different ways. There is so powerful a temptation to pride in the Sola’s. It’s tragic how this pride destroys Christian unity.
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HopkinsReb
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I find it so hard in church lately to say that I believe in “One holy Catholic and Apostolic Church” during the Nicene Creed.
Hell, I’m in the ACNA, which broke off from the Episcopal Church. I don’t even believe in One Holy Anglican and Apostolic Church. When we all become our own magisterium, the result is not true religion but chaos. The Bible alone is not enough. Theologians do not all agree on what the Bible means; how are the laity to get it right on our own?
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goout
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When human beings disagree with one another, we tend to find solutions in writing and disregard the person.
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semper_catholicus
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I don’t understand how Protestants can hold to the doctrine of Sola Scriptura either, given that it is refuted so easily in more than one way.
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