How do protestants explain history

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dmwessel said:
Where are you getting your history from?
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Circa 105 A.D. - Ignatious Bishop of Antioch in his letter to the Smyrneans:
See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.
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Where do you get yours?
 
dmwessel said:
Some Protestants explain early Christian history since Constantine as having fallen away from the true church (church of the Apostles). Constantine mixed early Christianity with his worship of the ‘sun’ God - changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday and the rest shall we say, is history.
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The Constantine myth… Never heard that one before…

[bibledrb]Acts 20:7[/bibledrb]

[bibledrb]1 Corinthians 16:1-2[/bibledrb]

Glad you are here so we can dis-educate all the myths and lies you have been fed. 👍
 
Isaiah45_9 said:
Circa 105 A.D. - Ignatious Bishop of Antioch in his letter to the Smyrneans:

Where do you get yours?
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Catholicism didn’t begin until Constantine and anything before that time (doctrine of the Apostles) was clearly un-Catholic, as I stated earlier that Constantine mixed early Christian teaching (not that of Apostles) with his worship of the ‘sun’ God and changed the worship day to Sunday.

Prior to Constantine, the Sabbath was held on Saturday.
 
dmwessel said:
Catholicism didn’t begin until Constantine and anything before that time (doctrine of the Apostles) was clearly un-Catholic, as I stated earlier that Constantine mixed early Christian teaching (not that of Apostles) with his worship of the ‘sun’ God and changed the worship day to Sunday.

Prior to Constantine, the Sabbath was held on Saturday.
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That’s an interesting, and, alas, commonly held belief among those who don’t subscribe to actual facts to prove their point.
 
dmwessel said:
Catholicism didn’t begin until Constantine and anything before that time (doctrine of the Apostles) was clearly un-Catholic, as I stated earlier that Constantine mixed early Christian teaching (not that of Apostles) with his worship of the ‘sun’ God and changed the worship day to Sunday.

Prior to Constantine, the Sabbath was held on Saturday.
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Actually, the Catholic-Orthodox distinction we have today didn’t exist in the whole first millennium. Having said that, I find it absurd to describe the early church as un-Catholic.
 
dmwessel said:
Catholicism didn’t begin until Constantine and anything before that time (doctrine of the Apostles) was clearly un-Catholic, as I stated earlier that Constantine mixed early Christian teaching (not that of Apostles) with his worship of the ‘sun’ God and changed the worship day to Sunday.

Prior to Constantine, the Sabbath was held on Saturday.
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But worship was already taking place on the Lord’s Day in Acts:
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.

Breaking bread is the celebration of the Eucharist / Lord’s Supper.

The Didache, 2nd century (well before Constantine)

But every Lord’s day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one who is at odds with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord: "In every place and time offer to me a pure sacrifice; for I am a great King, says the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the nations.

Jon
 
dmwessel said:
Catholicism didn’t begin until Constantine and anything before that time (doctrine of the Apostles) was clearly un-Catholic, as I stated earlier that Constantine mixed early Christian teaching (not that of Apostles) with his worship of the ‘sun’ God and changed the worship day to Sunday.

Prior to Constantine, the Sabbath was held on Saturday.
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Saturday, the day named after the pagan Roman god Saturn.:eek:
 
dmwessel said:
Some Protestants explain early Christian history since Constantine as having fallen away from the true church (church of the Apostles). Constantine mixed early Christianity with his worship of the ‘sun’ God - changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday and the rest shall we say, is history.
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Okay…now the onus is on you…can you provide the document, or whatever proof is at your disposal, that shows or proves how Constantine mixed early christian worship with the sun god?

And second request for proof, can you produce your proof how Christian worship changed from Sabbath to sunday after constantine? Constantine’s decree making that change should be available-so how about it and show it.
 
dmwessel said:
Catholicism didn’t begin until Constantine and anything before that time (doctrine of the Apostles) was clearly un-Catholic, as I stated earlier that Constantine mixed early Christian teaching (not that of Apostles) with his worship of the ‘sun’ God and changed the worship day to Sunday.

Prior to Constantine, the Sabbath was held on Saturday.
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Sure, which is why it’s confirmed by Justin Martyr’s 1st Apology circa 150 A.D.

CHAPTER LXVII – WEEKLY WORSHIP OF THE CHRIS- TIANS.
And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.
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So you will ignore Scriptures and the historical evidence given and instead believe myths and lies?
 
dmwessel said:
Catholicism didn’t begin until Constantine and anything before that time (doctrine of the Apostles) was clearly un-Catholic, as I stated earlier that Constantine mixed early Christian teaching (not that of Apostles) with his worship of the ‘sun’ God and changed the worship day to Sunday.

Prior to Constantine, the Sabbath was held on Saturday.
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Demonstrate your sources and their validity.

We have given you our valid ones. Which only leads to one conclusion. Yours are wrong.
 
pablope said:
Okay…now the onus is on you…can you provide the document, or whatever proof is at your disposal, that shows or proves how Constantine mixed early christian worship with the sun god?

And second request for proof, can you produce your proof how Christian worship changed from Sabbath to sunday after constantine? Constantine’s decree making that change should be available-so how about it and show it.
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churchhistory101.com/century4-p6.php
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity
amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception-Sabbath_change_Constantine

The original Sabbath that Jesus celebrated (Hebrew calendar) was Saturday. I mean, why on earth do think it was changed to Sunday?
 
dmwessel said:
churchhistory101.com/century4-p6.php

The original Sabbath that Jesus celebrated (Hebrew calendar) was Saturday. I mean, why on earth do think it was changed to Sunday?
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There is a lot of misinformation on your link…but some info disproves you already:

Constantine, Faith and the Sun God
Many critics of Constantine maintain that his actions towards the Church were motivated by his political aspirations. It is commonly asserted that his Christian profession was not genuine, and that he continued to worship the Sun. The records actually show that Constantine seemed to act in genuine Christian charity while at the same time continuing to embrace various aspects of Sun worship. But it must also be remembered that prior to Constantine early Christians co-opted aspects of Sun worship.

Clement of Alexandria portrays Christ, like the Sun-god, racing his chariot across the sky. Many pagans accused the Christians of Sun worship because they met on Sunday mornings - the early Christians did this to celebrate “the Lord’s Day” as opposed to the Jewish Sabbath.

Anyway, I tried checking your site above and cannot find the sponsor or any information and credentials. I would suggest that you go to verified sites that do not have an axe to grind against Catholicism. It seems your site is an anti-catholic site.
 
pablope said:
There is a lot of misinformation on your link…but some info disproves you already:

Constantine, Faith and the Sun God
Many critics of Constantine maintain that his actions towards the Church were motivated by his political aspirations. It is commonly asserted that his Christian profession was not genuine, and that he continued to worship the Sun. The records actually show that Constantine seemed to act in genuine Christian charity while at the same time continuing to embrace various aspects of Sun worship. But it must also be remembered that prior to Constantine early Christians co-opted aspects of Sun worship.
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I somehow knew you’d pick up on that one tiny tidbit…but…the earliest Christians under the Apostles did not do that.
Clement of Alexandria portrays Christ, like the Sun-god, racing his chariot across the sky. Many pagans accused the Christians of Sun worship because they met on Sunday mornings - the early Christians did this to celebrate “the Lord’s Day” as opposed to the Jewish Sabbath.
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Clement of Alexandria was not an apostolic Christian in the sense of what the Apostles handed down.

Besides you’re already determined to believe what you do despite the evidence to the contrary.

The original Sabbath that Jesus celebrated was Saturday, but changed by Constantine (Sunday), and the point of my post.
 
dmwessel said:
The original Sabbath that Jesus celebrated was Saturday, but changed by Constantine (Sunday), and the point of my post.
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It’s always amusing when people believe counter-factual “history” despite being told the truth and having actual historical documentation shown to them.

Please show us some actual evidence that Constantine changed the Sabbath. 🍿

… and not just some crank website that itself doesn’t have any evidence and shows a rather large disdain for the truth.
 
Isaiah45_9 said:
So you have not read Scriptures and any of the links and quotes we have provided?

Is this a one way conversation?

Please let me know so I don’t waste my time.

Thanks.
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oops, I’m answering the wrong conversation
 
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