How do protestants explain history

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Many Protestants either ignore history or falsify it. The founder of the SDAs, Ellen White falsified history in ‘her’ plagerised book the “Great Controversy”.

I was raised and dunked in the Protestant sect that calls itself ‘THE churches of Christ’. They (Campbellites) ignore history and claim to be the one and only true church even though they never existed until the year 1906. Jesus never had a church prior to 1906?
 
Buddyroe said:
Whether Constantine weighed in on Sunday worship is after the fact, Sunday worship was in practice 300 years prior (St Paul dealt with the issue). The Lords Day is broadly understood in Christendom as being Sunday based on the resurrection of Our Lord.

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Where did Paul deal with the issue? Can you give me the verses.
 
dmwessel said:
Where did Paul deal with the issue? Can you give me the verses.
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I gave the verse in an earlier post, here it is again:

Colossians 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

FYI I’m not trying to denigrate the SDA however one of their hot issues is vegetarianism, St Paul also places Christains at liberty in what we eat in this same passage.
 
Buddyroe said:
The Sabbath is of course Saturday as established in scripture it begins sundown Friday and continues for 24 hours. However we are instructed to not allow ourselves to be judged on a choice of Sabbath days, this is an authorization by St Paul for us to have communion on Sunday, Lord’s Day.

Whether Constantine weighed in on Sunday worship is after the fact, Sunday worship was in practice 300 years prior (St Paul dealt with the issue). The Lords Day is broadly understood in Christendom as being Sunday based on the resurrection of Our Lord.

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We weren’t discussing whether we should have a particular Sabbath day. I was just saying that the present Sunday as being the originalSabbath is incorrect, as Jesus and the Apostles were Jews, and so their Sabbath would have been Saturday by today’s calendar. And it was Constantine who rather cleverly introduced Sunday as the new Sabbath.

And tell me, if you’re not judged on your choice of Sabbath days, do you attend church then? And if so what day of the week?
 
Buddyroe said:
I gave the verse in an earlier post, here it is again:

Colossians 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

FYI I’m not trying to denigrate the SDA however one of their hot issues is vegetarianism, St Paul also places Christains at liberty in what we eat in this same passage.
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answered in #146
 
dmwessel said:
The Hebrew Sabbath was Saturday, but of course it wasn’t called Saturday by the Hebrews until some time later, now was it??
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So what did the early Christians call Saturday? I bet you they called it Saturday.
 
andrewstx said:
Many Protestants either ignore history or falsify it. The founder of the SDAs, Ellen White falsified history in ‘her’ plagerised book the “Great Controversy”.

I was raised and dunked in the Protestant sect that calls itself ‘THE churches of Christ’. They (Campbellites) ignore history and claim to be the one and only true church even though they never existed until the year 1906. Jesus never had a church prior to 1906?
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Catholicism also claims to be the one and only universal church so* how * are they different?:confused:
 
dmwessel said:
Catholicism also claims to be the one and only universal church so* how * are they different?:confused:
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It’s been around since the start and created the book all the other Christian faiths use maybe?🤷
 
dmwessel said:
The manner in which you are bringing this up is not in tune with the conversation. The gist of the topic is that the Sabbath was originally on Saturday and changed by Constantine rather strategically, to Sunday. You must not be Catholic?? Because try telling the Vatican that you’d like to institute a new Sabbath day (on any day that hits your fancy).
  1. Guess you just don’t know your Protestant history well enough.
  2. Jesus rising from the grave has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
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  1. You are correct, Constantine did weigh in on the ‘Sun’ day worship for Christians and he was the emperor which adds significance. But it is little more than affirmation of a well established practice.
  2. I know enough to say that protestant history began in the early 16th century, then we began making our own history. Prior to that time the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Coptic Churches bore the responsibility of serving Jesus Christ, a protestant can’t deny that reality and heritage at risk of cutting themselves off at the knees.
  3. It is probably the most relevant fact to the topic at hand.
 
dmwessel said:
I somehow knew you’d pick up on that one tiny tidbit…but…the earliest Christians under the Apostles did not do that.

Clement of Alexandria was not an apostolic Christian in the sense of what the Apostles handed down.

Besides you’re already determined to believe what you do despite the evidence to the contrary.

The original Sabbath that Jesus celebrated was Saturday, but changed by Constantine (Sunday), and the point of my post.
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And which the links you yourself provided disprove your own claim…and there have posts that prove that Sunday worship started right after the resurrection by the Apostles.

Again…can you produce the edict by Contstantine that he commanded the change of worship to Sunday? Where is it?

An event of such importance would have been recorded…so we will gladly wait for you to produce it…the edict by Contstantine that he commanded the change of worship to Sunday
 
dmwessel said:
Please do explain then how the Saturday Sabbath (which Jesus celebrated) came to be changed to Sunday - and under who’s orders was the whole affair conducted?

I find it disturbing when otherwise intelligent people continue to give credence to misinformation when the truth is right there staring them in the face. :confused:
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Under whose orders? Jesus himself.

At the Last Supper…a new covenant was instituted with the Apostles…the old covenant came to pass and was superseded by a new covenant…sealed with the blood of Christ on the cross…and with a new covenant…a new day of worship.
 
dmwessel said:
I gave valid sources, you just choose to ignore them in favor of your traditional ideologies.
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Valid sources indeed…which contradicted your own claims.

Are you SDA? A follower of Ellen G White?

One of your sources, I was able to check the writer behind it…is an AoG minister…which reveals a lot about your sense of history…🤷
 
pablope said:
And which the links you yourself provided disprove your own claim…and there have posts that prove that Sunday worship started right after the resurrection by the Apostles.

Again…can you produce the edict by Contstantine that he commanded the change of worship to Sunday? Where is it?

An event of such importance would have been recorded…so we will gladly wait for you to produce it…the edict by Contstantine that he commanded the change of worship to Sunday
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There is some historical evidence however it takes the form of government recognition of an established religious practice, Christian Sunday worship predates Constantine, he did not establish it or change Church practices.

On 3 March 321, Constantine I decreed that Sunday (dies Solis) will be observed as the Roman day of rest [CJ3.12.2]:
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On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits because it often happens that another day is not suitable for grain-sowing or vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.[28]Given the 7th day of March, Crispus and Constantine being consuls each of them for the second time. Codex Justinianus, lib. 3, tit. 12, 3; translated by Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Vol. 3 (1902), p. 380, note.
Constantine’s decree was most likely modeled on pagan sun worship, though it is probable that he also intended to benefit the church, which already met for worship on Sunday.[13]Bauckham, R.J. (1982). “Sabbath and Sunday in the Post-Apostolic Church”. In Carson, Don A. From Sabbath to Lord’s Day. Wipf & Stock Publishers/Zondervan. pp. 252–98. ISBN 9781579103071.
 
Buddyroe said:
There is some historical evidence however it takes the form of government recognition of an established religious practice, Christian Sunday worship predates Constantine, he did not establish it or change Church practices.

On 3 March 321, Constantine I decreed that Sunday (dies Solis) will be observed as the Roman day of rest [CJ3.12.2]:
Code: 
On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits because it often happens that another day is not suitable for grain-sowing or vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.[28]Given the 7th day of March, Crispus and Constantine being consuls each of them for the second time. Codex Justinianus, lib. 3, tit. 12, 3; translated by Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Vol. 3 (1902), p. 380, note.
Constantine’s decree was most likely modeled on pagan sun worship, though it is probable that he also intended to benefit the church, which already met for worship on Sunday.[13]Bauckham, R.J. (1982). “Sabbath and Sunday in the Post-Apostolic Church”. In Carson, Don A. From Sabbath to Lord’s Day. Wipf & Stock Publishers/Zondervan. pp. 252–98. ISBN 9781579103071.
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Oh…I understand. DMWessel has claimed it was Constantine who ordered the change of worship day to Sunday…The original Sabbath that Jesus celebrated was Saturday, but changed by Constantine (Sunday), and the point of my post…so I am asking him to produce the edict of Constantine wherein he did indeed order such change. Such an order would have been of such import and would have been recorded and would have been opposed by Christians if they were worshipping on Saturdays…and not Sunday.
 
I sometimes find it troublesome that some Christians make a big deal out of the significance of names, such as the days of the week. Upon further investigation it would appear this is an American protestant trait derived from the notion that everyone in the world speaks English. 🙂 Seriously people should not get so wrapped up in the meaning of names nor their origins as God created all of the languages and is not necessarily offended by his faithful using designations created by pagans to worship their false Gods. Jerusalem is one example by all accounts, and Sunday is another one.

Regarding the Apostolic succession from a protestant point of view, this generally is focused on Constantine’s tenure or Luther’s schism.

As far as Constantine being a pagan and mixing his beliefs with those of Christianity, this is not to be denied. But to say that the Catholic Church’s association with Constantine somehow implies that the CC had disqualified itself completely ignores the Jew’s history since the time of Abraham and how God used pagans for the purpose of His will. Furthermore, there are a couple of cases in the Old Testament where pagans were loved by God. King Cyrus is an example. God call Cyrus “my shepherd” in and also “anointed” in spite of the fact that by all accounts Cyrus was a polytheistic pagan according to the Catholic Encyclopedia.

Is. 44:28
I say of Cyrus, My shepherd!
He carries out my every wish,
Saying of Jerusalem, “Let it be rebuilt,”
and of the temple, “Lay its foundations.”

Is. 45:1
Thus says the LORD to his anointed,* Cyrus,
whose right hand I grasp,
Subduing nations before him,
stripping kings of their strength,
Opening doors before him,
leaving the gates unbarred:*
 
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