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The apocryphal books were not considered Scripture by the translators and were placed in between the two testaments for historical reference.

A brief explanation of why the apocryphal books are not God’s inspired Scripture can be found here:

chick.com/reading/books/158/158_34.asp?FROM=biblecenter

brandplucked.webs.com/apocryphakjb.htm

The apocryphal books have not for a long time been attached in any way to King James Bibles. A true King James Bible does not include any of the apocryphal books.
The KJV is still a translation. The Apostles did not write in English. It may be a very good translation, but some words in Greek and Hebrew don’t have exact equivalents in English, so it is still an interpretation.
 
The KJV is still a translation. The Apostles did not write in English. It may be a very good translation, but some words in Greek and Hebrew don’t have exact equivalents in English, so it is still an interpretation.
I believe in the perfection and infallibility of the King James Bible, that it is inspired and preserved - the word of God which He uses. The fruit of the King James Bible proves it is from God - many people have become born again believers in Christ by believing alone on His sacrificial death for their sin, His burial and His resurrection - through hearing and believing the King James Scripture. I can say from personal experience that if you are born again, it is God’s book that you can feed on spiritually and grow in faith.

The true Bible is a spiritual book which can only be understood by born again believers who are saved and cleansed by the precious blood of Jesus Christ and have the indwelling of the Holy Ghost to guide, teach and convict as to the true doctrines of Scripture and to rightly divide God’s word:

‘Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.’ John 16:13

‘But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.’ 1 Corinthians 2:14
 
I believe in the perfection and infallibility of the King James Bible, that it is inspired and preserved - the word of God which He uses. The fruit of the King James Bible proves it is from God - many people have become born again believers in Christ by believing alone on His sacrificial death for their sin, His burial and His resurrection - through hearing and believing the King James Scripture. I can say from personal experience that if you are born again, it is God’s book that you can feed on spiritually and grow in faith.

if that is your standard, the the Book of Mormon is from God, as what you have said is almost exactly what they say…same with the Koran…
 
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The book of mormon and the koran are not from God, they contradict the Bible and were no doubt demonically inspired.

God convicts as to His true word.

The Mormons claim a ‘burning in the bosom’ which is not at all what I have said, or what the Bible teaches. The muslims do not believe in God the Holy Spirit at all. The Holy Spirit convicts the sinner of the truth of the Gospel and of their sin. He bears witness to God’s word, the Holy Bible.

The world hates the Bible as it condemns mankind as sinful, and as deserving of eternal hellfire. However, salvation is offered through the Lord Jesus Christ and His redemptive work.
 
God convicts as to His true word.

The Mormons claim a ‘burning in the bosom’ which is not at all what I have said, or what the Bible teaches. The muslims do not believe in God the Holy Spirit at all. Their religious texts are not from God, they contradict the Bible and were no doubt demonically inspired.

The world hates the Bible as it condemns mankind as sinful, and as deserving of eternal hellfire. However, salvation is offered through the Lord Jesus Christ and His redemptive work.
but that is the problem with your post. The other two groups I mentioned feel just as “convicted”. As do people in EVERY denomination. So…what makes you right? just a feeling of conviction? Again, join the plethora of people just as convicted as you
 
but that is the problem with your post. The other two groups I mentioned feel just as “convicted”. As do people in EVERY denomination. So…what makes you right? just a feeling of conviction? Again, join the plethora of people just as convicted as you
My point is they are not convicted by the Holy Spirit into believing a false gospel, false Jesus, false book etc. If what they believe is contrary to Scripture, they are not of the Triune Biblical God.
 
My point is they are not convicted by the Holy Spirit into believing a false gospel, false Jesus, false book etc. If what they believe is contrary to Scripture, they are not of the Triune Biblical God.
Since you are convinced of the rightness of the KJV, what version would you recommend for non-English speakers?
 
My point is they are not convicted by the Holy Spirit into believing a false gospel, false Jesus, false book etc. If what they believe is contrary to Scripture, they are not of the Triune Biblical God.
Again, that is the problem with your post. Even if you exclude groups you judge do not use the Holy Spirit, there are thousands of other denominations just as convicted as you are, but believe differently.

So, what makes you right and all of them wrong? Is their conviction not as good as yours?
 
Deborah 12: You say that the KJV is the true Bible so do you mean that all other translations of the Bible are not true?
 
Again, that is the problem with your post. Even if you exclude groups you judge do not use the Holy Spirit, there are thousands of other denominations just as convicted as you are, but believe differently.

So, what makes you right and all of them wrong? Is their conviction not as good as yours?
It depends what you mean by believe differently. It comes down to the Bible. A saved born again person has believed the true Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. That Jesus Christ was God and man, that He was the atoning sacrifice for sin, that His blood cleanses sin, that He was buried and was resurrected the third day, and faith in Christ and what He has done is the moment God saves the person and they are regenerated with a new nature:

‘For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:’ 1 Corinthians 15:3-4

‘In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:’ Colossians 1:14

‘…Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved,…’ Acts 16:31

For example, there have been many baptist churches, especially in the past, which have stood for the true God, Christ and Gospel, but believers can still differ over less fundamental issues.

A religion that denies the true Jesus Christ and His Gospel of salvation is a false religion.
 
Deborah 12: You say that the KJV is the true Bible so do you mean that all other translations of the Bible are not true?
I believe there have been good translations in other languages but I’m not knowledgable at all on the subject. I believe there is a perfection to the King James Bible and that God has used it abundantly over the centuries since it was translated.

My main problem is with the modern translations, for example, the NIV, NASV, RV, etc. They are translated from corrupt manuscripts and are corruptions of the Bible. I believe they are dead books and are not of God. They attack the deity of Christ, the Trinity, the Gospel of faith alone in Christ alone. Some of the changes are blatant verse deletions etc, others are more subtle. Any altering of God’s word is abominable.

I believe saved believers should use the King James Bible, not these new versions.
 
It depends what you mean by believe differently. It comes down to the Bible. A saved born again person has believed the true Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. That Jesus Christ was God and man, that He was the atoning sacrifice for sin, that His blood cleanses sin, that He was buried and was resurrected the third day, and faith in Christ and what He has done is the moment God saves the person and they are regenerated with a new nature:

‘For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:’ 1 Corinthians 15:3-4

‘In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:’ Colossians 1:14

‘…Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved,…’ Acts 16:31

For example, there have been many baptist churches, especially in the past, which have stood for the true God, Christ and Gospel, but believers can still differ over less fundamental issues.

A religion that denies the true Jesus Christ and His Gospel of salvation is a false religion.
you have not answered my question. Do you believe your conviction is better than those who believe differently than you?
 
A true King James Bible does not include any of the apocryphal books.
You mean: an altered and modified King James Version.

Do you know the history in the removal of the deuterocanonical books from the Original KJV?

Since that question is related to the OP.
 
you have not answered my question. Do you believe your conviction is better than those who believe differently than you?
I believe my conviction is of the Holy Ghost as I believe the true Gospel of Christ according to Scripture, am born again, I have a new spirit and nature which is a work of God and that God dwells in me and I can have fellowship with, and know, the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. You can believe what I say or not, but that is my testimony, that I am saved by faith alone in Jesus Christ, His atoning sacrificial death for my sins, His shed blood that cleanses all my past, present and future sin, His burial and His resurrection.

I believe anyone who denies Jesus Christ and His true Gospel is led by a false spirit that is not of God and any claim they make of ‘conviction’ is not of God.

I believe therefore that the conviction I have comes truly and directly from God and from the Scripture that God uses. Anyone contradicting God’s word cannot have God’s conviction. It is not about me being ‘better’, but about what the truth is. Everything must be checked in light of Scripture - to be guided by one’s feelings can be very dangerous. The conviction I speak of does not come from me, it is not my ‘feelings’, but God’s conviction.

I have been convicted of my sin, my deservingness of eternal hellfire, and have placed my faith in Jesus Christ and His redemptive work. God promises to save anyone who believes on His Son. To have this conviction of sin and hell it must come from God, the Bible teaches that man is self-righteous and is blind to their own sin nature and the punishment that is justly deserved for sin. Only God can convict a person of this and the saving grace of Jesus Christ. Without God’s conviction, people believe they are basically good and can work their way into heaven, and they wouldn’t admit they deserve hell! No works can save us - sin is the issue and the only thing that takes away sin is the blood of Jesus Christ - God’s own blood. Good works cannot take away sin. To believe on the Saviour takes a humbling which most people will not do - they resist the conviction of the Holy Ghost:

‘For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.’ John 3:20

‘There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.’ Romans 3:11

‘And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.’ Matthew 5:30

‘But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.’ James 4:6

‘For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.’ Ephesians 2:8-9

I believe people are deceived by the world’s false religions (which all teach a system of faith and works) which satan is behind:

‘There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.’ Proverbs 16:25

‘In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.’ 2 Corinthians 4:4
 
It depends what you mean by believe differently. It comes down to the Bible. A saved born again person has believed the true Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. That Jesus Christ was God and man, that He was the atoning sacrifice for sin, that His blood cleanses sin, that He was buried and was resurrected the third day, and faith in Christ and what He has done is the moment God saves the person and they are regenerated with a new nature:

‘For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:’ 1 Corinthians 15:3-4

‘In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:’ Colossians 1:14

‘…Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved,…’ Acts 16:31

For example, there have been many baptist churches, especially in the past, which have stood for the true God, Christ and Gospel, but believers can still differ over less fundamental issues.

A religion that denies the true Jesus Christ and His Gospel of salvation is a false religion.
If the Catholic Church was false then how or why did it reproduce and protect the bible for over a 1000 years as your church didn’t exist also the king James isn’t even the first English bible douay rhiems is
 
If the Catholic Church was false then how or why did it reproduce and protect the bible for over a 1000 years as your church didn’t exist also the king James isn’t even the first English bible douay rhiems is
The Douay Rheims was not the first English bible. One was done in the 14th century by the followers of John Wycliff. Even at the time of the Reformation it was not the first. The Geneva Bible was in 1560 and there were several versions used in England before it.
 
And still it is our Lord Jesus Christ who says:

[bibledrb]Luke 10:16[/bibledrb]

Indeed it is true that if one rejects those who Christ sent to establish His Church, they reject Christ, and if one rejects Christ, one rejects the Father.

For the Lord gave us His body, that is the Church, that is **the **pillar and ground of the truth.

[bibledrb]1 Timothy 3:15[/bibledrb]

[bibledrb]Ephesians 3:21[/bibledrb]
 
The Douay Rheims was not the first English bible. One was done in the 14th century by the followers of John Wycliff. Even at the time of the Reformation it was not the first. The Geneva Bible was in 1560 and there were several versions used in England before it.
A- English as we know it in the 1300’s if you said the words darth vadar it would be clear you where talking about someone’s father

B- I am fairly sure those other bibles have Herectical anti authority translations that any good Protestant wouldn’t want to use

So in conclusion yes as our modern language goes the douay rhiems is the first English bible I will also add that the 1611 kjv had all the books included since the Anglican Church published it and Martin Luther wasn’t able to take his knife to the bible removing 7 books
 
I believe my conviction is of the Holy Ghost as I believe the true Gospel of Christ according to Scripture, am born again, I have a new spirit and nature which is a work of God and that God dwells in me and I can have fellowship with, and know, the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

That STILL does not answer my question. I am not sure why you are dodging the question, but I have asked it specifically several times. How do you know that your “conviction” is better or more correct than the conviction of anyone else?

You can believe what I say or not, but that is my testimony, that I am saved by faith alone in Jesus Christ, His atoning sacrificial death for my sins, His shed blood that cleanses all my past, present and future sin, His burial and His resurrection.

It is not a matter of believing you or not. That has nothing to do with the question you keep dodging. I am certain that YOU believe you are saved, though, according to Paul, being “saved” is an ongoing process. It does not just happen by saying, “I believe”

I believe anyone who denies Jesus Christ and His true Gospel is led by a false spirit that is not of God and any claim they make of ‘conviction’ is not of God.

Again, nothing to do with my question that you keep dodging. I said nothing about denying Christ.

I believe therefore that the conviction I have comes truly and directly from God and from the Scripture that God uses.

And you believe that God sits up there and reds the KJV? Does He use the version before the 7 books of the OT were removed by Luther?

Anyone contradicting God’s word cannot have God’s conviction.

Again, that evades my question. I have asked a specific question about other Christians who believe differently than you and use a different version than you. How is your conviction better and more correct than theirs?

No works can save us - sin is the issue and the only thing that takes away sin is the blood of Jesus Christ - God’s own blood. Good works cannot take away sin. To believe on the Saviour takes a humbling which most people will not do - they resist the conviction of the Holy Ghost:

So, then the KJV is wrong when it says that “faith without works is dead”?

‘For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.’ Ephesians 2:8-9

Matthew (KJV) 16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

hmmmmm

I believe people are deceived by the world’s false religions (which all teach a system of faith and works) which satan is behind:

Really? Even though James is very clear that Faith AND works are required?

(KJV) James 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

(KJV)Roman 2:2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Now, maybe you can answer my question…finally…
 
Jesus is talking about if someone sins against you. Both Augustine and Chrysostom indicate the aggrieved person does the binding and loosing.

Augustine (Homilies on the Gospels, Homily 32, Paragraph 7)
ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf106.vii.xxxiv.html

Chrysostom is even clearer.

John Chrysostom (Homilies on Matthew, Homily 60)
ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf110.iii.LVII.html
I think you’re getting confused by the “Olde English” translation.
It doesn’t say what you claim it says.
 
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