How do protestants say angels get to heaven?

[06convert]

For Catholics you are saved by grace. This is true for angels and humans.

For Protestants you are saved by faith. Is this true for both angels and humans?

 

[Agape_Thom]

I am not a theologian, so I cannot give you a definitive answer. But, as a Christian, i believe that angelic creatures fall into two broad categoris: those whom Satan drew away from God, and those who remained faithful to God. Those who remained faithful have never sinned and therefore not in need of salvation. Satan and his demons, to my understanding, are beyond salvation.

 

[06convert]

The CCC seems to say angels can sin. Do protestants think that?

311 Angels and men, as intelligent and free creatures, have to journey toward their ultimate destinies by their free choice and preferential love. They can therefore go astray. Indeed, they have sinned. Thus has moral evil, incommensurably more harmful than physical evil, entered the world. God is in no way, directly or indirectly, the cause of moral evil. He permits it, however, because he respects the freedom of his creatures and, mysteriously, knows how to derive good from it:

For almighty God. . ., because he is supremely good, would never allow any evil whatsoever to exist in his works if he were not so all-powerful and good as to cause good to emerge from evil itself.

 

[Katholish]

For Catholics you are saved by grace. This is true for angels and humans.

For Protestants you are saved by faith. Is this true for both angels and humans?

Protestants believe in salvation by grace as well. You sort of have a false dichotomy there.

 

[Agape_Thom]

The CCC seems to say angels can sin. Do protestants think that?

311 Angels and men, as intelligent and free creatures, have to journey toward their ultimate destinies by their free choice and preferential love. They can therefore go astray. Indeed, they have sinned. Thus has moral evil, incommensurably more harmful than physical evil, entered the world. God is in no way, directly or indirectly, the cause of moral evil. He permits it, however, because he respects the freedom of his creatures and, mysteriously, knows how to derive good from it:

For almighty God. . ., because he is supremely good, would never allow any evil whatsoever to exist in his works if he were not so all-powerful and good as to cause good to emerge from evil itself.

Angels can, indeed, sin. Satan and his demons are unrepentant sinning angels. However, there is no eveidence that the angels that remain in the presence of the Almighty have ever erred. Therfore, any sentient creature, including angels, that has not sinned, is in no need of salvation. What have they to be saved from?

 

[Katholish]

Angels can, indeed, sin. Satan and his demons are unrepentant sinning angels. However, there is no eveidence that the angels that remain in the presence of the Almighty have ever erred. Therfore, any sentient creature, including angels, that has not sinned, is in no need of salvation. What have they to be saved from?

I assume you would qualify that statement allowing for inherited sin? Mankind has Original Sin and is hence each individual is in need of Salvation even if they have not personally committed sin.

 

[James_S_Saint]

Practice,
practice,
practice.

 

[Agape_Thom]

I assume you would qualify that statement allowing for inherited sin? Mankind has Original Sin and is hence each individual is in need of Salvation even if they have not personally committed sin.

I agree. Scripture teaches the concept of original sin quite clearly. This, of course, applies to the human race, a race of physical/spiritual beings. The angelic race, if it can be called a race, is strictly spiritual. The rules that God has applied to the human race are not necessrily the same rules to which angels are accountable. It seems likely that since not all the angels God created sided with Satan, that Satan’s sin was individual in nature and consequence. Therefore, those angels that did not follow Satan never sinned, thus they had/have no need for salvation. It would be the same for the human race if Adam and Eve had just left that “apple” on the tree!

 

[DihydrogenOxide]

Angels did not need to be saved. Angels were given a choice to serve or not to serve before they were given the beatific vision. The angels in hell chose to serve a creature, the angels in heaven chose to serve the Creator. There was no saving.

 

[chichizola]

My understanding of Angels is that these are beings out of the time-existence. In this sense, upon creation they make their choice, to follow God or not. This is why satan condemned himself for eternity upon deciding not to follow God.

Therefore, Angels don’t get to heaven, they are there. The others (satan and followers) are not. What Angels can do, by mandate of God, is to insert themselves in our time in order to follow God’s wishes.

On the other hand, we live tied to a timeline, therefore we can sin, repent, sin again, and repent again. Finally, by the Grace of God and in a very minor way our labors, we can go to heaven. Upon dead, the our ties to a time line is broken, this is why this lifetime is our chance to do what is necessary to by Grace of God obtain heaven.

Live Jesus!

May God Bless you.

 

[06convert]

Protestants believe in salvation by grace as well. You sort of have a false dichotomy there.

Dichotomy. . Nice word. (no sarcasm, I just love great words ) It’s possible that I do have a incorrect dichotomy.

I was under the impression that protestants believe that they are saved by grace . But their salvation is through faith alone. Is that incorrect?

 

[Katholish]

Dichotomy. . Nice word. (no sarcasm, I just love great words ) It’s possible that I do have a incorrect dichotomy.

I was under the impression that protestants believe that they are saved by grace . But their salvation is through faith alone. Is that incorrect?

The part about Faith alone is correct. I just wanted to clarifiy that they belief is not inconsistent with Salvation by grace but is rather opposed to the notion of good works. I had thought you were setting those two in opposition, but from your clarification, it appears that was not your intention.

 

[Earnest_Bunbury]

If the fallen angels cannot be saved, then the non-fallen angels must be “confirmed in grace” and cannot fall. This ties in with the mystical writings of Mary of Agreda as to the beginning of creation given to her by the Virgin Mary in the book “Mystical City of God”.

In it the angels were given a series of interior revelations to ponder starting immediately after being created, the last being of the Incarnation and of the most perfect created being, Mary. This was for Satan “beneath his dignity” and being the angel most elegantly created, he would not serve the Man-God and the Queen of Heaven.

Millions or billions(?) of pure spirit beings of various levels in the hierarchy of existence battling over truth, love, the Creator, humility, dignity, etc, etc, etc… Sounds familiar. I can relate, if only in a minimal sense.

Angels in this sense were saved by faith as they did not see God but were only given a sense of Him. The graces given to them allowed them to come to their correct decision. Their lack of faith led to a lack of grace and a spiraling down into further blasphemies egged on by the devil’s pride. St. Michael the Archangel led the opposition to pride with his “Who is like unto God?” sealing his, the other angels, as well as the demons fate.

Graces are so important to a circumspect battle with pride, the beginning of all sin. Being “led into temptation” by the obstinate refusal of graces, as Jesus says He gives in super abundance in the diary of St. Faustina, is seen in the descent into sin we experience as opposed to: 2 Corinthians 3:18 “But we all beholding the glory of the Lord with open face, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, as by the Spirit of the Lord”.