How do the Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholic faiths differ?

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Seamus_L said:
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                   I believe it goes further than that. I've been told by Greek Orthodox friends, that a woman is not even supposed to enter church during her menstrual cycle,
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No such rule. But I take no responsibility for goofs with odd ideas.
and that for a period after child birth (40 days ?) is not to enter church either.
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The mother is churched with the child on the fortieth day and then baptized. The churching is stilll on the Latin books, I believe, but in disuse. The ceremony is to bring the child in the parish, and the mother to resume parish life post-partum. The not entering Church comes from she is not supposed to go anywhere for 40 days but stay home with the child. I did hear a Latin priest on EWTN who did connect churching with the perpetuation of sin, but no Orthodox priest (not denying, however, that no priest ever said it. I take no responsibility for goofs).
 
Seamus_L said:
Isa
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                   I believe it goes further than that. I've been told by Greek Orthodox friends, that a woman is not even supposed to enter church during her menstrual cycle, and that for a period after child birth (40 days ?) is not to enter church either.
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No. This bleeding and females topic is overplayed and
was an internet phenomenon about a year ago, and
it spread like crazy and a lot of people thought this
was true, and guess what, it’s not.
Taking communion if you are “oozing” blood? If you were “oozing blood” you’d be in the hospital and chances are the priest would be visiting you shortly, and hopefully in time to give you communion.
If you have a cut and have a bandage you can get communion, I’ve never heard contrary.
Yes, there is a practice to have women stay out of the church for
40 days, and then have the baby baptised and the mother
churched.
 
Churching after 40 days is not a difference between the Eastern Catholics and Eastern Orthodox.
mgy100 said:
No. This bleeding and females topic is overplayed and
was an internet phenomenon about a year ago, and
it spread like crazy and a lot of people thought this
was true, and guess what, it’s not.
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I know of a canonical Orthodox church where menstruating women do not commune. I do not know if this is self-imposed, encouraged by the clergy, or directed/taught as fact. It is true, though.
 
Woodstock said:
Churching after 40 days is not a difference between the Eastern Catholics and Eastern Orthodox.

I know of a canonical Orthodox church where menstruating women do not commune. I do not know if this is self-imposed, encouraged by the clergy, or directed/taught as fact. It is true, though.
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it still isn’t an official practice,. It cropped up somewhere on the internet and I have no clue why some people decided to run with it.
 
VARC said:
Do Eastern Catholics believe in papal infallibility?

Please excuse my ignorance. I am a Catholic of the Latin rite and for me to even doubt this is a mortal sin that will damn me if I don’t repent. Does the Pope demand the same assent to this dogma of eastern catholics as he does of latin catholics?
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Can any body answer this question? I’m going to guess and say that they don’t believe in papal infallibility. Am I wrong?
 
mgy100 said:
Start another thread on this.
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I will. I thought that my question was within the bounds of the thread topic: How do the Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholic faiths differ? My apologies.
 
Seamus_L said:
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                   I believe it goes further than that. I've been told by Greek Orthodox friends, that a woman is not even supposed to enter church during her menstrual cycle, and that for a period after child birth (40 days ?) is not to enter church either.
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The Eastern Church was accused of this at the time of schism. If you read the Papal Bull, this is one of the reasons. I don’t believe it was true…

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius:cool:
 
Does anyone have a link to a reputable site that gives a thorough explanation of the Orthodox teaching on the issue of blood, menstrual cycle, childbirth etc and the receiving of Holy Communion ?
 
The reason Eastern Catholic are Eastern CATHOLICS is because they do believe the exact same things as Latin Catholics. All Catholics have the one same and True faith. There is only one Cathecism of the Catholic Church, no matter what rite you are in. We express our faith differently but we all have the same faith. This is not like the “orthodox” of the Constontinople or Oriental kind. They are not Catholic and indeed would not be allowed to be Catholic even if they all suddenly showed up at church wanting to join. The reason is because they do not believe the exact same things as Catholics. Right now, Catholicism and orthodoxy are not reconsilable. This may change in the future. There is far less work to do with them to get them to be Catholic then for the conspiricy theory protestants but there is till work to be done to their faith non the less. That is why all Latins should give our Eastern Catholic brothers and sisters every support we can. Orthodoxy will reject the Latin rite out of hand because they forged and modified the cannons of the 5th and 6th councils but the Eastern Catholics they will not reject for this reason and some of the orthodox can be saved in this way.
 
Magicsilence said:
I would hazard a guess that this question is certainly one which a number of Latin posters are searching for the answer to, and I believe exploring the topic in detail will help both sides better understand the sometimes strong natured posts that result on both sides.

For clarity, it would help if those answering could be highly specific rather than point to vague theological constructs that add little to discussion.

How different is the faith of the (your) Eastern Catholic Church to that of its Orthodox counterpart? (Maronites aside :D) Please feel free to respond according to the Church to which you belong.

In Jesus Christ,
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The answer quite simply is Authority.

The Eastern Catholics are aligned with the Church of Rome and accept the Bishop of Rome as the Leader of the Universal Church.

The Orthodox do not.

Simple.
 
Claudius said:
This is not like the “orthodox” of the Constontinople or Oriental kind. They are not Catholic and indeed would not be allowed to be Catholic even if they all suddenly showed up at church wanting to join. The reason is because they do not believe the exact same things as Catholics.
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Actually, if they showed up in a Catholic church and asked to receive the Eucharist or Confession and absolution, they would be welcomed to the sacraments. They have a canonical right to do so, even. We share communion with them as they are, without any expectation of conversion, and the pope said the only thing they are lacking is unity with Rome. That’s what separates the Eastern Catholics from the Orthodox.
 
Claudius said:
The reason Eastern Catholic are Eastern CATHOLICS is because they do believe the exact same things as Latin Catholics.
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Sorry, wrong.

We believe the same dogma, but not all the doctrine is the same. Not even across the various Eastern Rites…

It is doctrinal within the Roman Church that Purgatory is a place of fire. It is not accepted in eastern theology.

Since the existence of Purgatory is dogmatic, but the nature of the place (other than being neither heaven nor hell) isn’t defined dogmatically, Eastern Catholics simply put purgatory as the place where most posthumous theosis occurs.

90% of what most Romans believe is dogma is merely doctrine. And doctrine is allowed to vary by church sui iuris.
 
Aramis said:
Sorry, wrong.

We believe the same dogma, but not all the doctrine is the same. Not even across the various Eastern Rites…

It is doctrinal within the Roman Church that Purgatory is a place of fire. It is not accepted in eastern theology.

Since the existence of Purgatory is dogmatic, but the nature of the place (other than being neither heaven nor hell) isn’t defined dogmatically, Eastern Catholics simply put purgatory as the place where most posthumous theosis occurs.

90% of what most Romans believe is dogma is merely doctrine. And doctrine is allowed to vary by church sui iuris.
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The bolded portion is true to a degree, but is a bit generalized. I personally was always taught that purgatory is a state where some sort of cleansing occurs, and that prayers can somehow benefit the souls in that state. I was never taught that purgatory was a place of fire, although I was taught that some people thought of it that way.
 
Fuerza said:
The bolded portion is true to a degree, but is a bit generalized. I personally was always taught that purgatory is a state where some sort of cleansing occurs, and that prayers can somehow benefit the souls in that state. I was never taught that purgatory was a place of fire, although I was taught that some people thought of it that way.
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I believe the Latin delegates attempted to push the doctrine of a Purgatory of literal fire on the Greeks…

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius:cool:
 
Alexius said:
I believe the Latin delegates attempted to push the doctrine of a Purgatory of literal fire on the Greeks…

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius:cool:
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That still doesn’t disprove my post. The specific nature of purgatory is not dogmatically defined and Catholics are just as free to accept a literal view of purgatorial fire as they are to reject it. Just as long as we accept the basic dogma, we are free to believe that purgatory is a place, a state, a fiery pit, an ice cave, a Barbra Streisand concert, etc…

If the Latins did try to force the literal view on the Greeks, it was out of stubbornness (Latin bishops are humans too, after all) and not because it was necessary for the Greeks’ salvation.
 
Mickey said:
That would be more like hell. 😃
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Hmmm…maybe the Catholic and Orthodox Churches could simply both scrap their current beliefs on prayer for the dead and adopt a common declaration that we pray to release souls from Barbra Streisand. There you have it, one more obstacle to reunion overcome. They should put me on one of those theological commission things.
 
Fuerza said:
Hmmm…maybe the Catholic and Orthodox Churches could simply both scrap their current beliefs on prayer for the dead and adopt a common declaration that we pray to release souls from Barbra Streisand. There you have it, one more obstacle to reunion overcome. They should put me on one of those theological commission things.
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