Have you heard any more complaints from me since the situation was made clear?
Nope. I was merely pointing out your hypocrisy in trying to claim the higher ground when some of us threw a few stones, while you were standing right there at the bottom of the hill just waiting to throw your stockpile of Molotov cocktails back at us.
My complaint originally was that I was met with an attitude that I had not arrived with, now I’m fully aware what to expect and, like Parker, I’m still here.
You came here claiming that it was by an innocent accident that you found this place on a google search, so having any expectations about what you might find was probably unrealistic from the get-go.
But let’s be clear, whatever face is put on it, however nicely it is dressed up, what we are effectively saying is that the other’s religion is that the other’s religion is the wrong one, is not Christ’s church, therefore will not lead to salvation and stripping the argument down to the absolute bones, that it must be a creation of the devil. Because there is no denying that that’s what any argument here boils down to. Whilst it may not be considered ‘good form’ to say this outright, its the ugly truth.
I’m all for putting all of our cards on the table. But most of the time, all we get from most LDS is vagueness and ambiguity about what they really believe. They go on and on, trying to foster their claim that we all believe in the ‘same things’ and think we should call them Christian for that reason, even though the opposite is true. It’s probably a good thing to have someone that would actually be willing to openly engage in meaningful and honest debate, as long as we keep the attacks on God in check, as well as insults directed at the Holy Eucharist, since that is also a direct insult and attack against God. This is a Catholic forum. You can deny belief in anything you want, but any insults against God or the Pope (who we believe stands in the place of Christ), just for the sake of being insulting, are not well tolerated by Catholics, here or anywhere else. “Honesty is the best policy.”, seems to be appropriate for this to work properly on both sides.
(in bold) See, that’s the biggest difference between Mormonism, Catholic and non-Catholic Christian faiths. We can always find basic similarities and a common thread between us and almost any Christian church, and accept them as ‘separated brethren’, because they really are. But with Mormonism, it’s an all or nothing proposition. What makes that the case is that Mormonism was expressly created to be in direct opposition to all of Christendom, because that’s exactly what Joseph Smith claimed God told him to do in his purported ‘visions’. If anyone needs more than a quick moment’s thought to evaluate what that really means about Mormonism, then they don’t really have their thinking caps on.
The entire premise of a ‘great apostasy’ was to appeal to uneducated, or poorly educated Christians that were all too willing to believe that the Catholic Church was false. It was necessary for Joseph Smith to base all of his writings and sermons on that false premise, because if the Catholic Church had been false from the time John the Apostle died, then all other Christian religions that came from it must also be false. The only other alternative for anyone that was willing to buy into that lie, would be Joseph Smith and Mormonism.
Consider, however, the
way points have been raised on this thread against LDS:
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I have a feeling I would get banned or at least warned if I suggested the same of the catholic Chatechism, or the Nicene creed, or anything else written since the content of the NT...
These do not read as points from a discussion, rather argumentative and offensive against us.
Your denial of the Catholic Catechism or the Nicene Creed really wouldn’t be much of a ban-able offense, since many non-Catholics believe the same thing. It’s not really seen as that big of deal as far as I know. So, you’re just making Mormon’s overreaction to our denial of your doctrines and beliefs even more hyperbolic. If we agreed on those things, we wouldn’t be here talking about it.
However, having looked back at these posts, and now I see them quoted, I realise it was really only one person I objected to in particular, others in general were much more reasonable: but given the volume of posts (and the no quotes within quotes issue already pointed out) I obviously had not kept very good track of who had actually said them. So I apologise to the others of you also for my attitude about it in the first place.
Just remember, everything you think about my beliefs, I probably think the same or similar about yours.
I have no doubt that that’s true. I’m just fine with that as long as you remember it, too.
