How Do Traditionalists Feel about Divine Mercy?

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ByzCath said:
First, let me start off that I am biased on this one.

I have a devotion to St Faustina and her message. I used to pray the chaplet on a very regular basis.

Private revelation can not be part of the deposit of faith by definition. How can something that is revealed privately be held as being required for our salvation?

Public revelation is the deposit of faith. It is divinely inspired.

The Church has never required any private revelation to be believed in. It only states that such are “worthy of belief” when it “approves” them.

Now they (in all the cases I am aware of) do nothing but affirm public revelation. So really, they are not necessary as they only serve to point back to it.
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Okay, thanks.
 
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AnneElliot said:
I like many aspects of Divine Mercy… but I do have some concerns about certain parts of St. Faustina’s Diary… for example, on pg. 168 (in my copy) there’s a giant X over the page and at the very bottom Our Lord supposedly tells St. Faustina “you will not be judged”. What does that mean?:confused: How can any soul NOT be judged?
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TrueLight said:
The only danger I see with Divine Mercy is when some people act as if EVERYONE will be saved eventually. I think that is a misunderstanding of what Saint Faustina meant.
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I meant specifically about the quote from St. Faustina’s Diary where it says that she will not be judged… I don’t know how many editions there are, but it’s on pg. 168 in my copy. There’s not much context to flesh out what exactly that means/what is meant by that statement.
 
AnneElliot said:
I meant specifically about the quote from St. Faustina’s Diary where it says that she will not be judged… I don’t know how many editions there are, but it’s on pg. 168 in my copy. There’s not much context to flesh out what exactly that means/what is meant by that statement.
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I looked in my copy and it is there.

It seems pretty straight forward to me.

Its a private message to her. I do not know the state of her soul at that moment.

I do know that she is in Heaven so what else is there to say about it?
 
ByzCath said:
I looked in my copy and it is there.

It seems pretty straight forward to me.

Its a private message to her. I do not know the state of her soul at that moment.

I do know that she is in Heaven so what else is there to say about it?
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Yes, but to get to Heaven her soul was judged. Maybe it’s just a poor translation… but it does not make sense to tell her she won’t be judged. 🤷
 
AnneElliot said:
I meant specifically about the quote from St. Faustina’s Diary where it says that she will not be judged… I don’t know how many editions there are, but it’s on pg. 168 in my copy. There’s not much context to flesh out what exactly that means/what is meant by that statement.
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The scriptures say things like “judge not lest ye be judged.” So “judge” can be understood two ways, traditionally: (1) to be judged in general (2) to be judged to condemnation.

St. Therese wrote a bit about this in her autobiography (a beautiful book), saying she did not judge others in order to avoid judgment herself completely, since if she were judged she didn’t think she merited a positive outcome. (My paraphrase of her words).

So if it was okay for St. Therese, it’s okay for St. Faustina. It doesn’t mean they don’t go through the particular judgment (which is dogma) but that they experience it as a confirmation of their being chosen as they elect, I suppose, rather than a frightful and uncertain (from the human point of view) trial.
 
Do you happen to know where that bit about judgement is in the autobiography of St. Therese? Or at least what it’s around? I’d like to compare.
 
AnneElliot said:
Do you happen to know where that bit about judgement is in the autobiography of St. Therese? Or at least what it’s around? I’d like to compare.
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She wrote: And it is the Lord, it is Jesus, Who is my judge. Therefore I will try always
to think leniently of others, that He may judge me leniently, or rather not at
all, since He says: “Judge not, and ye shall not be judged.”

It’s on page 98 of this pdf version of her book: catholicbible101.com/St.%20Therese%20Story%20of%20a%20soul.pdf
 
Thanks, newyorkcatholic.

I found it in my copy from TAN books (pg. 154)… I will have to ponder it a bit. Ironically, when I was flipping through my copy of “Story of Soul” I had a page marker on that page, so when I read it several years ago, I marked that page out of interest. However, my knee-jerk reaction is to notice that St. Therese is more clear about the meaning of those words than the passage from St. Faustina’s Diary. St. Faustina’s Diary says not to be afraid of judgement because she won’t be judged. St. Therese acknowledges that the Lord is her Judge and then replies with the passage from Gospel (“judge not…”) in relation to her relationship with another Sister in the convent.
 
floresco said:
I don’t have a problem with the Divine Mercy devotion. I see it as linked to the Sacred Heart which is very important to me.
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This. I also see these two devotions as being connected. My parish has a wonderful Divine Mercy celebratrion every year that includes a Holy Hour and Benediction - very traditional.
Of course I don’t have a problem with Bl JP II or the Luminous Mysteries either, so I may not be traditional enough to count. 😉
 
I’m a newbie and this is my first time praying the DM novena and chaplet, but when I read about it, I was drawn to it and like that it was something that many people would be participating in, so I decided to join. I also like the idea of a novena that was about asking God for something for others rather than myself. I need to research more about St. Faustina and her diaries before I make a statement about it, but those are the reasons I was drawn to pray it this week.
 
I am a Traditionalist leaning, newly baptized Catholic and FWIW, I don’t have a problem with Divine Mercy devotion.

What I don’t like is seeing on EWTN on the weekends “gospel” style singing of the Divine Mercy. :rolleyes:
 
T_More said:
I am a Traditionalist leaning, newly baptized Catholic and FWIW, I don’t have a problem with Divine Mercy devotion.

What I don’t like is seeing on EWTN on the weekends “gospel” style singing of the Divine Mercy. :rolleyes:
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LOL I agree. Too “performance” for me.
 
I have no problem with the Divine Mercy Chaplet.

But I do have an issue with the Divine Mercy Novena.

That is the Novena that is going on right now before the Second Sunday of Easter,

Paragraph 1209 of St Faustina’s Diary is where Jesus gives her this novena. It is addressed to her. In her diary she writes of the Chaplet and how “whoever will recite it will receive great mercy at the hour of death.” (687) So it appears that the Chaplet is for use by everyone but the novena does not have the same language about it.

From my reading it appears that this novena was to be used by St Faustina and not given to everyone to use.
 
ByzCath said:
I have no problem with the Divine Mercy Chaplet.

But I do have an issue with the Divine Mercy Novena.

That is the Novena that is going on right now before the Second Sunday of Easter,

Paragraph 1209 of St Faustina’s Diary is where Jesus gives her this novena. It is addressed to her. In her diary she writes of the Chaplet and how “whoever will recite it will receive great mercy at the hour of death.” (687) So it appears that the Chaplet is for use by everyone but the novena does not have the same language about it.

From my reading it appears that this novena was to be used by St Faustina and not given to everyone to use.
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There is an ambiguity there. Bl. John Paul decreed that it would be used by the Latin Church.

Just remembered something else. It’s like the novena to St. Maximilian Kolbe. Bl. John Paul decreed that it is to be said in Poland and every parish named St. Maximilian.

What can we say? Bl. John Paul loved his Polish saints. 🙂 No harm done.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
asd72 said:
It hasn’t so much changed as there are different artists which have painted the image also. The one above (the original) is my favourite too, The one that seems most popular now does have a certain bambi like quality to it and doesn’t appeal to me either.

You can also get ‘Jesus I trust in You’ in different lanuages from some sellers I believe. I am going for Latin.
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See forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=490316
 
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