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Kouyate42
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To my mind human law comes a very poor second to God’s Law. Church leaders NEED to speak up now.
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Warrenton
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Hi Glorious!
I second Wisdom’s sentiments here. The best way to combat an idea is often with another idea, as (I think!) Ben Hur said.
If you are a parent, discussing sexuality frankly with the children is best.
If you are a cleric, then preaching honestly is best.
For the rest of us, accurately discussing the issue when it comes up is best. As to individual homosexual acts, they are just sins like any other. Some people enjoy that sin, and so commit it with frequency, while others don’t. We need not fear people who commit these acts any more than we fear blasphemers (as an ex Navy man, that would be me, sadly), Protestants, Muslims, thieves, or someone who is too forward with his or her paramour. Even so called “gay spouses” need not arouse too much fear, if we recall that sexual conduct accounts for a small portion of any given day. After a certain number of years, sexuality within a relationship is chiefly theoretical, anyhow
The elevating of homosexuality to a zeitgeist, though, is every bit as ludicrous as overblown machismo, and this should be stated in response to any suggestion to the contrary. If sexuality were the great equalizer it is said to be, then one boggles how so many heterosexuals could possibly wage so many wars. Why didn’t Hitler just say to Stalin, “You like girls, I like Eva, why can’t we just get along?”
To reduce politics to sexuality is to degrade politics. With regards marriage, traditional Catholics should reject the secular state’s right to regulate it at all. The secular state respects marriage because it rules Christians, who practice the sacrament. I am rambling, but hopefully have at least sketched the outline of how I think the issue best responded to.
Cheers!
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johnq
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Agreed. Yet this must be said with extreme charity. If not, it will come across with pride and judgement.
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wald
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Not all Knights are doing a good job showing their Catholic faith.
lesfemmes-thetruth.blogspot.com/2011/07/same-sex-marriage-and-scandalous.html
davidlgray.info/blog/2011/07/catholic-tonight-the-two-swinging-gay-politicians-of-new-york-grisanti-and-alesi/
We need to pray that they wake up to what being Catholic means.
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TrueLight
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The gay marriage law goes into effect in NYC tomorrow.
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kotim
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The first thing you should do is write to your government and ask them for the statistics that they use when it comes to how many people are homosexual. Then write again preferably by another person and ask them the statistics they use or believe when it comes to sex offenders against those under the age of consent. You will find that their homosexual stats will come in somewhere between basically 1-10% depending on who they feel like quoting etc.
What you will find though is that their child abuse stats will come in at somewhere between 10 and 30% depending upon their agenda, with girls abused being a slightly higher number percentage wise than boys. When you have the stats you will see that homosexuals are basically between 10 and 50 times more likely to be a child sex offender than a heterosexual.
Why because the vast majority of boys being abused are abused by men. There is also an increase number of woman(lesbians) being reported for abusing girls. But either way you can put the stats to them in a way that they cannot deny the link.
Go and do up an affidavit(legal document for those who don’t know) and with the appropriate questions to the school principal etc ask him if he accepts full personal liability for abuse done by homosexuals knowing the stats are so heavily weighted in that direction. Remember you are using government stats which he either has to deny or accept and he ultimately will have to accept the stats that are given by government, unless he can prove them to be demonstrably wrong. Always better to have workers in the same organisation fighting each trying to avoid liability. Now go and study some law and you will find that you can trap them like rats.
Remember no one in government wants to accept liability because most people who work for the government don’t agree with many things the government does and will not in any way accept that liability.
I live in Queensland, Australia and where I live I unfortunately don’t have a catholic school to send my children to, but none the less the local schools NO LONGER put forward learning books about homosexual indoctrination, let’s leave it at that. You too can make a difference if you’re willing to speak up.
Remember all these different ideologies get a say because they speak up and get someone to introduce some sort of legislation that supports their ideology, well you can too, it ultimately depends upon how much time and effort one is willing to put in.
What you will find though is that their child abuse stats will come in at somewhere between 10 and 30% depending upon their agenda, with girls abused being a slightly higher number percentage wise than boys. When you have the stats you will see that homosexuals are basically between 10 and 50 times more likely to be a child sex offender than a heterosexual.
Why because the vast majority of boys being abused are abused by men. There is also an increase number of woman(lesbians) being reported for abusing girls. But either way you can put the stats to them in a way that they cannot deny the link.
Go and do up an affidavit(legal document for those who don’t know) and with the appropriate questions to the school principal etc ask him if he accepts full personal liability for abuse done by homosexuals knowing the stats are so heavily weighted in that direction. Remember you are using government stats which he either has to deny or accept and he ultimately will have to accept the stats that are given by government, unless he can prove them to be demonstrably wrong. Always better to have workers in the same organisation fighting each trying to avoid liability. Now go and study some law and you will find that you can trap them like rats.
Remember no one in government wants to accept liability because most people who work for the government don’t agree with many things the government does and will not in any way accept that liability.
I live in Queensland, Australia and where I live I unfortunately don’t have a catholic school to send my children to, but none the less the local schools NO LONGER put forward learning books about homosexual indoctrination, let’s leave it at that. You too can make a difference if you’re willing to speak up.
Remember all these different ideologies get a say because they speak up and get someone to introduce some sort of legislation that supports their ideology, well you can too, it ultimately depends upon how much time and effort one is willing to put in.
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Iotaunum
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This whole issue is like all the others prevalent in the Church today, and like the other problems we must speak out forcefully before it gets any worse. Traditionalists most likely are aware of the exhortations of the Saints, like that of Saint Catherine of Siena who said - “We have had enough of exhortations to be silent! Cry out with a hundred thousand tongues. I see that the world is rotten because of silence.” And indeed we can see the truth of this statement today. Silence is a deadly weapon against Truth, particularly when it exists among those who should be speaking out the most. This thread asks; “How do trads combat the gay agenda?” – well before I gave my view on how the “trads” that I know of do it, I want to give my thoughts on how the whole issue is handled by all Catholics, and how traditionalists differ somewhat.
The root of the problem (i.e. Catholics not defending Church teaching on the matter) lies mainly with the Bishops and Priests who handle the matter so badly themselves. Again, traditional Catholics will no doubt have heard the words of Pope Felix III, quoted in all contexts; “Not to oppose error is to approve it, and not to defend truth is to suppress it, and indeed to neglect to confound evil men when we can do it, is no less a sin than to encourage them.” This should sum up the attitude of all Catholics towards the whole homosexual/lesbian/transgender etc issue – particularly those most accountable for defending and propagating the faith. Numerous priests, in good standing with their Bishops, have celebrated Masses for homosexuals, and I don’t mean praying for their conversion. These Masses have been advertised quite often. Letters have been sent to the bishops in question, and thought most regret that they occurred; they do not denounce them nor punish the priests involved. This happens too many times, unfortunately. Also, I am sure traditionalists more than anyone are aware of the problems of seminaries which are rife with seminarians and priests/professors who, if not homosexual themselves, are clearly and openly promoting the gay agenda. When, honestly, is the last time you have heard bishops and priests preaching against it? Sure, there are some good priests and bishops who speak forcefully the mind and teaching of the Church, but they are far too few.
Clergy often, when pushed, will release a statement about how “disordered” and “un-natural” these acts are – they tip toe around the issue, afraid of offending, afraid of being politically incorrect, afraid of being up front, afraid of being behind the times. Openly practicing homosexuals and transgender people are not turned away from communion, even when the priest knows their state. They try to avoid the “scandal” of turning away someone based on their “sexual preferences” and yet they give great scandal to the Church and Christ, whom they represent. It is not unlike the pro abortion politicians.
So how do trads combat this? Well it begins with traditionally minded clergy, and then the faithful, following their direction and example. How will priest and layman alike give account to Christ for their silence when His law and teaching were under great attack and trapled underfoot. I will end with two more quotations from Pope St Pius V and Pope St Pius X: “All the evils of the world are due to lukewarm Catholics.” And “All the strength of Satan’s reign is due to the easygoing weakness of Catholics.”
(Also, please note that I am not accusing any particular Clergyman or Layman - my observations are general)
The root of the problem (i.e. Catholics not defending Church teaching on the matter) lies mainly with the Bishops and Priests who handle the matter so badly themselves. Again, traditional Catholics will no doubt have heard the words of Pope Felix III, quoted in all contexts; “Not to oppose error is to approve it, and not to defend truth is to suppress it, and indeed to neglect to confound evil men when we can do it, is no less a sin than to encourage them.” This should sum up the attitude of all Catholics towards the whole homosexual/lesbian/transgender etc issue – particularly those most accountable for defending and propagating the faith. Numerous priests, in good standing with their Bishops, have celebrated Masses for homosexuals, and I don’t mean praying for their conversion. These Masses have been advertised quite often. Letters have been sent to the bishops in question, and thought most regret that they occurred; they do not denounce them nor punish the priests involved. This happens too many times, unfortunately. Also, I am sure traditionalists more than anyone are aware of the problems of seminaries which are rife with seminarians and priests/professors who, if not homosexual themselves, are clearly and openly promoting the gay agenda. When, honestly, is the last time you have heard bishops and priests preaching against it? Sure, there are some good priests and bishops who speak forcefully the mind and teaching of the Church, but they are far too few.
Clergy often, when pushed, will release a statement about how “disordered” and “un-natural” these acts are – they tip toe around the issue, afraid of offending, afraid of being politically incorrect, afraid of being up front, afraid of being behind the times. Openly practicing homosexuals and transgender people are not turned away from communion, even when the priest knows their state. They try to avoid the “scandal” of turning away someone based on their “sexual preferences” and yet they give great scandal to the Church and Christ, whom they represent. It is not unlike the pro abortion politicians.
So how do trads combat this? Well it begins with traditionally minded clergy, and then the faithful, following their direction and example. How will priest and layman alike give account to Christ for their silence when His law and teaching were under great attack and trapled underfoot. I will end with two more quotations from Pope St Pius V and Pope St Pius X: “All the evils of the world are due to lukewarm Catholics.” And “All the strength of Satan’s reign is due to the easygoing weakness of Catholics.”
(Also, please note that I am not accusing any particular Clergyman or Layman - my observations are general)
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Poor_Soul
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I’m sorry but no I do not agree. Your actions wont have any effect without these whispers in the dark. One Mass is worth more than any of your good works. and is more powerful than anything you could do. If anything people arent praying enough but rather trusting in their own “power” to bring about a change that is not in their control.
Heck you might as well as spit on the sacrifices of all our religious brothers and sisters praying all day and everyday for the glory of God, the conversion of sinners and the well being of humanity. If it wasnt for their prayers this world would have been done with a long time ago.
Prayer is the greatest form of action you can take against the evil that exists and if you think otherwise well then your sadly mistaken.
**How often I failed in my duty to God, because I was not leaning on the strong pillar of prayer.–St. Teresa of Avila **
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LoyalViews
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That’s just bloody ignorantThe gay marriage law goes into effect in NYC tomorrow.
All the ads are killing me.
Manhattan Storage has an ad on the train that says
All those ads and comments are like a “na na na”.
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